Well, I should have been more clear; sorry.

if you don't have a PinWiki account already. get one and then log in.

Then just above the title, there will be a series of tabs, and one that says "edit".

Go to the edit tab and add the info about your vehicle.

Thanks.

Robert

This is good info, hope everyone is editing the PinWiki info.

Robert

Can anyone confirm that a pin won't fit (without taking the head off) in Jeep Grand Cherokee from 2005 and up?

Robert

Can anyone confirm (or deny) that a pin will fit in a 2011 Grand Cherokee?

I measured one, didn't have a pin in my pocket, and it measures that one should fit, with the head folded.

Just looking for some first hand knowledge.

Robert

Anyone have any 2011 Grand Cherokee knowledge?

Robert

Well I tried tonight and was able to get a BSD in the back of a 2011 grand Cherokee. It was a loaner I got from a local dealer.

It's a standard version, so I don't know if options change anything.

It has about 30 1/4 inch vertical clearance carpet to opening bottom; giving about 1/2 inch clearance with the BSD head.

Don't know about other games/manufacturers, but apparently a Williams WPC does fit.

Robert

To those that PM'd me, the BSD coin slots were toward the rear door.

Tape measure is only good for obvious sizes, like the opening is 27" or 35". If the opening is notionally just slightly larger than the pinball measurement...and the floor is sloped, or there is a lip on the door area, or some other feature; then the tape measure method is not acceptable.

Robert

Someone PM's me asking how I got the machine in the Jeep...here was my response:

2 people, though I could have done it myself...with some risk.

Pulled the back end of the BSD up to the back of the jeep, rotated it so 1 back leg was right at the back plastic bumper.

Took that leg off and then lifted that corner into the back of the jeep about 3".

Took the other back leg off and lifted that end into the jeep and rotated the machine so it aligned.

Pushed the machine in until the front legs were just off the back end of the jeep.

Removed both front legs.

Pushed the machine the rest of the way in

Closed the rear gate.

I had a piece of cardboard down on the carpet. If you have one of these jeeps, I suggest getting a sheet of Formica and cutting it to fit.

It's thin, and will allow the pin to slide easily...there isn't enough space to roll the machine on dowels or sprinkler pipe.

Robert

Don't know of any database with that info.

Every manufacturer appears to be slightly different, and different pins within a manufactures line varied too.

Robert

To fit most games, one needs ABOUT, 24 inches horizontal clearance, 30 1/2 inches vertical clearance and 60 inches depth at the opening; the opening is usually smaller than the interior.

Robert

Since there have been a lot of questions recently, I thought I'd resurrect this thread...please add any info you have here.

Thanks.

Robert

Well, it's a fifth generation...so all of them should be the same...right?

Robert

I don't know...as a pin barely (~0.25" to 0.5") fits in my 2012 GC.

Robert

This...

Yes...1999 thru 2004 fit a game. 2005 thru 2010 don't due to not enough vertical clearance...unless you remove the head. 2011 thru at least 2012 and probably 2015 will fit a game, but there is not a lot of vertical clearance.

Robert

One big bump & it's in the street.

Robert

Probably a good chance that the graphics would get f'd up.

Robert

My 2012 fits a pin..barley, so I'd guess a '15 would too.

Robert

The issue is distance from the plastic piece in the floor to the plastic piece at the top...the door interface strip that is inside.

The measurement isn't exact as the top of the door is forward of the bottom of the door on the Jeep GC.

So the measurement is made from the top of the bottom piece to a point in space directly above it (vertical) in line with the bottom of the top piece. If you measure on the slant, the measurement will be larger than the opening.

Robert

Yes, for the Grand Cherokee...the 1999 - 2004 work and the 2011 & up work, but the 2005 - 2010 don't.

Robert

I use a sheet of marlite (turned so I slide on the backside)...a sheet of luan or other thin material would work too. That type of material is thin, so it doesn't increase the game height appreciably for those that have "just enough" clearance to slide in a game.

It is also a lot more rugged than cardboard which almost always tears when you push in the game, as 1 corner usually digs in.

The only downside is that it is relatively slick, so don't accelerate or stop too quickly or the game will slide.

Robert

The 2011 thru 2016 Grand Cherokee will fit an original Spiderman pin...barley.

Don't have the measurements for the other pinball manufacturers versions. You'd have to fold down a few backboxes and do a measurement.

The real issue is the "floor" to rear hatch distance. This measurement is further complicated by the plastic lip on the floor of the SUV and its relationship with the bottom of the hatch.

Robert

The easiest way to determine fit is to measure on some of these vehicles.

Just remember is you put anything under the game to help slide it in or if there is a lip at the bottom end of floor (and every SUV I've seen has one) that takes up space too.

So a rule of thumb (I use) is that a straight bottom of vehicle floor and the top opening of the roof the measurement needs to be 31 inches minimum. No guarantees, but if you have this space, a game should fit easily without loosing and sliding the head.

