if anyone is planning on selling their VP, PM me as I'm interested in buying as my current deal might fall through. thanks.

wow - YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!

I was confirmed by the seller of that pinball machine (USER ID - jasong78) to be the buyer. As a result, I bought everything for it (PC, etc) that was needed and told the seller this. Was just waiting on him to schedule a time to pick it up. Seller tells me that his child recently was born and that he'll need to reschedule. Been ZERO messages since then even though I've reached out a number of times just to see what was up. Now I see he sold the f'n machine to someone else? WTF? Not mad at you (new buyer) and the seller can do whatever they want but have the respect to tell the person you've been dealing with (and already put money into setting up - bought the full pc) that it's no longer for sale. I have to find out on a f'n pinside thread? Seriously?

do all of the cool toys on these VP tables work with pinball arcade yet? For example, the solenoids, shaker, LEDs, etc? Or is that stuff limited to homebrew apps like VP?

thanks - for me VP even at VPX still looks rough and plays like it's homebrew. Not to say it's not great - it def is having that option but what got me into VP is the pinball arcade as the tables really look great and play even better. Hopefully that hack makes the DOF enabled for PA and I can find another VP table to try it out ; )

I guess I'll need to revisit VPX but last I played, compared to Pinball Arcade (DX 11 version maxed out), it was def worse in comparison. Graphics were much better on PA as was physics. Can't comment on DOF.

Is there a good Addams family or TZ for VPX?

I will give it a go. Do you have a link to the game and do I just need to install the VPX full version? Already have VP9.X on my machine. Might as well link where you're getting all your tables too.

Here is the list of tables I see on the VP forum but didn't see ST:

http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?app=downloads&showcat=50&sort_order=ASC&sort_key=file_name&num=10&st=20

pretty cool that stern offers the game code file. Does that just go in the VPMAME rom folder? (Star trek)?

seems like no TAF or TZ for now....

I gave the final t2 and other Pinball arcade games for comparison and PA still wipes VPX away with just finish and polish. I applaud the guys creating these tables for Visual Pinball use but must be missing something big when others say VP is better than PA.

must be doing something wrong with the rom placement b/c getting error with the new stern ones (pinmame has an error saying can't find rom yet the rom is in the right folder) - metallica and ST. Says rom set missing.

EDIT - you have to change the rom code d/l from stern to match the game script so ST had to change to st_161.bin and then rezipped that to st161 and now it works.

thanks - just realized the same and edited my post.

EDIT 2!

Damn tron. I did everything right which got ST and Metallica to work but now tron gives me machine terminated early after it's about to start. weird.

Will give those tables a try and report back thanks. Thoroughly one sided for PA as of now so hopefully these respond and look better bc to your point DOF doesn't work on PA .

played demo man posted here and def a step in the right direction. Graphics aren't close to the polish of PA though but physics are def better than what I've seen elsewhere for VPX.

Anyway to get the sound on the demo table higher as the music in particular and sound effects seem low yet my volume is cranked. In addition, the table doesn't seem to work well on a vertical/cab look (entire monitor is not taken up).

OK - so I went through all of the games attached via mega (the physics mod ones) and they are def the best ones I've played thus far. Quality and physics are def a step up and good enough for me to enjoy. In fact for the ones not available on pinball arcade, it's a great way to enjoy them. That being said, the VP tables attached here that are also available are PA don't even compare to the quality that is PA. Keep in mind I am playing PA maxed out on my PC (not tablet, etc). Graphics are better on PA (more polished/complete) - take the getaway for example. On VP, you can see where the author sliced together the scans and items where in PA, it's all one package and looks seemless/professional. Yes VP is free but I rather pay and get a maxed out table. More importantly the physics are consistent and overall much better on PA than VP. I can understand how DOF can make the VP fun but to say PA doesn't compare to these VP tables is absolutely crazy. Thanks for posting these though b/c games like back to the future and turtles, etc are good enough for me to enjoy.

It's all good I just keep on reading how VP is much better than PA and just comparing each in the same fashion (table quality physics), I don't agree and just listing that here. I still will very much play VP for games not on PA and thanks to this thread I have great versions of them.

Any place near Pittsburgh where you can try out a virtual pin (fully loaded - with shakers, etc)? I ask b/c I'm thinking about going virtual and selling my two pins but want to try it out first before fully committing.....

Maybe even a pinball show coming up near the area?

Well that's the thing - not sure I would but want to try a fully loaded one to see if it's good. I like the idea of 100 games in one and no maintenance. Obviously the flip side is if it feels real enough!

