165 new posts since the last time I was here? Where the hell are you guys when I was trying to start a local pinball league here? Since there seems to be a ton of us now. How many here want to do a SE WI pinball league? Get together once a month, do random gamerooms the whole 9 yards. Keep league stats, maybe have a passable Trophy for the point leader of the season. What do you think?
i've just come to the conclusion, that Wi/MN people are a bunch of socialites. We all have high Karma social ratings. I thought I was just the one that was long winded, but going down the list looks like everyone will give me a run for the money on the talking aspect. No wonder we never get anything accomplished during pinball events. To busy shooting the shit.
both upper and lower? Sounds good. Bring it along. Something like that I can squeeze through the system fairly fast for you.
well if your bringing it to waunakee tourney on sat., I probably can have it done by MGC.
Quoted from ThePostmaster:
You'll have to witness my style of play at MGC. It's the hit every post in the game, and miss as many shots as possible. It keeps the competition guessing.
You know there arn't any point switches in the rubber posts or blue blocks right. Those arn't there for scoring purposes.
I told 4 people about it this past week who didn't know about it and are now going and taking the family. Lots don't know it even exists.
Quoted from ChrisS:
I'm with you. More talk than play. I think Eric and I got more games in on his Tron Friday night and in the AM before the show opened than the rest of the time we were there. Seeing your beautiful example is one reason I would love to own one.
Neo. Your Atlantis was amazing. Thanks for bringing it and taking the time to walk through the rules and explaining more about the machine. Now I want one.
Did everyone meet Tony (tonymiddendorf). To refresh your memory and his; he was walking around with the 4litre jug of RED wine on Saturday. Also important to note at the end of the night his white Tshirt was still white and spotless. Now that's a "Pro".
Best year yet. Stay safe this year so we can see you all again next year.
Thanks for the compliment on Atlantis. We met Tony when he could barely stand and again the next day when we got to reintroduce ourselves for the first time again. He was actually in good shape which is shocking from the night before. Good times.
Goldeneye for sale. There's one you don't see often. Wish I could play one that was running good. Usually they run like ass. But I only used to see them at Super Auctions.
That is true. Tho I do like ES. Had one but was too similar feeling to TZ, FH and TAF, so it had to go. Atlantis is more fun and so is Swords of Fury if your talking system 11's. Tho, Atlantis is a frankenstein system 11.
Quoted from Jediturtle:
Avengers is haunting me. I want one so bad I am having bad thoughts again. Seriously considering trying to trade CV for an LE or maybe STTNG for a pro. I love both games, but have had them both a long time and they don't get the blood pumping like they used to. I think I'd have to have an LE though...I'm spoiled by Wolverine now. And STTNG has a theme that won't let me let it go (right?). Then again if someone would actually trade an Avengers/Hulk LE for STTNG it would probably be a done deal. Did I just say that?
The big 6-for-1 trade I did to get my Wolverine awhile back turned out great, even though I got rid of a lot of games I really loved. So this should be the same, right? Right now my Wolverine has really pushed everything else in the collection aside, so maybe an Avengers by its side would rule the world! Ahh...I shouldn't be thinking this. Talk me down guys, talk me down. I love these games...so I must keep them. Right? RIGHT? AHH!
It wouldn't stop there though...I know it wouldn't. I already am lusting after Metallica too. And I know Star Trek will make me want to do something stupid to get it. It's never ending. Damn I hate this hobby...it's a sickness!
(So anyone got an Avengers they would trade? LOL!)
If I had an Avengers i'd be driving it over to your house right now for that trade.
Quoted from centerflank:
Having these 2 side by side is a must do Jedi!
For a bon fire? That's the only reason i'd put those 2 close together in the same proximity. both I feel are terrible games. Might not be Xfiles or SF2 terrible, but terrible nevertheless.
But i'd move that LOTR out of the way before lighting the match, because I wouldn't want to see that get hurt, or the TZ. It's kind of like you have a shit sandwich going there, but with high end pieces of bread.
Then you don't know me very well. Everything I like rocks and everything I hate sucks donkey balls. It's just the way the system works. Everything in between is just neutral.