Robert

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The space needed for most pinball games is about 31 inches. My 2012 Grand Cherokee has 30.75" clearance and a Stern Spiderman just fits...probably an 1/8" clearance if I remember correctly.

The issue with the 31" measurement is the lip at the bottom of the opening. In my Jeep, the lip is about 1/4" above the floor, but in some vehicles it can be an inch high.

What makes this measurement tricky is that the lip is usually not directly below the opening edge at the top. So measuring at an angle (lip to top) gives a deceiving number, that is this measurement is larger than the actual opening.

If it's important to be able to put a pinball in the back and the opening is about 31", some consideration needs to be taken in the height of the lip above the floor and where the lip is in relation to the opening edge at the top.

Remember that the pinball game needs to ride on the lip while it slides into the back, and it only drops down to floor level after it passes the lip. In my experience, it's the last 2 or 3 inches of sliding the game in when the game is still on the lip and the head is starting to approach the opening edge at the top.

Robert

Some info here...

Robert

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vehicles-that-a-pinball-machine-fits-in?tq=edge&tu=

A V-8 (5,7L, 360 Hp & 390 ft-lb torque) Grand Cherokee can hold a pin and haul 7000#...and probably be at least $10k less than the BMW.

Robert

Go to the top of the page and click on the "Find in Topic" line. Then enter "Durango".

You will be rewarded... I hope.

Robert

I think that the dimensions of the 2011 thru present are identical for the 3rd generation Durango.

Someone moved 2 in a 2015, so more than likely you can in a 2011 too, depending on the machine...as they are a bit different. Probably can't move 2 wide bodies.

Robert

That's a lot of van or trailer rental fees!

Robert

To those new to this thread, to find out about a specific vehicle, go to near the top of this web page (on the right hand side).

Locate the search engine called "Find in Topic". It's about 4-inches from the top of this page.

In the box "Posts Containing Key Word(s)", enter the vehicle you are interested in...and hit enter

You will be rewarded... I hope.

Robert

To those wanting to know about a certain vehicle, it may already be in this thread.

So to find out if info on a vehicle exists:

1. Go to the top of the page and click on the "Find in Topic" line.
2. Then enter "your vehicle"
3. Hit "Find"

You may be rewarded...

Robert

The space needed for most pinball games is about 31 inches. My 2012 Grand Cherokee has 30.75" clearance and a Stern Spiderman just fits...probably an 1/8" clearance if I remember correctly.

The issue with the 31" measurement is the lip at the bottom of the opening. In my Jeep, the lip is about 1/4" above the floor, but in some vehicles it can be an inch high.

What makes this measurement tricky is that the lip is usually not directly below the opening edge at the top. So measuring at an angle (lip to top) gives a deceiving number, that is this measurement is larger than the actual opening.

If it's important to be able to put a pinball in the back and the opening is about 31", some consideration needs to be taken in the height of the lip above the floor and where the lip is in relation to the opening edge at the top.

Remember that the pinball game needs to ride on the lip while it slides into the back, and it only drops down to floor level after it passes the lip. In my experience, it's the last 2 or 3 inches of sliding the game in when the game is still on the lip and the head is starting to approach the opening edge at the top.

Robert

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That’s what I have used for years. The only issue is that I need to be careful acceleration and braking as the game can slide on the Masonite.

Robert

That has a big lip in the rear area!

Robert

I re-post this occasionally for information as people sometimes don't want to read through pages and pages of posts:

The space needed for most pinball games is about 31 inches. My 2012 Grand Cherokee has 30.75" clearance and a Stern Spiderman just fits...probably an 1/8" clearance if I remember correctly.

The issue with the 31" measurement is the lip at the bottom of the opening. In my Jeep, the lip is about 1/4" above the floor, but in some vehicles it can be an inch high.

What makes this measurement tricky is that the lip is usually not directly below the opening edge at the top. So measuring at an angle (lip to top) gives a deceiving number, that is this measurement is larger than the actual opening.

If it's important to be able to put a pinball in the back and the opening is about 31", some consideration needs to be taken in the height of the lip above the floor and where the lip is in relation to the opening edge at the top.

Remember that the pinball game needs to ride on the lip while it slides into the back, and it only drops down to floor level after it passes the lip. In my experience, it's the last 2 or 3 inches of sliding the game in when the game is still on the lip and the head is starting to approach the opening edge at the top.

Robert

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I re-post this for info too:

To those new to this thread, to find out about a specific vehicle, go to near the top of this web page (on the right hand side).

Locate the search engine called "Find in Topic". It's about 4-inches from the top of this page.

In the box "Posts Containing Key Word(s)", enter the vehicle you are interested in...and hit enter

You will be rewarded... I hope.

