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Vote: What is the hardest game to shop?


By sataneatscheese

9 months ago



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“What is the hardest game to shop?”

  • White Water 35 votes
    26%
  • Star Trek: TNG 27 votes
    20%
  • Twilight Zone 13 votes
    10%
  • Star Wars: Stern 1 vote
    1%
  • Demo Man 6 votes
    4%
  • Bay Watch 3 votes
    2%
  • Jurassic Park (DE) 2 votes
    1%
  • World Cup Soccer 6 votes
    4%
  • The Hobbit 3 votes
    2%
  • Dialed In 3 votes
    2%
  • Other 6 votes
    4%
  • Jokerz! 3 votes
    2%
  • Scared Stiff 0 votes
  • Bram Stokers Dracula 5 votes
    4%
  • Creature From The Black Lagoon 6 votes
    4%
  • Safe Cracker 3 votes
    2%
  • Banzai Run 4 votes
    3%
  • The Simpsons Pinball Party 1 vote
    1%
  • Elvis 0 votes
  • Airborne 0 votes
  • Pinball Magic 1 vote
    1%
  • Apollo 13 2 votes
    1%
  • Ripley's Believe It Or Not 0 votes
  • Blackwater 100 0 votes
  • Nip It 1 vote
    1%
  • Earthshaker 2 votes
    1%
  • Dirty Harry 0 votes
  • Batman Forever 1 vote
    1%
  • WWF Royal Rumble 0 votes

(134 votes)

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#1 9 months ago

I am in the middle of shopping out yet another game, a White Water. With the possible exception of my Star Trek TNG I cannot imagine a more difficult game to shop. Between the multiple ramps (7), fragile mountains, mini playfield, and optos it has been a royal pain.

What game do you feel is the most difficult to shop. I have put in a few based of personal experience and guesses from looking at machines.

I will add names to the poll as suggested.

#2 9 months ago

WhiteWater for sure!

#3 9 months ago

White Water is probably the winner, but I'm surprised not to see Jokerz! listed. That game is utter madness to shop if you want to do it properly... Three ramps, an upper PF all with tons of switches and lights attached to them; countless posts, 3 banks of drop targets, several saucers, several spinners... I know it's not the most popular game in the world, but sure is a bitch to shop

#4 9 months ago

Games I found surprisingly difficult to shop were:

Scared Stiff
BSD
TAF
CFTBL

Pretty easy:

TZ
NGG

Never shopped but heard were difficult:

Safe Cracker
Banzai Run

#5 9 months ago

White Water was the biggest pain in the ass for me. I would imagine Banzai would be more work.

#6 9 months ago

I haven't done many, but the toughest ones for me so far have been Simpson's and Elvis.

I have an Addams family coming up. Sucks to see it on the difficult list! LOL. Not that I didn't expect it

#7 9 months ago

Forgot Capcom.
Airborne is up there on the shit list.
Pinball Magic is a bitch, damn you Matra Magna.
But, White Water is in the top 1 or 2 for sure.

#8 9 months ago

Added a half dozen other options.

It is really interesting to see the results here. The games mentioned tend to be games I really like a lot. It looks like I like complicated games and am a gluton for punishment.

#9 9 months ago

Wh20 and bsd were not fun lol.

#10 9 months ago

It helps a person understand why some rubbers are as hard as a forgotten McDonalds french fry. Some machines are just downright ridiculous for rubber locations.

Quoted from shaundburch:

I have an Addams family coming up. Sucks to see it on the difficult list! LOL. Not that I didn't expect it

Under the ramp rubbers are the worst part of it. I'll still take it over The Hobbit anyday. Gawd that machine is the worst!

#11 9 months ago

Demolition man for sure , White water is not that hard

#14 9 months ago

Blackwater 100. Complete PITA. You drop one screw or nut, and it dissapears easily....

Later,
EV

#15 9 months ago

Demolition Man was a bitch to shop. I'd rather do 4 early Bally SS games than 1 Demo Man.

#16 9 months ago

Had a helleva time on my Nip It.

#17 9 months ago

Though WCS was no walk in the park, I'll also throw out there BF and RBION as royal pains in the ass.

#18 9 months ago

I honestly didn’t have a problem with my White Water. Everything seemed intuitive. You just need to be cognizant of the layers, that’s all.

