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(Topic ID: 95144)

Upgrade speaker systems - are they worth it?


By Kazak

6 years ago



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  • Latest reply 6 years ago by TaylorVA
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#1 6 years ago

Am interested in knowing what kits are best, and do they make a significant difference. Also reviews on the headphone amp, and any audio line out mods for connection to external sound system. (my games: - TAF, Getaway, STTNG). Any other relevant info welcome.

#2 6 years ago

We currently do headphone kits for those titles. Our audio out boards for Wms/Bally games will be later this summer. We currently do a line out for stern sam sound board games.

Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com

#3 6 years ago

I bought Flipper Fidelity speakers (with sub upgrade) for my STTNG and the difference was very noticeable. Much better sound quality and bass response. Well worth the price.

#4 6 years ago

The FF kit rocks in my Tron LE. Certainly better than stock.

#5 6 years ago

I regret putting mine in my ST:TNG. I now use external speakers for all my machines. Cheaper, and better. I was really disappointed with the horrible sound quality. PanzerFreak did you clip the resistor or keep it as is? I did not, which is prob why I was disappointed. I get terrible crackle feedback.

#6 6 years ago

powered subwoofer is another fine choice

#7 6 years ago

I have upgraded the speakers on all my games. The one that I might not do again would be The Getaway--it only made a moderate difference.

#8 6 years ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

powered subwoofer is another fine choice

My MET still sounds tinny compared to ACDC when hooked up to the same polk subwoofer. I think with MET, the cabinet speaker is not producing decent enough midrange which the sub isn't going to help with much. ACDC on the other hand has a 12 inch cabinet speaker and has far better midrange - it's not even close. The sub is the icing on the cake, but I think something is still needed for midrange on MET.

Rob

#9 6 years ago

Did it on LOTR and it made a world of difference. I plan to upgrade Congo next to soften the tinny highs and get those drums booming with the lows.

#10 6 years ago

TAF and Getaway. Definitely worth it. The thunder on TAF was awesome and the LaGrange sounds so much better on HSII. Never owned a STTNG to comment on that.

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from Rob_G:

My MET still sounds tinny compared to ACDC when hooked up to the same polk subwoofer. I think with MET, the cabinet speaker is not producing decent enough midrange which the sub isn't going to help with much. ACDC on the other hand has a 12 inch cabinet speaker and has far better midrange - it's not even close. The sub is the icing on the cake, but I think something is still needed for midrange on MET.
Rob

When my sub went on MET I noticed that most of the voices and music come out it rather than backbox speakers. That makes it a very important component in the game which an external sub won't improve on, though for bass there's nothing better.

#12 6 years ago

Has anyone ever upgraded the speakers on The Simpsons Pinball Party?? if so which brand did you use and did you get great results??? Cheers

#13 6 years ago
Quoted from Baiter:

When my sub went on MET I noticed that most of the voices and music come out it rather than backbox speakers. That makes it a very important component in the game which an external sub won't improve on, though for bass there's nothing better.

This is only because the stock backbox speakers suck. Once you upgrade them to decent full-range speakers, you will hear all the music and voices out of them. Then you can put a real woofer in the cab just for the low end.

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#14 6 years ago
Quoted from Kazak:

Am interested in knowing what kits are best, and do they make a significant difference.

What about older Williams system 6 pins like Firepower.. Will a new speaker and sub make a difference knowing that the audio source ain't so good?

#15 6 years ago

Have a cheap little external sub hooked up to WW and JP. Actually seems to enhance WW more, except for the Feed T-Rex mode.

Anyone ever just upgrade back box speakers with some of the cheaper ones from Amazon? Would think it would be an upgrade over stock, don't really have a game where I am looking for awesome sound, just better sound. The JP speakers are garbage imo.
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#16 6 years ago

I have previously added Pinball Pro speakers to several of my '90s B/W games (with mostly good results). While waiting for the Stern Mustang premium pin I had ordered, for a change I purchased a set of Flipper Fidelity replacement/upgrade speakers for it. When the game came and a buddy and I unpacked it and fired it up we were surprised by the good sound (and at fairly loud levels) from the factory speakers. Both my buddy and a friend from work (who stopped by last week) felt there was no need to change out the Stern speakers. I will probably do so some time anyway, but I'm in no rush now.

#17 6 years ago

My Refinery Metallica has stock backbox speakers and POLK sub. Sounds incredible. I think Hemi removed the resistor that is attached to the stock speakers.

My AC/Dc has Pinball pro backbox speakers and a polk sub. Sounds OK but not as clear and nearly not as loud as my Metallica. I still have the stock speakers so I may switch them back some day. Don't understand it but my next Stern I am keeping the stock back box speakers.

#18 6 years ago
Quoted from Kazak:

Am interested in knowing what kits are best, and do they make a significant difference. Also reviews on the headphone amp, and any audio line out mods for connection to external sound system. (my games: - TAF, Getaway, STTNG). Any other relevant info welcome.

All three of those games show major sound improvements with Pinball Pro speakers.

Also headphone adapters by Buckwerx are priced well and install perfectly.

www.pinballpro.com
www.buckwerx.com

1 week later
#19 6 years ago

Pinnovators headphone kits have built in mute switch on the front of the plate, factory embossed plates, adjustable potentiometer to set the high and lows in the headphones, high end volume pot for full output control of the stern amp, single insulated coax cable front to back, and a built in audio output for adding a powered subwoofer to your game. Our advanced kit also included up and down game volume controls to adjust game volume with the door closed during game. If you wanted to turn the game volume up and down during play you lose the ball when you open the door. Our advanced controls fix that problem by letting you do that from outside the door.
Kits are $99 or $120 for the advanced model. Both models now include built in powered sub outputs.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com

#20 6 years ago

I just updated my RS and TZ. Noticeable improvement. Flipper Fidelity in the TZ. Pinball Pro in the RS.