I would like to try out a fully loaded to see what there is to offer. Too bad they're not readily available to try out. As for "pincab" is that a brand or just a ref to a VP table?

I might end up selling one of mine (likely not the GnR) and buying a VP. I only have room for 2....

I still can't get over though how much these tables are. I build PCs and know it's a joke to pay for what is needed to run these tables. Otherwise, tvs (which they basically give away) and wood? Seems like you're paying for labor, configuration and wiring which I get (hardware for the feedback isn't expensive at all) but the fully loaded seems to sell for 6-8+k which seems crazy. Too bad they're not more reasonable but it is what it is.....

Although limited, what I've seen from VP cabs is very good (price aside). They seem like very nice people looking to help out.

Does anyone have pinball graphic art that can be printed and applied to a cabinet. For example, TOF or TZ? If so PM me. Thinking about jumping into VP and would like to apply art so it looks real deal.

guys - do the virtual tables allow you to apply or use update code or change music? For example, my Jurassic has the latest rom from Chad which is a MAJOR improvement than stock. Can the same updates and rule changes be applied to the virtual table? For GnR I have a pinsound card which allows custom music. In the virtual table, can you add your own music that is incorporated into the game (not just MP3 music that plays over top)?

Good to hear. How about the rules/rom itself? Would you be able to apply the new rom for jurassic park in a VP setting?

I've been going back and forth on getting one if these and recently bought a vive (virtual reality). Tried future pinball and it's very impressive. Just a thought for those who are interested in this. Space saving fully 3d and pinball arcade support coming very soon. It's actually cheaper too.

apparently now pinball arcade might just be doing VR for the new stern pinball arcade which would really suck (I like the older titles). Since that's prob the case, I might be interested in getting a force feedback VP. If you have one to sell, PM me. I will be selling my addams family (likely) for this if interested. trade + cash on your end. thanks

well not sure yet - want to see what's out there first but I think I'm destined for VP. Really hope Pinball arcade ends up releasing all of their tables.

btw - does TPA support force feedback now?

future pinball tables although look good - just don't play nearly as well. Been playing them in VR and really been disappointed with the physics (even after the adjustments that are avail - it's still not as good as VP and doesn't even come close to TPA which is my fav).

no 2 player? Wow that is a deal breaker (for me -but I would assume a lot of other people as well). These games are shallow enough - multi is what makes these games shine and that person needs to be next you shoulder to shoulder.

What pinball software are you using with this VR setup? I don't believe there are any classic games in VR besides that Future Pinball add on which due to FP physics, is not the best. Otherwise pinball fx which is native VR but not original tables. TPA is expected to be in VR but it's taking FOREVER and the person who modded TPA for VR, refuses to update the software even after I offered good money!

Looking to buy a VP mini if anyone has one with lights, feedback, etc. I saw the one offered here but it's in RI and just too far. I believe seller is no longer selling.

I can do the software side of things too if there is something available with hardware ready to go. I might prefer that!

Sorry Ed I thought you said it was being worked on and therefore no longer for sale. My misunderstanding

Thinking about getting a table as noted above. Does anyone know for VP cabs - can you install The Pinball Arcade AND have force feedback? This is assuming table has feedback of course. I know it comes with a front end built in but I don't believe TPA games are included right? If not, and I have it on steam, I'm able to use right? Does it work with the cab (Backglass, DMD and PF)?

damn. Not even nudge works?! jeeze. I just think TPAs physics are the best. Does that mean not even the RGB LEDs will go off either?

Also - does anyone know if the vp cabs mini has force feedback or nudge ability? Or the size of the TVs? They removed it from their website.

dup sorry

guys - I'm assuming you can access and upgrade the components of a VP cab if you want correct? About to join the club and wanted to know. Also anyone recall what CPU and GPU is in the LE model (now called wizard)? Is it the same 960 and i5? thanks!

Thanks - thought I could and build computers so this will work well. I actually have VPX, etc and familiar with the software as I was using it on my PC but now I want to try the VP out. Been thinking about it for a year or so (posted on this topic earlier) but switched to VR which is awesome but pinball arcade is either no longer releasing it or delaying it to the point I can't wait. Plus I want to just play something without the headset on.

