I like the name of the game/band on the floor in front of the game. I can imagine a row of games like this looking pretty cool.

@ PW79. FWIW. My premium has been fine after a few initial tweeks and then some blue lock-tite. I know several others that would say something similar about their games. If cost is not an issue, and you or a friend doesn't mind taking some time to dial it in. Then, go for the premium/le. My game was also from the first run. I'm fine using the original posts for the ball targets. I hear the more pointy ones are even better.

I'm actually not a huge fan of Stern's build quality (cabinets cracking, using the skinny leg plates, etc), but I think the issues on this game have been way overblown. I have an LE and did have to deal with the captive balls - once. Tightened the nut, barely touched the switches, done. The autofire has taken a few more minutes to work out, but absolutely nothing major. Every NIB game I've ever owned has had some adjustment. So I guess what I"m saying is, definitely get the LE! The game is just way more fun

As an LE owner and having played the Pro I wouldn't be happy with the Pro experience at this point. I'm sure if you only play the Pro you wouldn't know what you are missing though, but if you want the best experience then Prem/LE all the way!

Having said that, the LE/Prem is fine for home play with minor occassional adjustments needed but I wouldn't consider routing one I don't think due to the high liklehood that it one or more of the newton ball switches would be misadjusted at any given time.

I'd say the premium is the smallest upgrade that stern has done in a long time.

As a Pro owner and having played the Prem/LE I wouldn't be happy with the Prem/LE experience at this point. I'm sure if you only play the Prem/LE you wouldn't know what you are wasting extra money on though, but if you want the best experience then Pro all the way!

It's the largest. Usually the pro plays fine but is missing some toys. In this case, the pro doesn't feel right because it's missing basically anything that moves.

The moving ramp alone is worth it. Makes the game much more playable IMO. You can catch the shots coming out of it pretty easily compared to the ball coming down haphazardly from the mini flipper.

No idea what you mean - there are 4 major GAMEPLAY differences between the two. The most minor is the captive ball. Then you have the moving center ramp, which changes shot flow and where balls return from. You have the sarcophagus lock which is an entirely different shot from the pro. (And moves), and you have the totally-missing-from-the-pro “can I play with madness” mode. That’s major stuff. You might say GOT had a big difference with it’s upper PF, but play it a few times, it doesn’t change the overall game really. Same with AC/DC and the lower PF. But the games are basically the same.

Plus on the Pro translight the Iron Maiden logo is placed at an angle. Not something i could live with.

Larger than missing playfields? Larger than huge rule changes? No, don't be ridiculous.

Here you go all done - https://truecolorprotectors.com/products/iron-maiden-truecolor-pop-bumper-plastic-protectors

Of course one of my pop bumper light boards is out atm so only 2 are lit up in the pic

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I like the sarcophagus lock a lot as well as the lift ramp. I don't know about anyone else, but I never pay attention to the dome flasher.

Rob

That upper left one isn't a light, it's a flasher. It's photographing as-designed (i.e. off). No idea why they don't pulse it rapidly so it works like a light until they flash it. They do that with Magneto's spotlight on X-Men and it works fine.

Ya, someone told me as well in the other thread. Good news!

So I am ever so slowly... And I do mean S-l-o-w-l-y... Learning how to fix my pinball machines. I think for major repairs I'm always going to pay someone... But, I was able to re-solder and attach the broken off wire to the upper right flipper coil. First time I tried the solder joint wasn't very good and it broke after an hour. Now its hour 4 and still holding...
I also updated the code. And I'm liking the code so far... But, one thing I don't like...
They seem to have added some callouts... That's always cool. But, I think they took out my favorite callout.
I really liked when you started a game and the Beast would say Welcome to my world under glass...
I haven't heard him say that and I've played about 4 hours on new code.
I hear him talk about the hangman wanting to meet him. Saying Ahoy there... Which is a shit callout.
Just SHIT!!!
JUST SHIT!!!! So... I really hope they put the welcome to my world under glass back in.
And I don't get why they would remove a callout. You paid for it. Yes, add to the callouts, but keep them in. It adds variety. But, remove the Ahoy there one. That's just shit.

I don’t know if anyone else had this but I had my usb in the drive on the right hand side and halfway through the install it failed. Tried a few more full/not full installs and all fail too. Turn off the game and switch the usb to the drive right next to it on the left and it installed fine. Weird.

Doesn’t hear or feel much bass or anything coming from the cab speaker even through it is on and + whatever in settings. Wiring all looked good I’ll have to poke around later, was looking at those FF speakers anyways.

Thats how mine is. It lights during gameplay.

Haphazardly? When setup properly it feeds the right flipper and can easily be caught with a drop catch or bounced over to the left. Just like the prem feed.

1. A captive ball that makes the power jackpot way easier to collect by mistake. I'm already trying to avoid collecting it, to build the value up. Would not want this.

2. Both balls end up at the lower RF every time. Same gameplay.

3. Both versions have the left ramp and captive ball shots in the same places. Some additional strategy is gained for Mummy multiball here, which is IMO the one significant difference in gameplay.