I'm mainly just giving you shit tho. I don't really hate avengers, but I don't like it either. It's a low neutral. I was neutral to Xmen until I owned it. Then I hated it the more I played it. But it's still not in the Xfiles, FT, SF2 category yet.
Well, obviously it was a joke and we wouldn't burn any of them. Not when you can always sell it for a good game. Xfiles is the only game that I didn't want to finish after the 1st ball. I did play it again at the MPE to see if maybe it has improved in the past 5 years. It had not. What a raving piece of shit Xfiles is.
Centerflank has talked to me in person many times, he knows i'm just messing with him.
Quoted from Jediturtle:
Alright, I gotta price police myself on this one. I was being way too optimistic at $7.5k. Let's say $7k OBO which I think is more realistic. That puts it a bit under the Boston Pinball ebay year to date average, so that's a good starting point. Still would most like to find an Avengers LE. Pictures are uploading now and I'll be placing an ad on the marketplace and main forum soon.
Don't you tempt me on this one. You hold at your $7.5k price point, I don't want you dropping in my price range.
well if anyone wants to come and play anything I have, just send me a PM. I'm always around. SOF is getting taken apart and restored this Friday. I have a friend that wants some experience taking a playfield apart and back together, so figured my SOF was a good candidate, since it's one I wanted to do for awhile now.
yup same one. Btw, I didn't add color changing abilities to Atlantis. That's the way it is. But in the normal version, everything is Red. I changed it to LED blue which accents the look and feel of the game better I think. Same with the conversion of blue bumper caps instead of red.
I do the playfields, sometimes cabinet touchups, but I don't have the room to do a lot of them, so it depends on how much the cabinet needs.
maybe we should do a group trip sometime? All pile into one vehicle and go. All chip in for gas it would be cheap. I can fit 8 in the pin hauler and get 25 mpg.
yea, would be a full day. Those of us down here in the bottom corner. Milwaukee, racine, kenosha, can all arrange to meet somewhere, then the madison group can meet up and so on, so we only have to do a couple stops and pick up groups. I'd be in for it.
either of those days work for me. Doesn't Lloyd have a circus coming up soon? Maybe we should just do it then?
lets confirm a weekend that works the best for most and make a list. See where that takes us.
ok, everyone state the weekend saturday that works for you. We will do a running total and majority rules. For me either weekend works, so i'll go with the majority.
because it's a long drive. Most don't want to have to do the drive and way cheaper on gas if we go as a big group.
i'd vote for congo as well. Especially if the other 2 choices are Slugfest or Shit Tales.
Quoted from AkumaZeto:
Who is doing all that work?
man that's a sweet ass gameroom setup you have there. Spaced out great, and lots of move around space. Very sweet.
probably not because we all assume that's what's going to happen. Can't be mad about the inevitable.
if you guys havn't seen. I'm getting a league going for SE WI, and mid area. looks like we are going to go with 20 people max so anyone around here that wants in, let me know and PM me, list is going.
says there has been 1400 new posts since i've been in here. That's all I wanted to say. Didn't want to miss out.
they don't even have 50k games total through the years. Only if you include the 70's and 80's games.
I don't do apps. I use my phone for phone calls only. (with occasional text). I hate touch screen phones with a passion. When I had one, it was the worst year of using a phone i've ever experienced and refuse to get one ever again. (forced to have one for work but use it as little as possible.
Plus I have a virtual pin, so I can DL all the zaccarias I want. (most need to be redone).
I'll just buy out the blackberry styles now when they go on clearance. Just use it for eternity.
Quoted from animesuperj:
Not sure, all he said was it was the "80s one"; and to come get it. I called about an hour and a half after it was posted, and yeah, full mailbox. I'm assuming he got slammed, if it was a real ad.
yea, that was me, I just picked it up about 6 hours ago. turned out to be an Empire Strikes Back. What a turd of a player it is. I'm currently converting it into another Virtual pin. Should kick ass.
well since there is only 400 made and most are not in the US. You probably won't see one unless it's at a show.
btw, I was kidding about the pin. I didn't get shit. And if it was an ESB, I sure the hell wouldn't part it out. I would restore it and sell it for something fun.