Moving forward here, I understand the LE or wizard has force feedback. I understand I can put whatever i want on the machine as it's just a PC waiting to be tinkered with. What i don't understand is for new games (VPX) does the force feedback need to be configured (or does anything like screens, backglass, etc) need to be configured again or will the machine use the settings already established with the games on it already (since the table functionality shouldn't change). I'm assuming it will need to be configured and if so, best place to learn how for feedback? Also since you just did TPA, any tips/lessons b/c I def want it on my machine. I believe it will lay out like a real pin (DMD,etc) and although no feedback or nudge, I would like to have the option. I've played all the tables and TPA feels the best and looks the best to me although VPX is making a really good case and I think that does have feedback right?

guys - about to get an LE/Wizard vp cab. Can those lights that go off in the back (5 or so) can you make them darker and brighter? If not, can you replace the bulbs themselves?

OK thanks. Also for the DMD screen itself - it's a color dmd but some of the games I've seen display it in the normal red. To get color on the DMD for these games, do I need to update that myself or do i just download a file to make it color. Ex - TOM

Great - thanks!!

One other question - the vp cab comes with a real plunger and a plunger button. I hate using the button for games that have a real plunger in real life. Example - the machine is currently configured to use the "button" plunger in twilight zone (hold enables a stronger plunger). Am I able to configure this within the TZ table itself so my vp cab uses the plunger and NOT the button? The real plunger on the machine works.

New owner - impressed with how it does simulate a real pinball feel especially with feedback and shaker. Have a vpcab LE/Wizard btw,
2 Questions:
1) The nudge def works but it needs to be made easier to do (want more sensitivity out of it). How do I do that?
2) Not sure if this is normal but after I select the game and it starts, if the volume is loud I can hear distortion or that crackling sound kick on right when the DMD loads up. If I start the game I can't really notice but I kind of know it's there. I'm thinking there is contact being made somewhere to cause the hiss nose. Try to fiddle around but don't want to mess up as it's playing well....

EDIT - did some more research and when I actual click the DMD area with mouse it stops the sound but the game stops too. Its as if the translite or something is also playing in that DMD panel but underneath it and it might be causing that hiss. Again might be normal bc I dont hear it too much when playing....not sure as I'm new to this.

Old dragon I might have the same as you. It's le from 2015. Here is a pic of the DMD. You see how beneath it is almost the Addams family backglass? See bottom of the pic. Is that correct as I think it had something to do with the DMD why the volume at Max causing this noise.

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I also want to make the DMD blue not orange... How do you do that?

Edit by pressing f12 I was able to reset volume from 0 to -32. When I pressed it the sound goes away (just being in the vpinmame volume box). Once I change value (any value) same thing the box goes away and that noise re appears....

EDIT 2 So I moved the dmd pic out of it's space and it seems an animated backglass is playing where the DMD goes. Whenever I click on the DMD the noise goes away....

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Here is a video of the sound. When I click on the DMD the sound stopped temporarily and then goes back on once I click back to the table to play

EDIT - upon further testing it's not DMD related. The noise stops when I click off of the table PF. Once I click back to the PF and the action starts that noise is made. can someone on their machine crank the volume to max before a game starts (no music) to see if they can hear it? You cant really when the game starts

EDIT 2 - animated backglass is currently on the same screen as my DMD. How do I get that to go on my backglass screen when using VP? Right now my backglass is showing the backglass used during pinball X. Looking into it further seems like screenres.txt needs to be adjusted in tables folder...

EDIT 3 - I'm keeping a trail here so newbies like me can learn from my experience.....I was able to fix it (make my DMD setup right and animated background on backglass) by editing the screenres.txt. Important to make that read only as my pinball x was changing it after I loaded the game as there is a setting in Pinx that was on auto. I could have changed that too to no but decided to do both (auto to no and read only on the file)! Made a backup too!

Now I just need to figure out that sound. Think it's coming from cables potentially. It's not even that bad when the game runs though so maybe it is normal.

So I had a lock up occur mid game that required me to manually reboot system. When I went to turn back on it booted up but no picture anywhere.... Said no signal. I checked GPU and hard drive on my own PC and they are fine. I thought the cmos needed to be reset so removed the battery with power off and went to boot up and this time I don't have any power!

Any thoughts here? There are two power supplies in this can. One closest to the door allows the thing to boot up by pressing button underneath. The other psu is connected to mobo. If I drain the power out by holding power in while it's unplugged and then put the plug back into the wall I can see the PSU send power for 5 seconds to the main board and then it stops.

I've already reached out to VP cabs who have been great this far but thought I would ask here as well.

just did the pin method on the psu connected to computer and it works great. Not sure i can get to the one inside the unit but will try.