Earthshaker was an absolute bear to strip down, and it gets my vote. Overlapping ramps, no “real” way to pull the playfield forward in the cabinet, and tons of hard to reach things.

I feel like Williams was building playfields with the complexity of WPC then, but didn’t have the experience yet to make things very serviceable.

#19 9 months ago

Whitewater not much of a problem for me either. There's a lot of stuff but it's amazingly not as intertwined as you'd think.
I put TZ from the list, but for me DH was the worst.

#20 9 months ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Whitewater not much of a problem for me either. There's a lot of stuff but it's amazingly not as intertwined as you'd think.
I put TZ from the list, but for me DH was the worst.

I'm working on one right now and it doesn't look that bad. Lots of ramps but just take one off at a time, take pics, and keep hardware in bags with notes on where they go. That said, I've haven't actually dug deep into it yet. Cool thing is it looks like you don't even have to remove upper pf to replace bulbs and rebuild flipper. Although it was a newer game, ST pro was the worse to work on for me. That had stacks of plastic and ramps which was difficult to figure out how things should come apart and go back together.

#21 9 months ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Forgot Capcom.
Airborne is up there on the shit list.
Pinball Magic is a bitch, damn you Matra Magna.
But, White Water is in the top 1 or 2 for sure.

Capcoms are easy. I'd vote dr who because pulling and repulling the mini pf.

#22 9 months ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

I'm working on one right now and it doesn't look that bad. Lots of ramps but just take one off at a time, take pics, and keep hardware in bags with notes on where they go. That said, I've haven't actually dug deep into it yet. Cool thing is it looks like you don't even have to remove upper pf to replace bulbs and rebuild flipper. Although it was a newer game, ST pro was the worse to work on for me. That had stacks of plastic and ramps which was difficult to figure out how things should come apart and go back together.

As someone who has finished their teardown and is now in the process of putting it back together. Great idea on the bags and photos. I can tell you there is at least 1 bulb under the mini playfield you cannot reach without disassembly.

More options added.

#23 9 months ago

WWF Royal Rumble was a big pain with the mini playfield. The way the vuk and playfield are mounted sucks.

Didn't have much issue on my DM or BW. Did DM with a 6 month break in between, BW with no pictures or anything.

#24 9 months ago

Tales of the Arabian Nights - TOTAN

So many hex posts to keep in order for all of the ramps. Lots of documentation made just for the hex posts alone.

#25 9 months ago

I want to thank all of you for compiling a list of games I should never buy. WCS being a pain to shop is the main reason I sold it.

#26 9 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

I want to thank all of you for compiling a list of games I should never buy. WCS being a pain to shop is the main reason I sold it.

World Cup Soccer was my first pin because it was (relatively) cheap, simple, and the kids liked it. I took it apart and put it back together 3 times, once installing new rubbers, once new LEDs, and once new plastics. So many upkeep lessons were learned from that game... but it's fun!

#27 9 months ago

TAF is a pain to work on. The mechs are hardwired to the harness without connectors in the necessary places, and the playfield just tilts up and does not slide out, although you can pull the playfield off the hinge to move it forward.

Bally learned and TZ does not have those two issues, but it has a lot to do and the clock is complicated.

#28 9 months ago

The worst for me was a SF2. That one has some parts in the back that require you to remove the upper playfield to get to.

#29 9 months ago

WOZ - especially underneath the castle playfield.

#30 9 months ago

I have to vote STTNG. The cannons, subways and general weight of the playfield were a challenge. I still have WH2O, WCS, CFTBL, and TZ as they are easier and I typically tear everything down at least once a year. I do wish that the mini playfield on TZ was like the one on Shadow as its so convenient, one screw and you swing it up and out of the way.

#31 9 months ago

STTNG is definitely a PITA!! Judge Dredd has some tricky bits but nothing like the first mentioned.

#32 9 months ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Forgot Capcom.
Airborne is up there on the shit list.
Pinball Magic is a bitch, damn you Matra Magna.
But, White Water is in the top 1 or 2 for sure.

pinball magic is for sure a pita, batman forever even worse, tales from the crypt sucked too.

#33 9 months ago

Many of the titles mentioned I've never had the (dis)pleasure of shopping.