4. Keith Elwin disables 'can i play with madness' mode and prefers the Pro award, +15M to power jackpot. Nuff said.

I know prem owners must defend their extra spending, but in reality, the prem has a slightly different way to approach Mummy multiball, which is pretty cool, and that's about it. Everything else is very similar on both versions.

Watching the Prem/LE at INDISC on the weekend, it was very obvious that the strategy of the players was the exact same as when they play the Pro. The Pro has been used at many tournaments recently, so there is plenty of video evidence available to show that the differences do not greatly affect how this game is played.

LOL. Okay. Yes, larger than missing playfields. AC/DC mini playfield sucks and adds nothing for example. And yes, larger than rule changes, as long as the game feels more or less the same, a few missing rules isn't that big of a deal. A pro game feels dead compared to a premium.

You can say the pro is better all that you want but anyone who has played both simply knows that its not true. The pro is damn good so you have no reason to regret your purchase, but the premium/LE is more fun period.

No. Wrong. Ive watched Keith play the game. He leaves the mini flipper up so he doesnt get a drain. Haphazard as fuq pal.

Can’t say I agree, but who cares really? It does seem that it would be helpful for you to spend more time on a Premium. The Prem has additional features, just like all Sterns, end of story

Premium doesn't always equal better but in this case here Premium equals better. I didn't really think so at first but after playing them both a good amount there is no question that the Premium is more fun. Now as far as reliability goes the Pro wins in that catagory for sure.

I don't know what's your talking about. I have watched Keith play this is many tournament. Not flipping, or shooting for the X is the most common. Show me the video. At NYCPC he was bounce passing, even though it was a tough bouce. For example in ball 1 of finals.

https://pinballvideos.com/v/1861

In and around the 8:46 mark. He has the mini flip up any time that ball comes down. Never just lets it fall towards the main flippers. He keeps diverting it.

I believe he’s going for drops. Something you can’t do with the premium; go for mini loop, x shot, drops, or let it go to flippers. Both versions are great, and in my experience - which also seems evident of the prem owner defenses; the pro plays harder and wilder - The prem/LE is more controlled. Pick your poison and have fun!

Yeah, I agree. It looks like he is doing that to pick off the drops, which is a often safe strategic choice, but I don't think it is from fear of the ball being out of control is he doesn't.

On the Premium do Mummy locks on the left ramp still take precedence over Flight of Icarus combos in newer code? I remember being annoyed by that on early code.

From the mode start he is saying. I hear him. I get it. Different strokes I guess. Still prefer the premium/le.

from the mode start, correct. Starting the mode by not hitting the ramp was one of the main reasons I went with the premium; the ramp is shot a lot and I liked how the underworld breaks up that monotony. If it weren't for that and maybe the artwork I probably would have went with a pro.

I didn't either until I put this on it.
https://mezelmods.com/collections/iron-maiden-legacy/products/iron-maiden-pinball-obelisk-dome-cover?variant=12219492073588

You can get it for pro or premium, but the color changing makes for a cool effect on it.

It looks like you're working equally as hard to justify not getting a premium/LE. How about this idea? Be happy with your pro purchase and let the premium/LE buyers be happy with their?
BTW - even if the game designer disables "can I play with madness" when he plays, doesn't remove the fact that its one of my favorite modes.

Oh I am, for sure. Just sick of all of this "totally different GAMEPLAY between models" garbage. It's just not true.

You can either believe the heaps of video evidence available for everyone to review, or listen to the incorrect ramblings of a defensive prem owner, your call lol.

Lol. U mad bro?

I’m still trying to remember how to stack modes with Trooper or Mummy multiball. Start the mode first then shoot the shot for multiball or the other way around?

You have to start the mode first. If you start the multiball first you can't start modes until multiball is over. If you nick the captive mummy ball as you fire the spinner side shot to start trooper, you get a 4 ball trooper, too.

What I have observed is if you getting mummy ready to start (mummy spelled out with one shot to start the mode) and then start trooper, it (trooper multiball) will start with four balls instead of three. Mummy will still be ready to start after trooper ends. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Ha, Victor beat me to it. And he was a bit more complete - must graze that captive ball on the way up to the inner loop shot on trooper start. Yes

The callout is still in there. I heard it today.

I only get really the hangman and ahoy there captain... Where you in single player or multiplayer mode.
There are different callouts during multiple players. Just curious.

So after you spell mummy hit the captive ball going into trooper multi to get 4 ball?

I don't think you even need to spell mummy. Just get two balls locked for trooper, then nick the captive ball when going to lock the 3rd trooper ball and you get a 4 ball trooper.

AHOY THERE

Curly you can't lose either way. I've had to adjust 2 switches (30 sec) and tighten a couple screws but I learned from my buddy Budly that you tighten everything when ya set it up anyway.
Knock on wood, mine has been pretty damn rock solid.

Single player.

Made me laugh and almost spill my soda onto my computer.

Wonder if there is an options for callouts... Are you sure you're on the most recent code????

Positive I'm on 1.06.

You've got to have Mummy ready to go.

Keith has said it was a bug on the original Prem code, but he thought it was cool so added it as a feature on the Pro.