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upper flipper flickering - bally hard body

By toasterman04

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Hey guys,
I have been struggling with this one. My upper right flipper flickers when i hold the flipper button in. I figured it was the diode on the coil or the coil itself. I have replaced it with a couple coils and not resolved it.
Im stuck… any ideas? I would be willing to donate $20 to pinside for some resolution.

#2 2 years ago

Ok i replaced the second switch on the main flipper, hoping that would work. NOPE.

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#3 2 years ago

I own Hardbody and had the same exact issue sometime in June.

For me it was a dirty connector somewhere. Either at the flipper button or one of the switch connectors at the lower flipper, I can't remember which.

It was just that though, a bad connection. I didn't have to replace anything.

#4 2 years ago

Have you checked the leaf switch at the flipper button?

#5 2 years ago
Quoted from toasterman04:

Ok i replaced the second switch on the main flipper, hoping that would work. NOPE.
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I've had new eos switches that required a lite filing and then it worked. Perhaps try this on your second switch.

3 months later
#6 2 years ago

Cabinet flipper switch

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#7 2 years ago

Right hand lower flipper assembly

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#8 2 years ago

Upper right hand flipper

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#10 2 years ago

I cant see it being the cabinet flipper switch as if it was, the lower flipper would act up as well… right?!

#11 2 years ago
Quoted from toasterman04:

I cant see it being the cabinet flipper switch as if it was, the lower flipper would act up as well… right?!

Yeah, I would think so. I wonder if it is the coil acting up for some reason.

Or as others have said, a short or bad connection from the lower switch to that flipper.

#12 2 years ago

Mine did that exact same thing. For me it was the lower right flipper switches. I gave them a good sanding and the connection was fixed.

#13 2 years ago

The tungsten contacts used for these switches are seriously hard metal and require heavy duty filing with a new (IE: SHARP) points file.

I suspect you haven't ripped into them hard enough. These are not like the gold flashed contacts in newer machines that don't carry large currents. Under no circumstances should these newer contacts EVER be filed.

#14 2 years ago

Well… the lower flipper contacts are brand new, and i literally switched the upper switches to see if it followed …. Which it didn't … so couldn't be the switches.

Thats why i created this thread. It didnt make sense to me.

I will try to refile the the upper flipper contacts and see if that makes a difference.

#15 2 years ago

Re-filed upper flipper… with same result. Maybe switch out the upper contacts..

#16 2 years ago

Ok so if i activate both flippers it doesnt do it. So maybe it IS the flipper switch? I will swap left for right and see if that make a difference

#17 2 years ago

Ok… switched left and right cabinet flipper switches and it did not change

#18 2 years ago

I refiled the first switch on the lower flipper. Let see if that works.

#19 2 years ago
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#20 2 years ago

One of those blades looks pretty bent? Perhaps the contacts are not mating cleanly because of the bend?

#21 2 years ago

The problem is nothing to do with the EOS switch, you have an open circuit on the "hold" winding of the coil.

The EOS switch normally shorts the hold winding allowing maximum current through the thrust winding.
When the flipper reaches the end of stroke, the EOS switch opens adding the hold winding to the coil circuit to reduce current.
Because your hold winding is open circuit, the coil is collapsing causing the flipper to retract until the EOS switch makes contact again. This is then causing the machine gunning.

Carefully inspect the two very thin winding wires on the coil going to the middle lug and the lug with the two dark brown wires soldered, the thin wire might be broken at one of the lug.

#22 2 years ago

I replaced the upper coil with four other coils. And the problem continued. I also switched the lower flipper coils left to right and it didn't change anything either

#23 2 years ago

With the game OFF:
Place a piece of paper between that EOS switch on the problem upper flipper so the switch isn't making contact.

Grab your multi-meter and put it on ohms/resistance mode. If your meter isn't auto-ranging, then set it to the 2000 ohm scale.

Measure the resistance between the left outer lug and the middle lug of the coil. Then measure the resistance between the right outer lug and the middle lug of the coil.

Report the two resistance readings.

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#25 2 years ago

I know i have have switched the left and right coils around… but i guess i could try that again

#26 2 years ago

If I'm not mistaken, your measurement on the hold winding looks like 6.08 Mega ohms. That's an open circuit. That winding should measure about 320 ohms.
The measurement on the thrust winding you got of 3.3 ohms is good.

Carefully move the thin wire windings leading to the lugs to see if either is broken from the lug.

#27 2 years ago

Ok if that was the case, if i switched the left and right coil the problem should follow the coil right?!?

Ok i just ohmed the other upper flipper and i get the same readings as the right one, yet the left one works fine.

#28 2 years ago

And that thin winding wire is connected….

#29 2 years ago

Do these flipper switches need a diode maybe?

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#30 2 years ago

Ok it was months ago last time i had a crack at this… so i just now swithed the upper two flipper coils to see if the problem follows the coils…. One second….. stay tuned….

…… YUP…. 100% the coil!! The problem followed it. Boy oh boy …. I have no idea what i was doin last time i attempted this!!

Thanks pinside! I will send a donation for you guys chiming in and figuring it out with me!

#31 2 years ago
Quoted from toasterman04:

Ok it was months ago last time i had a crack at this… so i just now swithed the upper two flipper coils to see if the problem follows the coils…. One second….. stay tuned….
…… YUP…. 100% the coil!! The problem followed it. Boy oh boy …. I have no idea what i was doin last time i attempted this!!
Thanks pinside! I will send a donation for you guys chiming in and figuring it out with me!

Wow, the coil? I would not have suspected that.

Well done!

#32 2 years ago
Quoted from toasterman04:

…… YUP…. 100% the coil!! The problem followed it.

Glad you got it going!

Have a look if there's any damage to the thin winding wire/connection. They are usually repairable.

#33 2 years ago

Thanks a bunch Quench

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