One title of the 25 or so that I've shopped/resto'd that I really didn't enjoy was Vector. It was surprisingly crammed underneath and it's heavier than you'd expect for a machine from that era. I can see why "Pin by Committee" never caught on.

#34 9 months ago

So strange. Last night I finished shopping out my sons NBAFB and after I got done this same question came to my mind.

First machine I thought of was WW.

#35 9 months ago

Any bingo ever is far more of a pain in the ass than anything listed here.

#36 9 months ago

Road Show is no walk in the park....

#37 9 months ago

Wh20 is not a hard pin to shop, it’s a little time consuming, but pretty straight forward. I think sttng can be a pain due to cannons, I’ve done a few and all of them have cannon harness and opto problems.

#38 9 months ago

The most difficult game to shop is the one you're trying to finish in time for a show or delivery, because stupid things either defy your efforts or keep cropping up!

#39 9 months ago

I put LEDs in Blackwater 100 and it was awful. All the sockets are stapled, and I put lighting under all the molded plastics.

Simpsons DE was really difficult as well. All the GI sockets were stapled, so you want to take the ramp off, but that massive ramp is one continuous piece and requires removing the backpanel. The playfield tilts up but doesn’t slide forward, so you need to completely remove it from the cabinet to make this happen.

#40 9 months ago

Bummer on WH20, I could have bought one totally restored years ago, but instead I didn't so I'm not looking forward to doing it!

#41 9 months ago

I found whitewater easy. Once you remove the upper playfield with all the ramps - how to do it is even explained in the manual - there is not much more to it, you have access to the whole lower playfield.

Scared stiff is more difficult as you need to remove the back panel.

Most wpc games are ok (although a lot of parts like tz or sttng) as they are designed ok and you can remove layer per layer.
Sys11 games and data east I find on average more difficult to shop as you often need to remove several parts at once or have screws hidden below parts you can't remove yet, or they don't have connectors and you needto unsolder wires..

#42 9 months ago

Gonna try and put the WhiteWater Ramps back in tonight... look at this.

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#43 9 months ago

For me, I'd say WH20 and CFTBL made me the angriest.

#44 9 months ago

I've shopped many of the ones in the poll: CFTBL, TSPP, STTNG, PM, BSD, TFTC, SS, JP. I'd rank them in this order from difficult to easiest:

STTNG
PM
TSPP
JP
BSD
TFTC
CFTBL
SS

#45 9 months ago

So far it's Earthshaker with all it's locktited posts, a playfield that doesn't slide out, and a clusterfk of shit in the back.

#46 9 months ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

Gonna try and put the WhiteWater Ramps back in tonight... look at this.[quoted image]

Yeah but ramp 1 goes in, then 2, then 3...it's locgical. Something liek DH you have to literally flex the ramps putting pressure on them to bend them over each other; weird.

#47 9 months ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Something liek DH you have to literally flex the ramps putting pressure on them to bend them over each other; weird.

I give DH second to Earthshaker. STTNG was a piece of cake compared to both of these. I've got Dirty harry down now though. Easy one is No Fear, or I was just in a hurry to get it done.

#48 9 months ago

It's been a while, but I remember not liking Maverick and Tales from the Crypt. Just much more small screws than necessary.

Now shopping an Orbitor 1, that is just an adventure that seperates the men from the boys. You can just throw 2/3 of the experience you have with shopping pinballs overboard for this one. Almost everything is radically different. Respect for the people at Stern that built this monster.

It's -so- scary to seperate the playfield from the very delicate (and unobtainable) moon surface underneath it.

Banzai Run is pretty doable. Just think of it as a pin-and-a-half.

Easiest modern-ish game to shop was Surf 'n Safari. Gottlieb assemblies from this vintage are big and very straightforward.

#49 9 months ago

I have to vote for NASCAR. Next to White Water, NASCAR has the most complicated ramp installation that I've ever had to deal with. Like White Water, if you put the ramps back on NASCAR in the wrong order you are screwed and need to start over. They are all intertwined. The largest one goes out the back of the PF into the cabinet of the game and loops back in. That, and the dual magnets for the outer racetrack loop suck to take apart and put back.

I'll vote for F-14 as well. The diverter and the wire habit-trails are a bastard.

#50 9 months ago

Space Jam.

Also South Park if you don't keep track of where exactly the 37 different sizes of standoff posts go.

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