Aren't the Sorcerer and Grand Lizard cabs the same except color? Nice pairing Kneissl/ Trilogy, that cabinet looks bad ass. You did an awesome job with it. Sorcerer is on my wish list, have had my eyes open for one for awile now.

Trilogy.... Where'd you get the playfield. Its absolutely beautiful.

I am pretty sure Stu is working on a Sorcerer playfield, but who knows when it will get done.

John, will you actually be producing playfields or doing direct ink on old playfields like you are doing now?

Doesn't John Greatwich do direct ink playfields? Just ask a few of the guys in this thread, they have them.

I will assume that the early production Sorcerer games featured a metal colored coin door? I am seeing both metal finish and black on these games. I am about to pick up a project Sorcerer to restore that has a black coin door. Doesn't matter to me really, but curious the history of this.

Picked up my Sorcerer project last Saturday.! Going for a full restore on this baby. Someone painted the whole cabinet black, but everything is there. Got this for $150. I am in the process of stripping the playfield down to send to John Greatwich. Hopefully I can count on some of the experts in this post for some guidance along the way.

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The guy I got this game from, had another nicer one and after playing his I realized this game is just as fun as I remember it as a kid. It was one of my favorites growing up. Very fast and a drain monster!

Playfield stripped and on its way to John Greatwich! Next getting started on the cabinet teardown.

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Anyone have any idea the correct legs for Sorcerer? Were they originally black or Chrome? I can't find anything that shows for sure what legs go on a system 9 game. Also, did anyone use the Stern leg protectors and the beefed up leg brackets for inside the cabinet?

Thanks, I figured that would probably be the way to go. I noticed that a few guys have black legs on the game now. It looks good, but wondering if that is how it came factory. Its funny because I want a set of leg for my Whirlwind also and Pinball lie doesn't list Whirlwind as a compatible game for system 11 legs. I know its a system 11c game, but I would think they would require the same legs. I am now wondering what the difference between system 11 and WPC legs are.

From what I can gather, they started the run with the Silver Coin Door and started to use the painted black ones for most of the rest of the run. Mine is black. I could be wrong on this though.

My playfield should be getting to John within a day or two an I am going to document my progress on this thread, but probably not in detail. I'm glad a couple other guys are doing this also so that we can help each other out. I have already starting accumulating parts. Gonna tear into the cabinet really soon here.

For anyone doing a full restore on this game, I just ordered a new set of plastics for mine from PPS yesterday. Pick one up asap if you need one so you are ensured of getting a set. Never know when they may become unobtainium.

Ok, so I am tearing down my cabinet now and am getting ready to buy a sander. I am curious, Kneissl and Trilogy what tools you used to sand the cabinet? This is my first cabinet restore and I am wavering between an air sander and electric. Are either good choices? There is a nice Rigid 6 inch orbital sander at my local home depot for around $100, but it seems there are not as many choices for 6 inch sandpaper. Is a 5 inch a better way to go?

Thanks vid and trilogy. One more question now, What is the minimum pressure you need to run air tools? I have a compressor, but am afraid that it isn't powerful enough to do the job. Its just a 150 psi, 33 gallon tank.

Thanks guys. I might start with an electric and do air down the road if I get more into this.

Cabinet and backbox have been pretty much stripped. I had not really noticed how much damage this game has attained over the years until I tore it down and really started looking. Apparently someone tried to break into this game as some point as the bottom where the metal piece was was just torn up on the edges.

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Someone spray painted the cabinet solid black and just for kicks my son and I lightly sanded a few spots just to see what we would find. I am not sure why anyone would cover up art that really probably wasn't all that bad in the first place. I am hoping this cabinet is not a lost cause as its pretty solid, but very rough and will need a huge amount of work. Hopefully with a little research I can fix it to where I don;t have any problems with it in the future.

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Trilogy, Funny thing is nothing is soft really. The depressions that appear in some of the under cab pics aren;t soft and I am pretty sure that the legs pressed that area in. The cabinet is very solid still, but you are right on the bottom the layers are starting to separate. With all of the money I am putting into the game I do not want to have a cabinet built. I know Vid had a site that sold pre-cut cabinets but when I went there they show themselves as closed for awile. Not even sure if they make a system 9 cabinet.

I got my plastics Monday. Mine came with Jelly Bellies!

Mof, Just make sure you take tons of pictures, I think it took me about 5-6 hours to do top and bottom. Not all that hard to take apart, but lets see if I can get it all back together.

John, this is great news. I know my Sorcerer playfield was not the blue version, but I love that blue, looks awesome! I cannot wait to get my playfield back and into my game!

