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Here is my stubby design below for a VR pincab to go with my HP Reverb G2 headset. It will have SSF (surround sound feedback) and a couple contactors for the flippers. Maybe a real knocker and shaker too. I'm going with the Pinscape Lite expansion board. I'll run the VRLauncher menu system (see below) to launch Visual Pinball X VR tables. I'll also play the FX2 VR tables.

I'll also have a 32 inch 1440 pivoting display on the wall for FX3 tables and other games. My computer will sit below on the base of this cab. BTW, that is a 4/8 way stick in the top of cab. It looks like a red button because I don't know how to make a joy stick.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We would need to see the specs on computer components, displays and other hardware like the force feedback if any? But beautiful cab for sure!!

That's a pretty new feature that came about after this was built. But I agree.

I just signed up and got in right away just now!

I like Virtual pinball for learning the table rules. But it's a video game and still fun. I own real pinball for pinball. There is no substitute.

You have real physics and the random shit that goes with it. This will always make it different from video gaming.

Apples to oranges!

Totally agree!

JPSalas FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Use Pinball Y. And for VR, you need to use VP launcher. No single front end supports both flat and VR.
Single display in portrait with DMD on same screen is totally doable. It will require a Rez file and another registry configuration file and also editing some tables in the table editor (simple to learn, but you will need some help getting started) See VPForums. Ask questions there to get started. I've done it but can't remember the process. Been out of it for a while.

It won't, simply because VR pinball is a single user experience! Swapping headsets is a PITA and not what I'd want to be doing with mine. How would leagues use VR? Also digital pinball is not real pinball! Apples to oranges comparison.

Yes, digital pinball is fun too. But it's a whole new thing really! Who could have imagined it back in the 80's! It would have been beyond my wildest dreams like the internet and all the new tech that exists today! May as well enjoy it! Real pinball is not only getting too expensive, but the build quality is going down. Even the old ones are stupid expensive now.

I'd play about 15.

Best Choice out there. I wouldn't even consider anything less!

VPX VR is the only way for me. And you can build a stubby cab with SSF for cheap. Bought a HP Reverb G2 a year ago. Image quality is incredible! Closest thing to real pinball. Plan to build one next year when video card prices hopefully return to somewhat normal.

Especially with a G2 headset!
2160 x 2160 panel resolution per eye
4320 x 2160 pixels combined
I was going for the RTX3080 until SHTF!
That VPX VR software is not optimized well and held together with duck tape. But when you get it running!!!

True,
VR pinball is a solo endeavor for sure. But I have 8 real pins for multiplayer. VR is for me! And it's just a cool toy nobody else has. I do like to play some other VR games as well, so there's that. G2 headset is very comfortable too, so that is a non issue for me. Also, there is support for feedback.

Not sure. Depends what head set and how you tweak things. Go to VPforums and ask there. I'm sure you can find answers.

I can't imagine spending 9 large on a virtual pin!

From what I've read on VPforums, the plywood is better for the SSF transducers as it's less dense than MDF and transfers the vibration better. And I agree at these prices, MDF is B.S. You ever see what water does to MDF?

Glad to hear it! VirtuaPin is the only option I would even consider!!
** I hope I can use my HP Reverb G2 and not be forced to buy a lesser quality headset! Screen door is not an option!

WOW!!

I am surprised that there are no examples out there (that I can find) of a VP setup like the one I'm going to build.
It's a very simplified and less expensive version of a pincab to fit in a smaller space. All it is, is a stubby cab design for controller with SSF and two 32-inch displays both mounted vertically (portrait) one above the other. The playfield display will be an Acer Predator XB323U 32" (2560 x 1440) IPS NVIDIA G-SYNC mounted to the wall with a proper wall mount that allows adjustment. The other will be a cheaper 75Hz 32-inch display for back box/dmd/toper vids etc. also mounted vertically to the wall above the playfield display.
This will be an easy and relatively inexpensive way to enjoy VPX, FX3 and VR pinball. I currently own an HP Reverb G2 headset.

I can't find any like this. It seems so obvious for anyone looking to save space and work and cost and yet enjoy virtual pinball. I suppose if I didn't have 8 real pins I'd want a full blown pincab too LOL!

I'll just build one this winter. Something to do in northern Michigan winter hell land.

Yes, but I enjoy it on my current 32 inch 144HZ display in portrait. I want to add a second 32" display in portrait for both back glass and DMD. Also, much easier to set up games. It's a PITA to move all the score displays down on to the apron for the classic pins. A portrait back glass display works really well for the older pins too. It maintains the proper aspect ratio much better and still allows room for a DMD if needed. As I stated, I do not have room for a full size cab and don't want the expense and work of building one. Displays will be wall mounted and I will build a stubby cab. Also, I will use it for VR pinball.

Those only have a single portrait display and are uncomfortable on the hands. Made more for video games.

Anyone use these products from France?

https://shop.arnoz.com/en/

I have concluded that these components listed below are all I need for what I want to do...
- KL SHIELD + KL25Z
- Mosboard Full 8
- The BRAIN
- Potar with 3D print assembly.

