Yeah I'd be pretty wary buying a pin all set up with software. If something breaks you're going to be in for a real headache trying to figure it all out later. If you do it yourself you know what needs to be done to fix it.

Yeah as much as I love the work the community has done in the virtual pin world it's very much a hodge podge of programs on top of programs and when things go wrong sometimes it's impossible to figure out without just resetting everything.

For some reason half the time my GF tries to play our vpin she does something that makes it not work right. I typically have to reboot and make sure everything is turned on and loaded up in the right order. It can be very finicky and I'd be totally lost without having gone through the whole process once.

Anyone here try VPX VR with an actual vpin so it feels like you're standing at the table?

I really liked it, more than playing on a screen by a long shot. I played better and understood the tables far better than on a screen.The problem is compatibility is not great with tables at the moment and worst of all, the headset gets so uncomfortable.

Looking down in a VR headset is a bad experience. It's heavy and tires your neck out and you have to constantly adjust it to find the sweet spot.
The day that VR headsets wear like glasses is the day I invest in a full VR pin setup. In fact I think when VR is run of the mill and light/easy to use you will see a huge boost in vpin users.

The baller installer makes things pretty easy to set up, but it's still a bit of a slog to get through. I'd only do it if there are some tables you really want to play that you can't get on 9.

The feature list is really going to dictate which is best.
4k and greater than 60hz go along way to making the screen look better and the ball seem less laggy. Real solenoids also tend to make a good difference in giving you the feeling you're playing a real table.
Surround Sound feedback is huge for immersion.

Based on what gregh43 is saying it sounds like the Adrenaline one has what you're looking for. My only concern is that the computer they include can handle 4k @120hz. If you're playing VPX that takes a pretty beefy computer.

The ones I've seen that are very expensive tend to have pretty strong PCs in them, and remember the GPU alone can easily be >$1500 these days. When you price it out with a dozen real solenoids and all of the other DOF bells and whistles, a 4k 120hz screen and more it actually isn't as bad as it seems.

I thought the same when I first got into this and after building my own realized they aren't actually that overpriced.
A guy near me builds them with every bell and whistle you can imagine and dual 3080's (Almost $5000 in video cards alone) and sells them for around $10k Canadian.

It can definitely be done cheaper but it's not exactly an easy build and setup and I can see why a lot of people who aren't DIY or computer people would pay the premium to just have it ready to go.

I should have been more clear, I was talking Canadian. $1500 for each card + tax is pretty close to $5k Canadian.,

And like I said, I've built them myself and yeah they are overpriced but not nearly by as much as you're saying. Talking US prices $1500+ taxes for both video cards is already over $3k on the cards alone. The rest of the computer is another grand at least, then a dozen solenoids etc. It's really not that overpriced when you take into account the labor that goes into it.

I'm a computer guy and setting it up still took me several days of trial and error to get everything right. For someone who doesn't know computers and doesn't do DIY that's pretty much not an option. They would be tearing their hair out trying to get all of the software to work right together, get the DOF setup etc. The people buying these machines are typically not capable of doing what you and I did in building their own.

Price it out and not including labor you might be saving a grand or two? For the amount of hours it takes to put one of these together and set up the software I think that's reasonable for a lot of people. Even little things like mounting the screen and getting a bezel that looks nice can be a huge pain in the ass. To have it just done for you already is worth it for a lot of people.

I think the best thing about doing it yourself is you can choose exactly what options you want. I would probably never spend 9k on a vpin because I don't think things like flashers are worth it. One criticism I have of a lot of these pre built ones is they throw every bell and whistle in there and most are not really necessary.