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Virtual Pinball Machine


By OrdealByFire

6 months ago



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    #1 6 months ago

    I’m gonna need you guys to encourage or discourage me about this purchase. I’m a huge fan of pinball like all of you and stumbled across a 42” 4K virtual machine for $3,000, and I’m really trying to convince myself not to. The lack of depth to the field turns me off, but the idea of having virtually a limitless supply of pins on one table sounds insane. I’m a fan of games like TPA so I know how virtual pinball feels, and I know it’s unlike the real thing...

    What do you guys think? First thought is that $3k for a 4K 42” machine seems like there must be a catch. I know shipping is separate and would cost a small fortune, but I have to wonder if the refresh rates/input lag is rough (granted I haven’t asked about it yet).

    Thoughts?

    #2 6 months ago

    IMO vpins are a nice supplement to the gameroom for the variety of rare games you can play. I would not get this as my only 'pinball' but its great as an accessory. I would play it before deciding though. Everyone builds and configures vpins differently ranging from horrible physics/feel to pretty good! I spent alot of time configuring mine and have alot of fun with it daily along with my other real pins.

    Quoted from OrdealByFire:

    I’m gonna need you guys to encourage or discourage me about this purchase. I’m a huge fan of pinball like all of you and stumbled across a 42” 4K virtual machine for $3,000, and I’m really trying to convince myself not to. The lack of depth to the field turns me off, but the idea of having virtually a limitless supply of pins on one table sounds insane. I’m a fan of games like TPA so I know how virtual pinball feels, and I know it’s unlike the real thing...
    What do you guys think? First thought is that $3k for a 4K 42” machine seems like there must be a catch. I know shipping is separate and would cost a small fortune, but I have to wonder if the refresh rates/input lag is rough (granted I haven’t asked about it yet).
    Thoughts?

    #3 6 months ago

    $3,000 towards another real pin

    #4 6 months ago

    Don't do it! It's cute and you get to play titles you don't usually see etc etc blah. It's just a boat anchor you'll be stuck with when you're sick of it in under a year

    #5 6 months ago

    I built a VP and sold it about a year later. Eventually the novelty of having every pin wears off and I found myself only playing a select few games. If you are buying from Joe Shmoe, consider the build quality and level of support you will receive if something breaks after purchase.

    #6 6 months ago

    I appreciate the input, guys. I’ll hold off for now for sure.

    Especially because I reason through that there’s a bar with 12 newer Sterns just over a mile from my house.

    #7 6 months ago

    You can build one for a fraction of the cost if you have the skills. I had one and it satisfied the itch until I could find a real machine. I would still have it up but ran out of room when I added more real pins. Now that I have more room I want to get it back out, but gave up the computer to my son for gaming. They are fun if done right with force feedback and all. Still any real pin is better.

    #8 6 months ago

    I will also add that where I live real pins are much harder to find so it was about the only thing available at the time.

    #9 6 months ago

    hey there, first post here ever on this website.. I have a virtual pinball machine, mainly because of lack of funds and space. and.... finding real pins is kinda hard by me, ( although a few places have opening up ) I have my system in a real judge dredd cab, and absolutely love it!!!,

    a lot has happend in the past couple years due to some incredibly talented people, colordmd,, very good physics ( not perfect though ) ect. ect.

    heres a pic of MM when i first got it, to now.

    and some MB too.

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    #10 6 months ago

    One thing for sure, if not setup correctly or due to the tv / monitor used and any delay in flipper action makes it unbearable.

    #11 6 months ago
    Quoted from Tomass:

    One thing for sure, if not setup correctly or due to the tv / monitor used and any delay in flipper action makes it unbearable.

    you are right. monitors I use are 60hz and I lock the refresh frame rate at 60 hz. and pre render 1 frame. its fairly smooth and flipper reaction is very low, on my set up... others... well could be terrible.

    #12 6 months ago
    Quoted from Tomass:

    One thing for sure, if not setup correctly or due to the tv / monitor used and any delay in flipper action makes it unbearable.

    This is one of my biggest hesitations. I’d hate to spend nearly $4k on a machine that’s unplayable... and I can’t try before I buy because there’s a thousand mile or more distance between me and the business.

    #13 6 months ago
    Quoted from OrdealByFire:

    The idea of having virtually a limitless supply of pins on one table sounds insane.

    That's the main appeal of a virtual pinball. I had 12 pins in my game room and figured out a way to squeeze just one more in. I was thinking of a virtual pin to simulate lots of titles I like but didn't have room or funds for. But after trying a couple different virtual pins I bought a NIB Stern I really liked instead.

    Now my problem is I'd like to add another NIB Stern but I can't figure out how to squeeze in another game.

    #14 6 months ago

    Damn, any of you guys need some job fillings remotely?

    I’d love to be able to afford an army of pins.

    Thanks for all of the feedback, everybody.

