Looks like the haters post... while everyone else who really likes this game is out playing.

I haven't bought a NIB in many many years and I'm pre-ordered. Best art/layout combination in years IMHO, and with Lyman programming, I'm sure it will be equally strong in the programming dept. You want simple shots, yeah probably not your cup of tea. But for those of us that HATE 1/2 hour long games, its a refreshing change from Stern.

Personally, AC/DC to me is fun sure. And the music rocks. But that lower playfield is a friggin waste of damn time and isn't even "real" pinball to me. Its like playing pachinko. Stupid stupid stupid. It was a toss up for me AC/DC Prem or Met LE, and I have a feeling for me personally, I chose wisely.

I don't understand how people base the purchase of a $4-$6k item on videos of "other" people playing it.

Would you decide what car you want to buy after watching the salesman driving it around the lot?

I plan to "test drive" this bad boy myself before making my final decision.

Too early to pay attention to anything right now. As we have seen before some of the best pins today were trashed early on and some of the worst pins were given positive early reviews... who knows, give it 6 weeks.

Great design and awesome art. The nonstop fast music is a bit more than I can handle the way they are utilizing it. Not sure this one will ever appeal to the masses.

Installed 1.06 last night and played maybe 10 games...

Sorry Lyman but you need more FLOW!!

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Lyman it's time show us you're king of the software

I've played it extensively here in the TC at Mortimer's, if you're referencing my post.

Yep, owners and confirmed buyers can discuss the vid here:

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-owners-thread/

I don't mind the criticism, but the comparisons to AC/DC are getting old and tired already.

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First off I am not a stern employee; second off I am just a collector for the past 13 plus years that has been supporting pinball and always willing to help out fellow collectors. Also I have not been saying anything negative about jersey jack lately. Also I found it un professional how Jack bashed on Stern non stop at first; which is what I did not understand and lastly hmm lets see what did I complain about on WOZ lack of flow and ramps. If you read the press release for Hobbit; then they must have been listening because they specified lots of metal ramps and fast flowing game too.

Lyman hasn't designed a game yet, but it is worth thinking about that the software supports the design.

Also Lyman tends to update software on games more times than that hack Lonnie, so it can be assumed there will be more updates on Metallica.

Wasn't necessarily referencing any one particular post, PinMan. More an overall amazement that people on the boards seem to make up their mind (at least to a certain extent) about such a large purchase based on short videos, pics, etc.

But then I'm relatively new to these forums, so it may be just the passionate nature of the folks who love this hobby.

That being said, I saw that pic of Ritchie on the Stern FB page with the laser pointer. It pretty much made me hate the new Star Trek pin from a "flow" standpoint.

I carefully watched this video and here is what is going on. It took me a little while to figure it out.

1) Look at the back legs. They have this game sitting on the ground. That is slowing the ball down significantly.

2) Those slings are not set up the way the slings are at Enchanted Castle. In Lyman's game, he hits the left and right slings several times where the ball does not even move.

They obviously set this game up at Stern to maximize ball times so that he can demonstrate the various shots and modes.

My recommendation is to go out and play the game. If it is set up right, this game is really very fast. The balls keep coming at you until you start a multiball. Sure, you can trap it, but you can do that on any game if you have the skill. Again, give it a try.

Pinside needs some Stern Moderators to shut you haters up !

Can you imagine the shit fest we would have on our hands if this was a WOZ thread!

We would have the dorks come in and say ," Look all the usual suspects hating in every thread"

Anyways carry on, this stuff is great !

With the high re-sale value of pins, buyers can afford to take a gamble on buying a NIB without playing one first. Really, you can buy a pin NIB, play it for a month and if it isn't your cup of tea you can usually sell it for only a few hundred dollar loss. That's not a bad price to pay for entertainment. You can blow a few hundred in less fun ways than buying a NIB pinball. Now, if these machines dropped 25% or 50% of their value you could bet that everyone would be playing them first before committing to buying. It's really not that big of a risk....

So, if someone doesn't agree with you, they're a hater?

Hater.

the callouts are horrendous.

I was speaking to his playing style in the video above, not his programming.

Where have you been ? That is how pinside works . Hater

Touche. However, the big difference here is my feedback is based on the fact I'VE ACTUALLY PLAYED BOTH GAMES. Sure still just my viewpoint, but those that haven't even played MET bashing it based on a video is just plain ignorant.

There are a bunch of Metallica's out there now. Being so new, I know a lot of people have sought them out. I'm not sure what percentage of people have played them or not, but I don't think it's safe to assume that most people haven't by now.

Unless something has changed, Sterns are supposed to have the levelers all the way down in the back. Of course, if someone wants to make the game steeper than 6.5 degrees, they can do that. I doubt if anyone has messed with the slings. I'll bet the game at Stern has more play on it and the leaf switches may have bent back a bit.

I love the the layout. This is a Mans pin! I want it to be hard. Easy pins get kicked to the curb in my house. Great job playing with a camera over your shoulder.

What I got from Lymans Video....

