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Newbie to bulb sizes on Pinballs. Sorry to bring this up again. I saw this discussion five years ago but I am still having an issue and can’t seem to find an answer on the googly search. In the picture, on the left are the old bulbs from Sorcerer. #89 & 63. Clearly stamped. From what I’ve read there should only be 63’s in there. But as we all know. On a route you gotta use what you got so my thought is they put 89’s in because they had no 63’s. They were working though. Weeks ago I ordered LED 89’s for my Sega Harley Davidson which DOES call for 89’s and that single one in middle is what I was sent. They do work with the flashing effect. Only PB is stamped on it and no other markings. In the bag are “63’s” I ordered for Sorcerer which I was sent this week that look identical to the 89’s with no other markings but PB which I suppose just stands for Pin Ball. I think I was sent the #89’s again accidentally. The pictures on their website look to be different for each voltage size. Base is the same size as you know. Your thoughts please and also while I’m asking. Is there a website that officially gives a parts list for old pinball machines such as bulbs used and voltages plus other parts needed. And not word of mouth or just replace with what was in there because obviously this is not reliable enough. No hate here. Just trying to work this out and find a source so I don’t have to bug you guys all the time. Lol.
Thanks in advance.
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That kind of stuff is usually in the manual.
Quoted from supermoot:That kind of stuff is usually in the manual.
Do not have a manual. But on that point are there websites they have online pinball manuals ?
Quoted from I_pin_around:Do not have a manual. But on that point are there websites they have online pinball manuals ?
IPDB
https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=sorcerer&sortby=name&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#2242
Print it out, whoever does your tech will want it one day.
Quoted from I_pin_around:Newbie to bulb sizes on Pinballs. Sorry to bring this up again. I saw this discussion five years ago but I am still having an issue and can’t seem to find an answer on the googly search. In the picture, on the left are the old bulbs from Sorcerer. #89 & 63. Clearly stamped. From what I’ve read there should only be 63’s in there. But as we all know. On a route you gotta use what you got so my thought is they put 89’s in because they had no 63’s. They were working though. Weeks ago I ordered LED 89’s for my Sega Harley Davidson which DOES call for 89’s and that single one in middle is what I was sent. They do work with the flashing effect. Only PB is stamped on it and no other markings. In the bag are “63’s” I ordered for Sorcerer which I was sent this week that look identical to the 89’s with no other markings but PB which I suppose just stands for Pin Ball. I think I was sent the #89’s again accidentally. The pictures on their website look to be different for each voltage size. Base is the same size as you know. Your thoughts please and also while I’m asking. Is there a website that officially gives a parts list for old pinball machines such as bulbs used and voltages plus other parts needed. And not word of mouth or just replace with what was in there because obviously this is not reliable enough. No hate here. Just trying to work this out and find a source so I don’t have to bug you guys all the time. Lol.
Thanks in advance.
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#63 is a 7v bulb and #89 is 12v.
Quoted from DK:I've had my Sorcerer for a couple of months and it came with small issues that are now resolved. I am only getting the word "Master" and the Sorcerer's laugh for voice. I have a Rottendog 9211 board on it with new Sorcerer ROMs on the board. Does anyone know what I should be checking/swapping out to get more sounds?
Nothing?
according to rottendog you need custom roms "snip from there site below". Could the roms be incorrect or corrupted ?
The soundboard is not longer needed and incorporated in the new MPU board. Customs EPROMs are required for the System 9 games, which I can provide or you can make your own with the images I can provide. For all games, you must move over your (2) 6802 or 6808 processors
I am hoping to ask for a little help with a connector wiring issue. The Sorcerer game I recently acquired is in great condition, all except for a J3 connector on the power supply board. In the first photo, you can see how several of the "Red" wires have been cut (I have no idea why...) from the previous owner that need to be reconnected in the correct fashion. I included a photo of how the J3 connector should look, the question I have is which wires should I reconnect to one another? In the subsequent photos, you can see how the ends have been marked on the photo with letters A, B, C, D, E F, G1 & G2. The black wire on the connector is just fine and correctly passes thru the connector just like the other (3) red wires need to do. The G1-G2 red wire ends on the connector is meant to connect to one of the other ends I have marked B, C, D, and F (my guess is that the red wire G1-G2 would not connect to either the ends marked A or E as this would not appear to create the pass thru loop similar in fashion to the black wire). I used a continuity tester to verify the wire location points between the J3 connector cut wire ends and the end point else where in the wiring harness, see additional photos.
In short, what I am hoping for is possible guidance with which wires do I reconnect at the J3 connector, such as: D to G1, e.t.c.....
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Tonight's offering, 2nd on the board, Hopefully less ordinary
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Nice! My buddy holds #1 score on mine with 4M and I've been trying for years to break it. Can't get it. 7M is crazy.
I watched Peter Watt put a 7m plus game on my machine at Pinfest Newcastle in 2020.
Getting the bell and knocker going is definitely cool. My absolute favorite is getting 5x scoring in multiball with the spinners lit from sorcerer and just ripping spinners. Even better if someone is waiting for their turn.
Quoted from Snowman:Tested and is working good again.
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Get yourself a crimper tool and just replace those IDC connectors with Molex connectors with Trifurcon crimps. Much more reliable and a must for bullet proofing older pins especially on the 5v logic connectors. These crimpers handle the common 0.156 and 0.100 crimps you find in pinball machines.
https://www.amazon.com/HT-225D-Cycle-Ratchet-Crimping-interchangeable/dp/B007JLN93S
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Quoted from schwism:#63 is a 7v bulb and #89 is 12v.
