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VID's Guide to Upgrading/Rebuilding Flippers

By vid1900

9 years ago

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Post #6 Get the right EOS switch Posted by vid1900 (9 years ago)

Post #8 Make System 11 Flippers Feel Tight Like Fliptronic Posted by vid1900 (9 years ago)

Post #88 Replace Old Series Coils With New Parallel Coils Posted by vid1900 (9 years ago)

Post #140 Udate Old Solid State Flippers Into Fliptronic Style Posted by vid1900 (8 years ago)

Post #292 List of games with longer/shorter flipper travel Posted by vid1900 (8 years ago)

Post #294 Rebuilding 1967-1979 Flippers Posted by vid1900 (8 years ago)

Post #390 Coil stop differences between system 11 and Fliptronic Posted by vid1900 (7 years ago)

Post #520 Rebuilding Bally Linear Flippers Posted by vid1900 (7 years ago)

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#2675 41 days ago

Before I dive too deep, could someone let me know if I can use this guide to fully replace and upgrade Data East Secret Service solid state flippers to Fliptronic?

I've been dogged with a bad upper flipper problem I cant seem to fix and will just totally replace, but wondered about upgrading? I'm kind of a noob, but pretty confident, but also realizing that Data East machines are kind of oddballs. So will this fliptronic full replace just work with Data East boards and electornics? Thx

#2677 40 days ago
Quoted from slochar:

Secret Service would be rebuilt similar to a williams system 11 flipper - it's not a solid state flipper on that game. That started with Robocop.

Thanks slochar but if I want to upgrade to something more "snappy" as Vid1900 suggests can I do the conversion to fliptronic or something newer or will there be problems with the boards, voltage, and/or electronics? Seems like if it fits on the machine then it should be ok, reading through the details here.

#2680 40 days ago
Quoted from Grandnational007:

The upgrade to WPC style flipper mechs on a system 11 is replacing the standard conical spring that sits around the plunger and pushes the the flipper back to rest when not activated, with the WPC style return spring (and associated arm extension on the flipper pawl) that pulls the flipper back to rest after flipping.
The WPC style feels snappier because it doesn't induce any drag on the coil plunger, and especially over time since it doesn't wear into the plunger or link.
Upgrading to WPC style is purely mechanical, and in no way effects the electronics of the game (assuming the flipper pawl extension still makes appropriate contact with the eos switch)
I just did this to a Taxi I picked up a little while ago. Simple and effective. Literally changing the spring style and adding the arm to hang it from.

Yes, this is the one I am doing, and not Fliptronic (which I see now have a driver board and are a whole different thing), thanks for clarifying Grandnational007. I think I got caught up in the additional change of serial to parallel coils, which seems like it can also just be done as well in a system 11 Secret Service without any worry.

#2684 39 days ago
Quoted from Grandnational007:

Secret Service is a Data East game, and not a system 11 (Bally/Williams) game, though there were, shall we call them, certain liberties taken by DE, so there are many things that are *cough *cough "coincidentally" similar, and thus, compatible.

yeah, Im aware its not a "real" system 11, and that's what I was alluding to in saying DE are 'oddballs' in that sometimes online (here and elsewhere) they get lumped in with System 11 and other times there is a distinction. Which makes sense. It can be hard for someone new in the hobby to figure out the specifics, especially when buying parts or trying to do repairs. So im grateful for everyone's help!

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