Maybe one or more of these fine poeplw should contact Stern or JJ and fill them in on what's happening. Maybe one r both of them could exert a little pressure and spread a little goodwill in the community.

In texas he told me he used to keep them as wall hangars, but now they are piling up and he doesnt use them and would send me back mine when he was done. This was 3 months after he said he'd be done with it and 4 months from when it shipped and he revealed that he'd need to keep the original at least another 6 months for reference.

I've had my new playfield for 5 months and it still doesnt pass the fingernail test. Even if I installed it now he still has my plastics which he hasn't produced yet so I couldn't have a complete game anyways. Game has now been an empty box taking up space in my lineup for 14 months.

I wouldn’t suggest anyone commit a federal crime. Lol

yep, I would rather have the original.

What a class act you are Mirco. I'm running around the city try to get stuff done before everyone closes for the holidays. When I get home I'll look for your email to share it. Why the hell would I send a restored and cleared playfield and a complete plastic set for you to keep?! That was never the deal and you know it. You couldn't even scan the plastics a year later you douche!! Send me my property back like you should have done in April like you promised.

Would it be an idea to throw up a poll for Honestly how many people are waiting on Micro
with criteria?

It depends on the goal. For scanning the artwork, yes you want a perfect one.

For placement and sizing of holes/dimples, you want one that was actually used in a game, so the condition of the artwork doesn't matter. Things can change, might be adjusted, or corrections may have been made between an untouched NOS playfield (that was potentially rejected from the production line for some reason), and one that was actually on the production line and installed in a game. I can think of a couple of instances where dimples were placed on NOS playfields that weren't actually used for anything on production games, or where holes needed to be drilled, but dimples weren't originally there.

This is what always happens, perpetrator defends his actions and then the victims show email or text proof, this is a public forum and this won’t be good for Mircos reputation. Mirco you should just be a man of your word, have some integrity. I’m sure some people sent stuff with a deal to donate and never get back the items, others didn’t, my guess is you needed more people to share, no one would give the quality you needed until you promised a return of the original property and a reproduction for their troubles. To expect people to do this type of work for free while you line your pockets, disgusting.

Subtle, simple, and finesse!

Sent your old playfield or plastics and get a new one in return is a good deal to me!

I’m old enough to remember when pinball facts mattered...these days, emails, texts, personal testimonials...meaningless. Dude says opposite is true so I guess that makes it so.

I love how pinside rules go out the window under special circumstances

Yes there are some special agreements with some customers and yes, of course I will stick to them. In the quicksilver case, we had a special agreement as that was a redone playfield but so far plastics are ot finished. I will have them done in January so they are no longer needed. Usually the donor playfields aren't bad shape, very rarely they are nos or similar. The quicksilver one has completely off colors after the touch up. So usually it is not usable anymore. But that is only my opinion....

Regards,
Mirco

Oooo... you did come back!

I think this is a matter of the truth not production issues, Chris was supposed to get his items returned and did not, when he posted mircos response was they are donated and not returned, now it’s some have made special deals, thanks for at least admitting it. Now take a few more steps forward and finish doing what’s right. Have some integrity and start communicating with the collectors that helped you.

unlikely. it is more than just bad clear. the same adhesion issues are there as well

email sent about the stargate I sent in June of this year. Looking for a status update.

thanks

I would rather have the original playfield

Everyone please keep it civil, we don’t want the thread to get locked, Chris will be home tonight and post proof and meantime maybe others will get contacted so that mirco can rectify the issue.

And I may remind you there IS a time difference here of several hours, we're near 11 PM.

Unless you have no life (or like me sitting in night shift) you'd propably not be on pinside on a Friday night.

Damn poor mirco must have been stuck in this time difference for a few years now.

That is not what I was getting to and you know that.

heard American Pinball stopped using Mirco after they were rejecting playfields they felt were not acceptable and Mirco rejected their rejects, saying they were fine. The same person said that a some of the Houdini and all of the Oktoberfest playfields were done by the same company that does them for Spooky.

Of course I know

The fire bit was over the top. I have a friend that tells me that regularly which I've become immune to.
I really didn't wish it on him; but was still the wrong thing to write.

I still don't like his business practices or the fact that he regularly ghosts people. But If I could edit the comment; I would have.

He has to, by law.

Communication aside...

The question from reading all of this is:
ARE they "borrowed"?
(Or did people just not read their contract with him?)

Until this is cleared up (and even then) I'd advise to refrain from wishing people a horrible death.

It’s pinside...he’s already been called, pardon my French, “cocksucker”, threatened with a pipe, possibly lead containing, an arson threat isn’t stepping it up TOO much. Just the good ‘ol boys on here havin some keyboard justice, pinball style. Level heads, as always.

Well, based on the comments here, you guys won’t be buying JJP games in the future.

And we all know that this is 100% to be happening. *cough* *cough*

Ummmm. May want to see whom is making JJP playfields going forward?