OK. I actually got the power back on! Back to booting up and into "no signal" on the screens.

EDIT - fixed it myself. Had to reset CMOS by jumping. All is good! plays perfectly

thought I would report back after spending a ton of time on my virtual (VP Cabs Wizard with Feeback). Everything is perfect now - sound, speed, etc. I even upgraded the gfx and VPX games are coming out almost every day and play really well. Great time to own a VP!

I bought the zebs one for mine and it was well worth it.

I haven't checked this club out recently but apparently the new GB LE VP table was released along with some other nice VPX. I don't have my pin anymore but I kind of miss updating it constantly with better versions.

Thinking about getting back into the club. If you're tired of yours and local reach out.

Want force feedback... Used to own avpcavs wizard. Very familiar with how they work and what is needed. Thanks!

That looks awesome

really some of the nicest vpins I've seen. Too bad you're not here in the states!

hey guys - thinking about rejoining the club. If anyone is thinking about selling theirs (and it has force feedback - which would be imperative), reach out.

Thanks!

So I'm back in the club. Edit - all good!

EDIT...

My current cab has these

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/20-9663-1

I would like to replace them with the standard pinball buttons:

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-16883-4

Can I do this without rewiring these? The buttons work fine but I prefer the classic buttons found on my real ones.

Even if I could somehow remove the color button from it's casing and replace it with the concave button that would work!

I guess it would involve resoldering the wires to the leaf switch? Do you know which leaf switch I would need?

I'm also updating to 4k and building a beast of a machine! Not going to be cheap but worth it. I have a professionally built cab with MM side art
...

The last config above me is awesome although the CPU is overkill I love the passion! 1070 or above GPU for 4k it's necessary
I'm going 1070 ti

Nice build!!!

So pin2dmd is full color too? I thought only Pin3dmd? ALso - where did you get the tinted plex for the DMD itself?

4k tv/monitor update -

I ended up buying both a 43 inch LG 4k tv (43UK6300) with very low input lag and the ACER 43 monitor (ET430k). I first received the LG and was happy - nice PQ, no flipper lag. Then the ACER came in and blew it away. PQ is so much better and response time being quicker led to a super clear game of pin. The only negative is the input lag is a tad higher but still flipper lag pretty much not there.

Clear winner is the ACER.....

I've seen this recently - is that an option that exists in the table or vpx? Playing more today, the lag is virtually not even there but like you said, I'll try it out!

OK I need to see how you manually apply it. I know some come with it built in.

That's an amazing deal to buy one already made at that price (3k even). A nice build with full force that you didn't build yourself is more 4800-5500 and that's not including the ones that are 4k great PC graphics card etc

EDIT

EDIT.

just got vpx vr working well with my rift S and it's absolutely bonkers. I see no reason now to build another physical cab. The 3d really tricks the brain.

If anyone wants to build me a small controller with force feedback and nudge, PM me.

Really impressed. SS at 1.75 it's so clear. Running a GTX 1080 with i5 8600k and 16gb ram and it's playing well.

Same here!

if you don't know computers well or understand how they work, I would advise you don't do this. Strongly advise and I'm someone that has worked on these things for years.

Man I just want to buy one of these pinsim controllers but hardware only. Where can I buy? I don't need software.

wow that's crazy. The profit margins on these things is INSANE

I don't understand why folks are buying big bulky virtual pins when you can get a VR system and play vpx in virtual reality. Not only is it a space saver but you get the depth that the 2d virtual pins can't provide which is HUGE. Yes you need a strong PC but still, you can buy a VR and amazing pc system for much less.

I don't think you understand how VR works. The entire game is in front of you as if you're there. You see all of those things go off, backbox, dmd ,etc. in real time. The entire game is in front of you. It's in 3d. It's crazy.

The one thing that really closes the loop is having a pinsim or something to hold onto while in VR which has real flipper buttons, lockdown bar, plunger, etc AND force feedback inside so you feel it too. The guy in AUS is selling this exact thing. That in combination with VR absolutely blows away the cabinet approach.

See my post above. Pinsim would be the icing on the cake. The only downside is having something on your head. I just can't have it on my face more than an hour.

Play vr with force feedback and resolution with the latest vr sets is super clear

You need 120. Going high end don't get anything lower.

Get the Asus 4k monitor too not a tv.

Monitor is SO important. GPU 1080 is good enough but without the monitor, it's a no go. Good post

Great job. Looks awesome!