1. The right ramp is back handable @ 14:45 he does it with ease.
2. The side to side action (challenging in IM and ACDC Pro) is mitigated by the right scoop and the Fuel shot.
3. Great lighting even for the Pro. Is that a LED under right ramp.
4. FUEL hurry up engine sound = American V8 Muscle = Good old days!
5. Seems very balanced.
6. Combos are active and love the call outs so far.
7. Modes stackable.
8. Challenging shots mixed with easy shots. Good for both novice players and experts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gzxc59Y6GcA

agree...

I agree. We have a very recent example of this with Avengers. All of the early reviews were extremely positive, and virtually all of the first owners praised the hell out of it in terms of game play (there were discussions of QC issues early on), then...it started to get more and more negative reviews and has taken a similar course to X-Men.

May take more than 6 weeks to get a more accurate feel for the reviews.

Also, like others have said, it's hard to gauge how the pin really plays by watching a video. Needs to be done in person.

Really? The call outs are the worst thing about the pin so far in my opinion.

Yet you are here_ reading a Metallica video thread.

How does it feel to put your head through a plate glass window? Is that something good?

I hope the game is great but hated by all.

That way I can get a HUO pro for $3000

A Tony Hawk pin would look legit next to a Metallica machine.... Cough ahem hint

ALL early reviews? I never said Avengers was good... ever. I knew that was a turd when I saw the layout and ramps, if can call them that. X men I like when I figure out the rules.

I would look back to ACDC reviews which were mixed. I said homerun from day one I played it 3 hours straight. Metallica I havent played yet. If it plays anything like my AFM or MB Ill be saying Grand-slam Stern.

All are? Be specific man.

I like Sparky. Saying Lets GO!! I like the Snake burping. James saying hit the Ramp and JACKPOT! As long as they arent repeating alot Im good. Plus this early code callouts.

He picked Battery like a boss. Heavy guitar in your face. Luckily for you as with ACDC you can pic a slower song.

Only if you want a nap. Stern games should play steep and fast. I can't stand to play any Tron that doesn't have its back levelers out about two inches. If I was short, I'd be tempted to replace the front legs with Williams legs instead of jacking up the back levelers.

I can beat Lyman Sheats?? Haha, probably not.

I'm sure you can. I'm an ok player at best and I beat Lyman in two games at the first round of Pinferno. I went downhill after that and he came back and was at the top in the end. Everyone has good/bad games.

This game looks pretty brutal, the ramps are very tight and don't seem tied to any modes as of yet, so not as worth going for. The shots Lyman is aiming for all give a pretty dangerous return. I see he waits for multiball to try to hit some of the "dangerous" left bank shots, but all I was thinking is that damn near every shot on this game is dangerous. As someone who likes the risk v. reward aspect of some games, Metallica seems disappointing in that category.

meh.

Man, I wish there was a way to subscribe to your posts since you are such a grandmaster of picking what games are good and bad.

Are any games inbetween "homerun" and "turd" for you? You seem to be a big cheerleader or absolute hater as far as titles go.

I don't think he was shooting for score. He was trying to demonstrate each mb mode. Lightning and DMD. And the call outs. I'm sure he is looking for constructive feedback at this point of the code.

Shots aren't that dangerous. Nothing like Bsd. Or IM.

No need to pick just one pinsider , we all have opinions and some are stronger than others.. Pinside will show you the light !

i'm blown away from all the negative comments made about this machine. it's going to be a 2 flipper masterpiece once the codes are finished. no more bulky toys in the lower pf, tighter shots you have to earn, 3 great mb modes, and I like the music and the callouts by the band. I remember xmen and trons first codes (they were even worse than what I've seen here). once he releases 2 or 3 more updates its going to insane!
thanks for posting the video!

The worst one i heard was the "super jackpot" callout at 11:13 ish. I thought someone filming or lyman said it when i heard it at first. I didn't notice the callouts being bad until i started listening more intently after hearing that one. James' callouts are pretty awful IMHO. Is that a reason not to buy the game? nah.

Agreed Balls of Steel. Blown away. Look at Spiderman early code too. Now a 6K game.

Mccune and I will show you the way. Many opinions here. Just trying to help those from getting burned. I like baseball so I use Homerun alot. Turd instead of Sh..t

I agree he bricks alot at the start, but he starts getting into it in the last 1/3 of the video. He probably has zero time on that exact machine in that exact spot. Once you've played your own game enough you learn the shots, angles, bounces, etc alot better..

I think it looks fun to shoot, hope Lyman spends lots of time with the code, and some sounds are axed/changed...

To lock balls in Coffin MB you have to hit ALL guitar picks. Then the captive ball. I see him doing this in the first 3 minutes. Watch it again and watch the guitar pics.

Some are calling this missed/bricked shots.

Link for your convenience

This is exactly how I look at it too.

No one aims for those target's, It'a a bricked shot

Game looks great to me. Pinball is not a spectator sport, so it's hard to get a good feel for the game from a video.. but I like the theme, layout, and the code is infantile but you can bet that Lyman is full of pride when it comes to his work on these games, and Metallica will bloom over time IMO.

so, you are saying you have no vested interest in how well Stern games do???

You are just a collector? No affiliation???

I have known derek for years. He is just siked for pinball. Thats it.

Lyman is the man!

So, like, "bricks with benefits"?