Somebody else is making them now?

XD

Nah, I don't get pinside moderation consideration, I never will.

These are all comments that'd be even criminally liable (at least here) and the forum operators would be accountable for that.

In addition, that "good ‘ol boys on here havin some keyboard justice, pinball style" is why Stern, JJP, Deeproot and others stopped posting here.
I'd guess if the shitstorm around Rick & Morty and the people lamenting about their place in line (wich was absolutely obvious that they'd have to wait up to 18 months) won't stop, maybe Spooky'd be next.

That's a loss in my opinion.

Just got back from the city. Here's the email right before he stopped talking to me in September. I can post all of them with me constantly asking when I will get the originals back but it will be a lot of reading. This is not a case of a misunderstanding. He knew I expected a restored playfield that I depopulated the underside to ship off to him back.

Mirco it’s been 2 more weeks and I haven’t heard anything from you. You can easily have scanned them in a day or two yet I sit here with my thumb up my ass. You can at least respond to an email. When I 1st emailed you to ask about your free playfield offer for donating mine you told me I can expect the playfield and plastics back at the end of April. I have been more than patient waiting over the whole summer as I check everyday to no avail. I even offered to accept another repro in place of the original if you needed to keep it longer and not a peep from you. PLEASE SEND MY QUICKSILVER PLAYFIELD AND PLASTIC SET BACK TO ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cost me a second sale while waiting for you to keep your word. I’m at the point where I’m sorry I tried to help the community.

His response:

Hi Chris,

sorry but it is not my only thins of the day to work on the parts for a repro game. I have other more important projects right now.

First - you already got the replacement for the send in playfield. The deal is I keep the original, you get teh new one. Yes, you can have the other but I told you I might need it for a while if issue pop up. The plastic set is not in work schedule for the next few weeks. Sorry for that.

My response:

Woah the deal was never you keep the original. Up until now all of our communication referenced me getting both playfields back. Now all of a sudden you’re keeping the original?! You told me you would need it a little longer with the original playfield for reference not that I forfeited my original playfield. You told me 2 weeks ago you would scan my plastics now its set for the next 2 weeks? This is why I emailed all of these messages and didn’t call you so I would have a reference of our communication. I understand I’m not the only thing you have going on in your business but be professional and keep your word. I’ve been strung along enough already.

Good thing Mirco fully satisfied any and all questions and concerns while it was 9pm in Germany rather than let this thread fester overnight.

I’m just trying to get to the truth...were there terms and conditions other than what Mirco typed in the thread referenced above? Is there another post with different terms and conditions? If not, the conditions of the deal/trade seem very clear.

Mirco clearly states...”I will keep the used playfield for future reference.”

Am I missing something? Maybe there were special agreements made thru PM or email that Mirco is not honoring? Thanks in advance for any clarifications.

Ok, please Keep in mind I only write the following from a "legal" standpoint.

"This is not a case of a misunderstanding. He knew I expected a restored playfield"

One does not proof the other. He cleared that up in his answer:

"The deal is I keep the original, you get teh new one. Yes, you can have the other but..."

So he says that is is not the deal but he is willing to accomodate.

So everything hereafter does not matter.
What does matter is if he or you can proove what the deal was.

If that is "the deal" that was made you guys lost your case and take bake a lot of those allegations.

Noone did "steal" anything to begin with.

DS_Nadine is right...

Crispin needs to provide proof that Mirco was returning his original. Otherwise, that’s all we have at this point is what Mirco stated in their post from one year ago when they offered the deal/trade, which was that they were keeping the original in exchange for a new repro.

removed emails Mirco reached out and will send stuff back

A post on a pinball forum is not a contract.
I am guessing everyone that is sending parts and playfields has email correspondence which lays out the agreement.

If crispin says his agreement was the return of his original then it is safe to say that was the deal.

CRispin as reinforcement you should just provide the screenshots instead of a retype. Seeing those screens seals the deal (Ièm not trying to say you are lying) what I am saying is they are not refutable.

I agree...a post is not a contract. Maybe someone can provide correspondence where Mirco says the original playfield will be returned along with a new repro.

You have to read from bottom to top. (I may be wrong it's nearly 6AM now and my shift is over.)

Reading this the first time playfieldS are mentioned is in the holidays where they kinda miscommunicate.

So yeah, it's objectively kinda difficult without that phone call imho; I believe you of course.

It is a contract in the Moment you're agreeing by sending that stuff over.

Man, I was going to order a Barracora playfield from Mirco. I'd rather play on bare wood than give this con artist a dime. I hope everyone here will vote with their wallets. This is too small of a community to survive in if you do business in bad faith.

This seems simple to me...

Unless someone can provide something where Mirco says that they would be getting their original playfield back along with a new repro, it seems that the “donors” misunderstood “the deal”, made some assumptions, and Mirco has done nothing wrong.