How can I test that though. My trouble is not knowing what voltage the socket provides
Other than the manual, schematics, which I don’t know how to read. Also. I think the bulbs I was sent from a well known provider that rhymes with harpo, sent me the wrong bulbs. There are no markings on the bulb compared to bulbs from years ago that were labeled.
Quoted from I_pin_around:How can I test that though. My trouble is not knowing what voltage the socket provides
Other than the manual, schematics, which I don’t know how to read. Also. I think the bulbs I was sent from a well known provider that rhymes with harpo, sent me the wrong bulbs. There are no markings on the bulb compared to bulbs from years ago that were labeled.
I think either bulb will work?? The 89's just won't be as bright and the 63's. You need to get a multimeter if you're going to own pinball machines and learn to measure voltage and resistance and do continuity checks. Also solder wiring. Nice classic pin collection!! 
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Question about the two sockets in center. With new brighter led bulbs, is it even necessary for both sockets to be there ? My recent scare with coil noises has me concerned since I think what happened is one of the sockets was touching a target and it “shorted or grounded out” a coil. Can one of these be eliminated? And should I just use my common sense of wiring to do it or does it need to be done a certain way?
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Hello fellow Sorcerers... I'm looking for a set of the clear in lane flipper guides. I recently picked up a sorcerer and these are missing. I have the stainless ones, just need the clear plastic ones for on top.
Thanks!
My gi had been looking dim. I see why, the power connector was toast. My power supple has the additional 4 wire power connector. I believe I can use two of the 4 and make a new connection? It’s a pinscore power supply
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I recently got a sorcerer with a lot of potential but needs work. It has a new Mirco playfield however the guy that installed it did a less than stellar job. So I stripped it and had my buddy clear coat it. I’m reassembling now and just realized I don’t know how the braid goes for the pop bumper lights.
Does anyone have clear shots of the pop bumper lights wiring on bottom of playfield? Otherwise it’s going back together nicely.
I’m having a pinball birthday party in a couple weeks and I’m trying to get this done in time.
Thanks everyone.
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Quoted from Chisel:I recently got a sorcerer with a lot of potential but needs work. It has a new Mirco playfield however the guy that installed it did a less than stellar job. So I stripped it and had my buddy clear coat it. I’m reassembling now and just realized I don’t know how the braid goes for the pop bumper lights.
Does anyone have clear shots of the pop bumper lights wiring on bottom of playfield? Otherwise it’s going back together nicely.
I’m having a pinball birthday party in a couple weeks and I’m trying to get this done in time.
Thanks everyone.
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So what did the last guy do to the clear coat??
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:So what did the last guy do to the clear coat??
He didn’t do anything to the clear but the assembly was just horrible and incomplete. He never got to play it. It was bad enough that I couldn’t in good conscience just push forward on top of his work. Also the inserts were shifting. I figured if I’m stripping it to reassemble why not fix those inserts and get a good coat or three of clear on it.
Wow!
That's Mirco repro playfields for you. Good choice in correcting things! Good luck!!
My Sorcerer CRP repro is solid! Going to install it next winter.
Quoted from Chisel:I recently got a sorcerer with a lot of potential but needs work. It has a new Mirco playfield however the guy that installed it did a less than stellar job. So I stripped it and had my buddy clear coat it. I’m reassembling now and just realized I don’t know how the braid goes for the pop bumper lights.
Does anyone have clear shots of the pop bumper lights wiring on bottom of playfield? Otherwise it’s going back together nicely.
I’m having a pinball birthday party in a couple weeks and I’m trying to get this done in time.
Thanks everyone.
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Lucky for you, I kept most of my tear down pictures...
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Eaux Claires
Quoted from uncivil_engineer:Lucky for you, I kept most of my tear down pictures...
Perfect!!! Thank you!
Quoted from LorenZ:hello I'm in the club but my playfield is awful :c
What is the best repro's one?
thanks for Ur help ^^
I would never by anything from Mirco. I'd rather bare wood. Got me on GnR, not getting me again.
Put a CPR playfield in mine and am quite happy with it. No major issues or misalignment had a few minor dimples in clear that would not polish out but once populated there not really noticeable 
Some of the dimples on back were not even close for proper placement but easily relocated.
Overall Its a good option, For the money the clear could/should have been better and the dimpling could have been corrected before production.
Aside from the Minor issues its a great Reproduction and you have Both versions to choose from. and of course it looks great imho.
Quoted from LorenZ:hello I'm in the club but my playfield is awful :c
What is the best repro's one?
thanks for Ur help ^^
CPR https://classicplayfields.com/shop/pinball-playfields/sorcerer/
I you want one, I'd grab it now before they sell out! Or you may be in for a loooooong wait!
Hey everyone, I'm wrapping up my playfield repop and I'm putting flasher bulbs on topside. Question, are these to be wired in series or parallel?
Thanks!
Quoted from Chisel:Can anyone show me a pic of what goes here? I’m almost done and it’s coming down to small details like this. [quoted image]
It looks to me like the hole closest to the post is for the metal ball guide ( it’s most forward attachment. ) the other looks like a stud post for the plastic
Quoted from topkat:It looks to me like the hole closest to the post is for the metal ball guide ( it’s most forward attachment. ) the other looks like a stud post for the plastic
I found it. It was a very short metal lane guide. Thanks for the point in the right direction!
Quoted from Chalkey:I had to drill 3 new holes for the left ball guide in my mirco
I just ordered a new set of Cliffys lane guides and I'm going to have to do the same thing. The left side is waaay too far away. The holes for the large metal shield on right side near the ramp kick out were off too. I got it installed but not easily.
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Quoted from Chalkey:Did sorcerer come with one of the plastic coin boxes or a metal one? Can someone post a pic of an example?
Mine had an off-white plastic box in it when I got it. I don't know if it was original. It looked more or less like this (with a metal handle):
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