Robert

I re-post this for info too:
To those new to this thread, to find out about a specific vehicle, go to near the top of this web page (on the right hand side).
Locate the search engine called "Find in Topic". It's about 4-inches from the top of this page.
In the box "Posts Containing Key Word(s)", enter the vehicle you are interested in...and hit enter
You will be rewarded... I hope.
Robert

I re-post this occasionally for information as people sometimes don't want to read through pages and pages of posts:
The space needed for most pinball games is about 31 inches. My 2012 Grand Cherokee has 30.75" clearance and a Stern Spiderman just fits...probably an 1/8" clearance if I remember correctly.
The issue with the 31" measurement is the lip at the bottom of the opening. In my Jeep, the lip is about 1/4" above the floor, but in some vehicles it can be an inch high.
What makes this measurement tricky is that the lip is usually not directly below the opening edge at the top. So measuring at an angle (lip to top) gives a deceiving number, that is this measurement is larger than the actual opening.
If it's important to be able to put a pinball in the back and the opening is about 31", some consideration needs to be taken in the height of the lip above the floor and where the lip is in relation to the opening edge at the top.
Remember that the pinball game needs to ride on the lip while it slides into the back, and it only drops down to floor level after it passes the lip. In my experience, it's the last 2 or 3 inches of sliding the game in when the game is still on the lip and the head is starting to approach the opening edge at the top.
Robert

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To those new to this thread, to find out about a specific vehicle, go to near the top of this web page (on the right hand side).

Locate the search engine called "Find in Topic". It's about 4-inches from the top of this page.

In the box "Posts Containing Key Word(s)", enter the vehicle you are interested in...and hit enter

You will be rewarded... I hope.

Robert

To those new to this thread, to find out about a specific vehicle, go to near the top of this web page (on the right hand side).
Locate the search engine called "Find in Topic". It's about 4-inches from the top of this page.
In the box "Posts Containing Key Word(s)", enter the vehicle you are interested in...and hit enter
You will be rewarded... I hope.
Robert

To those wanting to know about a certain vehicle, it may already be in this thread.
So to find out if info on a vehicle exists:
1. Go to the top of the page and click on the "Find in Topic" line.
2. Then enter "your vehicle"
3. Hit "Find"
You may be rewarded...
Robert

Not entirely clear on what page you are referring to?

Robert

If you have a pinwiki account, you can edit info in it.

I entered you info ( check it).

Robert

I very rarely move a pinball game and when I do there is almost no time that I wanted to move 2 at the same time. It has happened, but only once I think.

When I looked at the cost of a vehicle, maintenance/repair and license...one would have to haul a lot of pinball games to make it cost effective, like a pinball business owner.

So, I just bought a Grand Cherokee that I use as my daily driver and trip vehicle and the occasional pinball mover. Sure, It can only haul 1 game at a time, but that's really enough for me. If The game is further than 3 hours away, I'd probably have someone bring it to me or not buy it since I can't see it first hand.

If I really want to move a couple of games, I'd either borrow a pickup or rent a van/pickup at Avis. For me I can get a full size pickup or van for about $160 for ~3 days. So I can do a lot of rentals for the cost of a vehicle.

Robert

That’s a great solution if one has a hitch.

Robert

PS: Not sure where you live exactly, but probably not too far from my brother.

To those wanting to know about a certain vehicle, it may already be in this thread.

So to find out if info on a vehicle exists:

1. Go to the top of the page and click on the "Find in Topic" line.
2. Then enter "your vehicle"
3. Hit "Find"

You may be rewarded...

Robert

I started this thread about 11 years ago.

Since then the number of SUVs that a game fits in, without sliding the head, seems to get smaller every year. Probably to get better fuel economy, things get smaller and less high in the back.

I don't visit this thread much anymore, as I still have my 2012 Grand Cherokee...that games barely fit in.

I want to thank all those who have kept this thread going.

Robert

I re-post this occasionally for information as people sometimes don't want to read through pages and pages of posts:

The space needed for most pinball games is about 31 inches. My 2012 Grand Cherokee has 30.75" clearance and a Stern Spiderman just fits...probably an 1/8" clearance if I remember correctly.

The issue with the 31" measurement is the lip at the bottom of the opening. In my Jeep, the lip is about 1/4" above the floor, but in some vehicles it can be an inch high.

What makes this measurement tricky is that the lip is usually not directly below the opening edge at the top. So measuring at an angle (lip to top) gives a deceiving number, that is this measurement is larger than the actual opening.

If it's important to be able to put a pinball in the back and the opening is about 31", some consideration needs to be taken in the height of the lip above the floor and where the lip is in relation to the opening edge at the top.

Remember that the pinball game needs to ride on the lip while it slides into the back, and it only drops down to floor level after it passes the lip. In my experience, it's the last 2 or 3 inches of sliding the game in when the game is still on the lip and the head is starting to approach the opening edge at the top.

Robert

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Yes, when your measured clearance is at about 31-inches the variance in manufacturer designs comes into play.

I should probably change 31” to 32”, to allow for any ongoing size variations.

Robert

The clearance of 31 or 32 inches necessary is a vertical measurement with no obstructions, like a raised lip on the bottom.

My guess is that all mfg games won’t fit. You might find some that will fit.

Robert

Very good point to mention.

Robert