**Awesome product line!!

Explain the Arnoz USB KILLA V2.
Not sure I get the importance of this board. Is it necessary to protect my computer when shutting down?
Why do you suddenly have a different avatar?

Yes!
It's a really well thought out and impressive modular system!!
Great work Arnoz!

Example of vertical back glass display for classic pin. Extra sticks out top for topper vids or whatever.
* Pic taken from VPUNIVERSE gallery *

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Oooo,
how computer illiterate? That term is ambiguous?
There will be much to setup and tweak. It's all learnable, but I hope you like playing with computers and researching on forums etc... I would recommend you keep it simple to start.

Nice space saving design!

I wondered at that too. Whomever built that has some serious skills.

Don't want to build a conventional cab?

Analglyph sucks. Colors are terrible. Image quality is tettible.

I used to play FX2 and The Pinball Arcade with nvidia 3D Vision. It was awesome! 1080p 60Hz per eye. The only thing that sucked was you couldn't put the display into portrait. It was the first 120Hz display! Nvidia dropped all support for 3D Vision.

This!

Well, I finally started down the road of building a VPX setup. Got the computer parts during Back Friday.
Will run a 32 inch 'LG 32GP850-B' 32 Ultra Gear monitor (2560 x 1440) @ 165Hz Refresh Rate for playfield (portrait orientation of course). And another cheap 1080p 32" display in portrait orientation for back box and DMD. Both mounted to wall, the playfield display on a swing arm mount to adjust. A stubby cab with SSF nearly half the length of a full cab with lots of weight inside. Computer separate from cab. No interest in building a full cab. Already have the lumber and legs. Also have a HP G2 reverb headset for playing with VR. Cost calculated to be about 2 grand (not counting lumber, legs or VR headset).

Ryzen 5600X OC to 4.2 GHz on B550 MB
32GB 3600MHz DDR4
1TB M.2 Gen4 SSD
250GB M.2 Gen3 SSD boot drive - Windows 11 Home
ASRock Radeon RX 6700 XT
750W PSU
LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 case

= about $1200.00 build (for computer alone).

I meant Ryzen 5600X OC to 4.7MHz

I meant Ryzen 5600X OC to 4.7GHz

I thought this was different. I like the height adjusting mech.

Such creativity!
Can't wait!!!

Exactly why I don't care about online play.

I love that Neon Nights table. I've been saying for years that we need a killer electronica themed game utilizing awesome synthesizer sound effects and music! Hooked to a sub-woofer, this would sound awesome. The neon-colored art is perfect for it.

Thank You so much!!

I love this SpaceRamp table! It's a good example of how cool synthesizer music can be for sound effects and background music! I'd like to see more sci-fi themes tables like this. There is a lot of incredible synthesizer music and sound effect out there that would be awesome to use! Digital/Analog synthesized sounds combined with a subwoofer will absolutely blow your socks off!

Yes, VP and VPVR are video game pinball emulators with their own unique capabilities. Great 'addition to' my cave!

I used a 32 inch IPS 1440p 165HZ computer monitor for the playfield for this reason.
4K@120HZ is too hard to push and requires insanely expensive computer hardware and I don't trust using OLED TV's as they're expensive and burn in can be a problem. IPS monitors have great color gamut and viewing angles. Computer monitors turn on and off with computer automatically as well. Higher refresh rates translate to better image quality and smoother ball movement. 1440p (2K) resolution is also not available in TV's. With a three-monitor setup, 32" playfield is plenty IMO.
Also, I used four 8 ohm 'DaytonAudio' 50W HDN-8 Transducers for the SSF powered by two 100W per channel stereo amps (delivering 50W against 8 ohms). No need for base shaker transducers and 3.1 amps! Also, use a nice 3.1 backglass audio system. The only contactors are for left and right flippers. Plenty of tactile feedback! May add a real shaker soon. I also use a real tilt bob.

Literally what I have noticed as well and as so many others have also stated.

Awesome! Cool looking pin IMO! Objective is to stack 5 MB's!
Real pin is an extreme hassle to clean and maintenance. Has the largest single ramp in pinball. Low rating is probably due to low production numbers.

0:28 chimp flipping!

That was a cool scene though! This is possible now with VR if a company would take up the project. Hopefully someone will in the future!

Finally finished my stubby vpin! I'm amazed at how good these new tables are!! DOF and SSF are so realistic! I installed a rotating beacon under the stubby cab and a red/green pinspot laser overhead that fires with beacon. Super cool effect! If you install transducers for SSF, go with four Dayton Audio HDN-8's powered by two stereo 100w/channel amplifiers. No need for the 2.1 bass shakers. Use a real Stern shaker motor. Fantastic feedback with this setup! Even better than my real pins LOL! The HDN-8's are full range, 50 watt power handling and are 8 ohm. So, you need the two 100w/channel amps (for front and rear) to get the 50 watts for each transducer. But, be careful and only set the amps to 3/4 volume max and set bass to a little over half or you can blow them! I did blow one running at full volume/bass. I also used a pair of SIEMENS 3RH1140-1BB40 40E contactors for the flippers for extra feedback. Also, this way you can get some flipper tactile feedback even if SSF is not supported (provided DOF is supported). I'll post some pics when I get time. No need to build a full cab if you want to save some money and a lot of work with this design.
P.S.
I did try to use optocouplers for the flipper contactors rather than depending on DOF. But, the KL25z does not put out enough current to drive the optocouplers I used. This did work when using an Ipac keyboard encoder, but no such luck with the KL25z. But keyboard encodes don't have the accelerometer for analog nudging.