V pinball was the best. Major loss here. Hopefully the host reconsiders

have it shipped! I've seen this in person and it's really nice. Owner is great as well.

Is there force feedback/solenoids?

Real pinball + vr pinball for all the old games= perfection.

With the exception of nudging these new version of tables in vr are unbelievable. If someone denies it they just haven’t tried it properly configured on a pc running 3090 in vr. Simple as that. No it won’t replace but def supplements

I love virtual pinball, play the latest with the best tools to do so.

It will NEVER replace real pinball.

For the guys looking for plug and play and not expecting to know anything about how this all works, something is going to break and will lead to frustration. Nature of pc. Just be aware of that.

Also this ultra vp machine it’s so over priced it’s ridiculous. I know many who are buying have no idea how this all comes together but for someone who does, man that is a killing for them.

What bothers me is like someone said - the pf tv on this is garbage and still costs a ton. Everyone - you need a monitor that is 120hz. It’s required to make the game feel smooth.

Forget virtual pinball builds that take up a a lot of space and are 2d. Go with virtual reality vive index with vp vr. Basically Vpx in 3d

yes - your eyes can def discern more than 60hz. In the PC gaming world, it goes to 240+. No doubt for pinball, 60 is barely acceptable and for this price, this company is really gauging. My eyeballs can confirm this with VPX haha.

To power 120hz, the gpu needs to be good, not amazing. I haven't checked the PC specs but knowing what else the company is offering, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't enough. Again - good on them for offering plug and play but for anyone to be happy with the pricing attached, is crazy. Price is insane.

You need a monitor. TVs, unless equipped with 120hz, will really cause a lot of ball stutter as many mentioned already. I'm just saying the price being charged here - you should either have a better tv or a proper monitor vs what they are giving.

Sorry but you need to see a setup with 120 and you will instantly see what I mean. 60hz vs 120hz when it comes to vpx is important. It’s just a fact.

Yep - I agree. You are definitely missing.

Yes you are exactly right. Input lag is also critical to be low. That’s why a monitor is perfect. They are typically the lowest you can find out there and pair that with 120 and it’s vpx bliss

All I know is that when I retire and have more time, I will be building and selling vpins. My god the market on this especially considering what people will pay!

Thinking I’ll get a builder and I’ll do the software side!

Reading this thread and seeing the prices being charged for these "ultra" VP machines is borderline sickening. The upcharge for these machines is ridiculous since the games being played on them are free and not a product of their own (nor should they be sold as such). It's bad enough what is happening with the NIB prices of real games but at least they're creating the experience themselves. These guys are just building a template cab and then using the work of others to actually make it desirable.

Do yourself a favor and ask around the community to find someone to pay to build this. I'm sure the charge would be much cheaper vs. these ripoffs online. Majority of these guys use displays and GPUs that are subpar on top of it. Or get into the VR scene and play it that way. Just know that if you go with these website guys, you're absolutely being ripped off big time.

Rant over -

but you def don't get what you pay for. Look - I get having to convince someone that spending 9k is cool. I get it. I'm just trying to alert others who don't know any better.

I've built these things - it is as bad as it seems. Price is so ridiculous - they are feeding on the folks who clearly have no idea.

Dual 3080's are not 5k. That is my point. Even with the market crazy, they are not 5k for two. See below - and there are a ton more. 1500 max for new? 3k at most and that's just blindly on ebay.

ebay.com link: itm

Not here to go back and forth - I know I'm right. I just feel bad for the folks who have no idea about virtual (likely 80% of the people buying them) and they spend 9k. Complete BS and trying to help them avoid being scammed.

Well said

This is not meant to be a response to the previous post as I can completely understand the amount of time spent on helping others and insurance considerations.

Speaking from experience on many virtual systems that I’ve either built or bought pre made, solenoids are absolutely positively 100% necessary. Otherwise buy a monitor turn it vertical and call it a day.

that looks great

Virtual needs a really good version of shadow!

So just a plug for a recent VR headset I got that has really helped me with VPX VR.

Big screen beyond.

I've owned almost all of these headsets. They always felt uncomfortable. This one changes that with how light it is - like a pair of swim goggles. OLED screens - gorgeous color. FOV pretty good and although there is glare, you can't really see it in game.

Highly recommend for something like VR pinball where you are looking down and the weight of that damn headset becomes even more important. Paired with a 4090 and pin cab with force feedback at 75-90hz, it's the best I've ever experienced.

Big screen beyond

Mentioned it in my post but I guess I could of made it more obvious!

The name of it is Big screen beyond.