#21 6 years ago

I have a Flipper Fidelity set in my Addams and I am very happy with the results for music and sounds. On STTNG I have stock speakers with an external Polk subwoofer; it's great for explosion sounds and bass notes.

#22 6 years ago

Husband used to work in home/car audio and recently upgraded a couple of our pins (LAH and JP) with Pioneer speakers in the back box. He's ordered new Pioneers for the cabinet, but in the meantime is bypassing the cabinet speaker and hooked the external Polk sub straight in. It sounds awesome, and cost less than $140 total per pin. All the pins are downstairs, but if you've standing upstairs in the general area over the pins it feels/sounds like you're being eaten by a Rex.

#23 6 years ago

I now have FF systems in my MM + MB and am impressed with both... Big improvement!

#24 6 years ago
Quoted from lllvjr:

Pinnovators headphone kits have built in mute switch on the front of the plate, factory embossed plates, adjustable potentiometer to set the high and lows in the headphones, high end volume pot for full output control of the stern amp, single insulated coax cable front to back, and a built in audio output for adding a powered subwoofer to your game. Our advanced kit also included up and down game volume controls to adjust game volume with the door closed during game. If you wanted to turn the game volume up and down during play you lose the ball when you open the door. Our advanced controls fix that problem by letting you do that from outside the door.
Kits are $99 or $120 for the advanced model. Both models now include built in powered sub outputs.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com

i have these on my ac/dc and met premiums. with bose noise canceling headphones and the sound is amazing. highly recommend! and very easy to install.

2 months later
#25 6 years ago
Quoted from ovfdfireman:

All three of those games show major sound improvements with Pinball Pro speakers.
Also headphone adapters by Buckwerx are priced well and install perfectly.
http://www.pinballpro.com
http://www.buckwerx.com

Quoted from lllvjr:

Pinnovators headphone kits have built in mute switch on the front of the plate, factory embossed plates, adjustable potentiometer to set the high and lows in the headphones, high end volume pot for full output control of the stern amp, single insulated coax cable front to back, and a built in audio output for adding a powered subwoofer to your game. Our advanced kit also included up and down game volume controls to adjust game volume with the door closed during game. If you wanted to turn the game volume up and down during play you lose the ball when you open the door. Our advanced controls fix that problem by letting you do that from outside the door.
Kits are $99 or $120 for the advanced model. Both models now include built in powered sub outputs.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com

Go with Pinnovators. Go with Pinnovators. Go with Pinnovators!! Did I say Go with Pinnovators? Well go with Pinnovators then. I've had buckwerx and it wasn't a properly grounded system. The headphones we had at the time had a metal headband and when we touched it it arced do to the static build up from us walking on the carpet. It was enough to blow the speaker controller on the board and we had to buy another one. I now own 4 Pinnovator headphone jacks and it was the first thing we ordered to go on our NIB ST Pro this week! An upgrade I will never live without now as playing a modern pinball with them just changes the game!!

I do like Pinball Pro speakers!!

#26 6 years ago

I initially started replacing/upgrading the speaker systems in my pins with Pinball Pros sets and they did make a significant improvement. After the 7th I decided to try a external powered subwoofer because of the cost savings. I found it to be quite and improvement over stock and could use 1 sub on two machines at the same time. This is the route I have been going ever since. The Polk PSW100 goes on sale at Amazon occasionally for $69-$79 with free shipping. All you need to do to hook up is get 6 feet of speaker wire, install alligator clips on one side, Attach that end to cabinet speaker, run the other end out one of the bottom rear vent grill(I just lift a staple up and slide under), and hook to the sub. 1 pin to the leftspeaker level input and can hook another to the right input. I wish I had learned of this before I very expensively upgraded the seven, would have saved a bunch of $$$. Almost as good and maybe better in some cases IMHO, Good luck and enjoy! On a side note, I do like the Pinovators Headphone jacks. I have them on most of my machines and just waiting for them to go on sale to add to the rest...you could add these with all the $ you saving on the speakers and still be ahead of the game.

#27 6 years ago

Thanks guys,
We also now sell a upgraded woz cabinet speaker. This is a dvc speaker that uses the fourth channel built into the factory amplifier. So not only is it a speaker upgrade its a power upgrade doubling the existing power output.$100 plus shipping. Pm me if anyone is interested

Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com

#28 6 years ago

I used Tony's guide when doing my Doctor Who restore. Spent about $60 total and that leaves me with enough speaker wire to do 2-3 more. The sound is on par with any pre assembled kits out there.

Link to the guide.

http://www.dziedzic.us/wpc_speaker_replacement.html

#29 6 years ago
Quoted from TaylorVA:

I used Tony's guide when doing my Doctor Who restore. Spent about $60 total and that leaves me with enough speaker wire to do 2-3 more. The sound is on par with any pre assembled kits out there.
Link to the guide.
http://www.dziedzic.us/wpc_speaker_replacement.html

This is what I am wanting to do. I can't justify spending $250 on a speaker kit when if you take some time, can make a kit fairly cheap....

EDIT: I'd say they are worth it. Tron sounds like crap with stock speakers :/

#30 6 years ago
Quoted from northvibe:

This is what I am wanting to do. I can't justify spending $250 on a speaker kit when if you take some time, can make a kit fairly cheap....
EDIT: I'd say they are worth it. Tron sounds like crap with stock speakers :/

My DW speaker system sounds exceptional. Had league last night and a lot of players commented on how well is sounded.

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