This game is great and music too, but the sound at end of ball comes through the SSF transducers and is painful on the ears! No way to turn down other than turning down SSF amps WTF?

Yes, he fixed it the next day with release 1.1 after I posted this on Facebook.

This doesn't fix the SSF coming through transducers. I have yet to try fixing it through Sound manager in VPX though. But it's already been fixed in CyberSpace by the author in 1.1.

OK, I went simple and eliminated all the unnecessary hardware and saved a ton of money and work by going this route. Computer is more accessible and not subject to vibration. Playfield monitor is at steeper angle for better contrast, less reflections and better ergonomics. All electronics in box are sitting on a shelf anchored to floor of box with rubber isolation gromets. Four 11.2 LB garden bricks weigh down cab for stability to improve nudging performance. Real tilt, four Dayton Audio HDN-8 transducers for SSF, contactors for flippers, rotating beacon on bottom and real Stern shaker motor. Arnoz boards and plunger and KL25Z Shield. Computer is a Ryzen 5600X CPU O.C.'d to 4.7GHz, 32GB ram, Radeon RX6700XT. M.2 SSD 4th gen. Playfield display is a 32" 1440p 165Hz LG. The desktop mount holding display is mounted to a wood mount I made which is anchored to 3 wall studs. 15.6"DMD and 32" backbox display are 1080p with wall mounts. Logitech 2.1 audio system with sub on floor. HP Reverb G2 Headset. I own real pins so it wasn't important to me if it looked like a real pin.

If you install transducers for SSF, go with four Dayton Audio HDN-8's powered by two stereo 100w/channel amplifiers. No need for the 2.1 bass shakers. Use a real Stern shaker motor. Fantastic feedback with this setup! Even better than my real pins LOL! The HDN-8's is full range, 50-watt power handling and are 8 ohms. So, you need the two 100w/channel amps (for front and rear) to get the 50 watts for each transducer. But be careful and only set the amps to 3/4 volume max and set bass to a little over half or you can blow them! I did blow one running at full volume/bass. There are two more HDN-8 mounted under shelf on front left and right sides not visible in pic. I also used a pair of SIEMENS 3RH1140-1BB40 40E contactors for the flippers for extra feedback. Also, not visible in pics is a 12v blue rotating beacon with a comet pinball 13SMD Tower Flasher LED (Blue) mounted to underside. Also, strobes on back to light up wall.

** Reason I'm posting this is to show newcomers that you can save a lot of money and a lot of work with this simple design. It looks, feels and plays fantastic! No need for 4K 42-inch display. That will run up costs big time not only for the TV but also for the computer to drive it! OLED's are the only 120Hz native refresh rate TV's available and they are expensive, can suffer from burn-in, and are only 120Hz vs the high 165 to 180Hz possible with this display.

** Not counting VR head set, I have about 3 grand into this whole setup.
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Update,
Only set the amps to 12:00 (1/2 full volume) and set bass and treble to 1:00. These transducers (exciters) are not hard to blow.

I'll wait on the Pinsound for now. But, some of the alt sound packages are great!!
Question?
I always choose sound mode 1 because I have SSF. Even if there is no Alt sound, it still plays the ROM. So why is this?

Anyone here know why DOF doesn't work in VPX VR?
My shaker motor and flipper contactors are controlled by DOF. It works fine in non-VR mode.
All latest software and updates installed via latest Baller Installer. Fresh install on Win11 Home.

You have to edit Popper Launcher script for that to work. Way of the Wrench on YouTube has a video on how to do that....

Fast Foward to 21:17

OK, I got DOF working in VR by just putting all the tables into the same folder. I had the VR tables in a separate folder and copied over the DOF shortcuts, but it didn't work for some unknown reason. I just use VR Launcher and set the search filters to grab the VR tables (renamed VR compatible tables with "VR in the file name) and then assign them to categories I made. Works fine. You have to use the GL version of VPX.
I'm using a HP Reverb G2 right now for VR, but will be ordering the Quest 3 Friday along with upgraded headstrap/battery and PC Link cable. It will have better clarity and a better sweet spot for focus than the G2. All reviews say it's a nice upgrade from the Quest 2.

*** Anyone reading this, VPX VR is the cat's ass! I don't even play in pancake anymore unless it's multiplayer. You must have both to get the greatest VPX has to offer! VPX VR is the future and there is no comparison to playing on displays. But ideally, you need a higher end gaming PC as it's not optimized well. Also, SSF and 'DOF for shaker motor effects' is a must for great tactile feedback.

Ya, I had to unzip the dofconfig.zip into the 64bit DOF directory before it would work.