    #15 6 months ago

    I was really interested in virtual pinball too until I stumbled across a video of a kid playing one and just triggering the flippers like crazy and he was able
    To make shots with it. Like good shots . I was like this is dumb

    #16 6 months ago

    I've spent the last couple months occasionally looking at the new versions of Visual Pinball X, and WOW there are some incredible games out there. There's even VR versions of the games which eliminate the "2D" nature of these tables. They look AMAZING. With force feedback and the nudging sensors, maybe a shaker, etc, they can be really really good. But they're not real, and they don't play the same, and to me.. not as fun. I would consider getting one for $1500 MAYBE, in order to play some of the games I can't find in my area. But that's about it...

    #17 6 months ago

    I still play Pinball arcade every night on my PS3. Its what got me back into pinball. If they are anything like that I would be interested. I know its not the same but fun to play!

    #18 6 months ago
    Quoted from Oneangrymo:

    I was really interested in virtual pinball too until I stumbled across a video of a kid playing one and just triggering the flippers like crazy and he was able
    To make shots with it. Like good shots . I was like this is dumb

    TPA opens the shots up a little for people, I don't know how far off you can be, but yeah it's stupid. It's mainly done that way to make new players enjoy themselves more. Plus I've never liked the physics on TPA or That other one that looks like a video game.

    VPX tables are a lot better, a few things that sucks are there are no variance to the feeds (although you could code that into the table pretty easily). The nudging sucks, the ball moves rather the table creating the opposite of what was intended on certain saves. Some authors don't put a lot of time into the physics, but you can fix that as well.

    #19 6 months ago

    tpa vs vpx is like comparing apples to oranges. ( vpx is far better, but tpa is very easy to get working )

    also, one could say. hey.. I saw a video once of a kid playing this pinball game and he made some shots. thats lame.

    please, try it out for yourself first and give it a chance before you make up your mind. that goes for mostly everything in life. I love real pinball, but vpx is always improving all the time. dont be surprised in a couple years on how advanced it is, people will have to take it seriously at some point.

    #20 6 months ago

    On the discouragement side I'll say this. I've seen multiple listings over the years on Pinside for virtual pinball setups where the seller is selling it to purchase a single real pinball machine.

    I've always been interested in virtual pinball but didn't want to make the investment into a full size cabinet due to the cost and the space it takes up. I had a local cabinet maker make the front end of a pinball machine to use as a VR pinball cabinet. The cabinet can also be placed in front of a TV and used there as well. With that being said I haven't used it much lol.

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    #21 6 months ago
    Quoted from OrdealByFire:

    I’d love to be able to afford an army of pins.

    Oneangrymo = 14 pins
    Tomass = 14 pins
    TheLaw = 15 pins
    littlecammi = 16 pins

    Truth is these are all mid-sized collections. A lot of Pinsiders have way more games than we do.

    #22 6 months ago

    Visual Pinball 9 (aka VP9) has come a long way from 10 years ago to the now current Visual Pinball x (aka VPX). Here is a really nice recreation of TOTAN in 4k by flupper who is one of many talented VPX table creators.

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    #23 6 months ago
    Quoted from littlecammi:

    Oneangrymo = 14 pins
    Tomass = 14 pins
    TheLaw = 15 pins
    littlecammi = 16 pins
    Truth is these are all mid-sized collections. A lot of Pinsiders have way more games than we do.

    Umm.. correction oneangrymo fully loaded and overwhelmed, and has an angry wife... has nearly 5-6 pins on marketplace! go look!

    #26 5 months ago

    I have 14, but spent less on the entire collection than some do on just 1 machine. I buy broken and fix, then restore. I like knowing every bolt and screw on my machines for when a problem comes up. I can't play a game unless it has 0 issues for some reason.

    #27 5 months ago
    Quoted from Tomass:

    I have 14, but spent less on the entire collection than some do on just 1 machine. I buy broken and fix, then restore. I like knowing every bolt and screw on my machines for when a problem comes up. I can't play a game unless it has 0 issues for some reason.

    I love that part of the process myself. I've bought several new in box Stern's over the years, but there's something rewarding about making the dead and dirty ones play right and look nice again. I don't do restores, I refurb to nice working and looking respectable. Since my divorce, the NIB purchases slowed way down. I sometimes think that my Batman 66 could be replaced with 4-6 other pins easily using that same money, but it is a great game and still under warranty

    #28 5 months ago

    IMO Virtual Pinball can be pretty awesome - but you need a really good build. The tech is there, and having the variety of games is awesome. If I could only have 1-3 games, they would all be real pinball. But as long as I had 3 real games, having a VP gives you so much variety. I find playing EM Tables on a VP to be as good or better than playing the actual pins - since the actual pins are so often in poor shape and play extremely slow. The "fun" factor for me with EM's is much lower than modern games (I still like them) - so I can't justify an EM taking up a slot in my game room. But with a VP I can play a ton of EM's with no maintenance, or slow, tired out old mechs. I've been collecting 30+ years and have a lot of games (mostly DMD) - my opinion might be different if I was newer to the hobby.

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