He just got you that, so you would do some posing in it, and eventually get to the George Costanza shot.
very nice. Lyman has done this to my SOF, every time I bring it to a show. And does it for all 4 names, so i have no choice but to reset the HSTD. I have never done it. but I do have the rules set to extra hard.
Quoted from Jediturtle:
Anyone have a Haunted House for sale in the area? Not looking for CQ quality (or price), but a nice player or even project considered. Been thinking a lot about Taxi lately too if there are any around. Or maybe a No Fear depending on price...
Doctor Who or RFM would be great too, but would have to be on the lower side of the price range.
Let me know!
I know someone that is fairly local that would part with his.
you stay in your middle of the state, and i'll keep the SE corner contained. I think we will just race and see who arrives first. I'd have everything broken down and hauled home, set back up, and leveled, before you even made it halfway here.
Quoted from Whysnow:
So long as you are paying "Neo is selling prices" that is cool. Chris is a good guy and deserves top dollar.
If he is selling at Neo "price check" prices then it only seems appropriate that the games go to the less fortunate like myself.
Please, I know what you find games at and buy at as well. We both live in the same region and we both know what reasonable is. It's not like we live in CA or NY and wipe our asses with $100's. I just paid $2600 for Pinball magic. You think I underpaid for that?
if your ever in town long enough. You can come over anytime. You live like 10 min away. maybe 15.
Quoted from Whysnow:
Youa re doing it wrong. Supposed ot get the co-workers to sell you their old games form the basement, nit be more competition to buy up the few good games already on the market
It's not really competition since they only want a shit tales. More out of the collectors market, the better.
i'll let you know when I find out I can go to MN to get mine. The owner is only in town certain times, so I have to work with his schedule.
Quoted from goatdan:
We talked to multiple different vendors actually and got similar rates of like to dislike.
Again, wait until the info gets out for vendors. I think we found a solution that will make everyone happy. And, to he completely fair, our vendor rates are significantly cheaper than almost any similar sized event that we've ever seen. We try to keep things as reasonable as possible so if there is something that doesn't go perfectly, it's still a great deal.
I think the biggest issue with the band is not being able to hear people when you are trying to talk. Getting over by the booths right by the band. It was very difficult to work out negotiations. if u can figure out a way to minimize the sound level. I think it would be a win for everyone.
Quoted from ChrisS:
Someone buy this for me please.
ebay.com link » Rare Basketball Pinball Machine By Data East Red Model One Of Seven Units Made
you would think that if you want 25k for something, you would have an assload of pictures with it. including massive amounts of playfield pics.
you only have so much control with bands. Being a band manager for a long time, the guys usually turn down the amps during sound check, then slowly keep increase their volumes as they play. The drums only go so low, and everyone else will have to be at that level. But it seems every musician wants to be in front, so they drown each other out. You only have control of the monitors and the mics that are in front of the amps. But the amps alone are enough to drown out the place if they want.
Quoted from ralphwiggum:
Weird..... I had a dream where that Waterworld pin flew out of the back of my van on I94 on the way back from Expo. Congrats on finally getting your WW. Looks like it will clean up nicely. Glad Chris was able to grab it for you, and we were able to get it back to his place. Having that in the back of my van kept Chris from buying yet another pin he doesn't have room for
Wish I had a reason not to buy pins I don't have room for. I ended up buying 2 games from expo. I was out of room 13 pins ago.
Quoted from Methos:
Why would anybody buy pinballs that they don't have room for?
Seems odd, doesn't it?
because I have friends that still have room. Plus, i'm working on getting a bigger house (for past 3 years). Once that happens, I can bring all my babies home. If I didn't have the plan to expand the gameroom, I would not be collecting more than I can hold.
because it's a great layout and an awesome looking game. The rules are lacking, but for the casual player. They don't care.
yes, please put them side by side so I can play each one with one hand at the same time.
Quoted from goatdan:
I can't stand Fish Tales. I seriously walk away after a ball or two. I forced myself to play one a while ago, and I played three games on it and I just couldn't stand it. Have really tried to give it a fair shake.
X-files is horrible, but I can get through it a bit more.
SF2 I actually own one of those, so...
Never said I was normal.