I need these also if anyone knows where to get them.

I dig the blue, but in this color scheme I just don;t think it fits at all. Now if you were talking Funhouse or Whirlwind, then you'd have something.

I'll be getting my Sorcerer stencils as asoon as I get my cabinet ready. Still waiting on the PPS repro backglass. Not sure what happened to that. Was supposed to be out Dec/Jan.

Were these stickers put on the game from the factory or are these just an aftermarket mod?

As much as I would like to see this I was going to use the Britemods crystal looking pop caps. They fit the game pretty well.

Nice Paharoah! I want to pik this game up at some point. Cool as hell theme.

I believe he says that when you beat a high score.

I'll be ordering one of these very soon. Mine is flaking pretty badly. Now if John could just get my playfield done I will be set. Its been a long bumpy ride with my playfield. Someday maybe.

Love the stickers. I was going to use the jeweled brite cap covers on mine. Looks like they don't sell them anymore?

Consider yourself lucky mines been gone for about two years and a few months .

What? After waiting 2 1/2 years for my resto this is what I get? I sure hope CPR does Sorcerer playfields I've had a game completely torn down for two years and an overlay just doesn't cut it for me. Disappointing.

I don't want an overlay. I'm on the CPR list I've already waited 2+ years what's another at this point? I would however like my Playfield back. So how does this work John? You just keep my Playfield if I don't want an overlay?

I am on the interest list. I want this done. I wonder how many they have now.

I am on the pre order!!! Just added myself. Yeehaa!!! Now it's time to start working on the cabinet finally.

I joined the wait list for sorcerer and never got a confirmation email.

You should sell those protectors. I don't know of anyone that makes them. Id buy a set for my restore.

im not counting on seeing a CPR sorcerer Playfield for a long time. I'm on the preorder and have no Playfield now after the direct ink fiasco. If anyone has one restored or in restorable condition I'd love to find one.

I don't fault John, but I waited over two years to get my Playfield. I was in the first batch. The clear got ruined and he had to start over. On the second attempt he wasn't happy with the outcome. Redid again and the printer broke. What I wouldn't give to see CPR get this done soon. It's a pretty straight forward no frills field.

I got my plastics from Planetary Pinball. They look fantastic and so does their repro backglass. If CPR isn't going to do them soon I'd talk to planetary and see if they will run them? I remember that it was said that CPR did not run that batch.

This is my dilemma also. I have been waiting for years now. Atthis point I just want a playfield. Although CPR will charge $800 for theirs and Mirco may be $1K. Not sure I want to pay that much for this title.

Why do I have to sign in or create an account to see your pics?

Thank you didn't see that.

Its not shady at all. Mirco is forcing them to up their game and they did it at least with this title. I am not sure what Mirco has against them, but he seems content on destroying them. I just want a product out in a timely manner. This 2-5 year wait thing can't continue. Either way I'll opt for the Silk Screened version for mine.

Thats my plan. I'll take a silk screened playfield over the other option all day long.

Maybe cpr can chime in and explain which playfield was used. As stated above it was not unusual for many different companies to make playfields and for there to be several different outcomes where things didn’t always line up correctly. From what I can tell it looks like the photos of the old playfield has both holes being covered by one plastic post. You can see the circle from wheee it was and it looks like both holes weren’t used? I’d really like to see what you end up doing because I’m about to start my restoration with NO old playfield to work with at all. Mine has been sitting taken apart for over 5 years and I never ended up getting my old playfield back because cpr was doing a reprocessing and I was o. Their list.

Glad I went with a silk screened CPR playfield.

Micro deserves to be grilled. What a bad businessman he is. Won’t give refunds, tries to run others out of business, won’t admit mistakes. It’s always someone else’s problem with him. I am hesitant to ever do business with him because of things like this. When I’m paying 1k for a playfield I expect shit to be where it’s supposed to be. I’m just glad I grabbed a screen printed cpr. Too bad I have to get it recleared or risk getting chipped inserts from it not being totally level.

Mine doesn’t have a shim either. I’ve heard sorcerers run was split and had been updated as they went. The early run games have a steel coin door and the later black painted. They could have made other changes as they went. Not uncommon. Mine has a black coin door.

I seem to remember that the Micro Sorcerer playfields are inaccurate and have flipper gap problems?

I’ve been around this hobby for a LONG time and I’ve never seen a prototype sorcerer. Very cool. Snake plastics are very cool.

I got my Sorcerer backglass from Planetary Pinball and it’s amazing with real mirroring.