WTF, why can't I thumbs up this shit? You are going to have to settle for a happy face.
really? That's pretty sweet. I don't know where that is, but I need to learn. Is it on cleveland ave I take it? Near moorland or closer to hwy 100?
I like the direction the rules are going. Very video game like. The pro is very very stripped down compared to the premium. It plays smooth, but feels very cheap.
Anyone local interested in a space invaders? Cabinet is nice. Backglasses are absolutely perfect. Got it to boot once. Needs a new MPU board or someone that wants to fix the acid along the bottom. Everything was working mechanically the one time I got it to boot. Power switch is flaky too. $800 OBO. If it doesn't sell, I'll buy the alltek and throw it in and shop it out sell it for $1300. If you already have SI. Would be a great game to combine with another to make a really minty one. Open for trades as well.
waterworlds layout is pretty damn good. Kinda like Hook. Great layout and look, shitty rules. If they could recode gottliebs like they are doing for DE. Many of these system 3's that don't get any love would be very sought after.
well my wedding cost the same as 2 sheet of playfield glass from PBL and a tank a gas.
Quoted from ChrisS:
What a romantic.
Hell yes. Well, it's like this. What's better? Spending a shit ton of money on a one day party. or taking that money and put it towards your house that you will be starting your life with. So you can either start your new life together with a big debt, or with a nice chunk of your house paid off. She was just happy I even agreed to get married. That was an accomplishment in itself.
I try to pretend I don't see SF2's whenever possible. It's kind of like EP1, 2 and 3. I just pretend they don't exist. But friends have been finding them for $600 recently. I've had around 10 chances over the past couple of years to buy them. I just laugh, because it would be waste of $600. The next one that someone tries to get me to buy, i'll see if I can snag it for you. But I refuse to pay over $400 for one and even that would be waste. Horrible horrible game. easily tied for the worst DMD ever............EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
don't tell Dan. VND is his favorite game. It's not bad if you can hear it and you play it with the rules set a certain way. 24 looks great, and you think it would be really complex with the shit ton of inserts it has, But the code was never really finished. could have been a really good game, and really fell short.
it is horrible beyond belief. It's the only time I played a game on location. PAID for my game, and still wanted to walk away after ball 2. The only reason I didn't fall asleep, is because a bulb came loose and started rolling around on the playfield. I had more fun shooting at that, and trying to get it lodged into something, than I did playing the actual game.
you sure that's 11' ? I have the exact same one, and mines 14' from back of the cabinet to the front.
does the one to the left of it have flash on it?
Quoted from Hoopjohn:
Definitely an 11' ball bowler. As is the one to the left. Both 1957 models. United didn't have flash on there ball bowlers until 1961.
Spent the day doing cleanup & minor issues on the (new to me) bowler, a 16' United Coronado 1967, that according to the seller, sat in this parents basement for 40 years. Only issue I've found so far is 3 of the Jones plugs need attention. One has a male end that fell off at my touch, one has a wire thats not connected, and the worst has a broken off bakelite end with a wire that should be connected to the broken off piece.
Other than the Jones plug/bakelite issues, its cleaning up surprisingly well. Went through 3 rolls of paper towels and lots of mean green.
well, shit, now I have to go down stairs and measure mine again.
ok, just measured it. And it came out to 10"
and the bowler came out to 14' from the back of the head. It's exactly the same model as yours. 1956 Team bowler. Must have had different size versions of the same model.
Quoted from ChrisS:
So when he pulls it does it just sit in a warehouse if he doesn't really sell things?
Like I said. Lots of props for putting an LE on route. I don't care how much play it gets at a 1.00 a game that takes a lot of games to recoup your costs.
at least 7400 plays. Which really doesn't take that much. Add more for matches and free games won.
Quoted from goatdan:
7400 plays, but then you split with the location, usual is 50 / 50, so that means 14,800 plays. That's assuming no breakdowns and the game never gets serviced.
From what I know of multiple ops that I talk with - I'm always curious about earnings - *in general*, the best route pins make somewhere between $300-$450 / month. Let's say that since this is an LE and a higher cost, it gets double that...
At $600 / month, it would be just over two years for it to break even. At $900, it would be a year and five months.
Add in breakdowns and regular maintenance, and you're out two to three years easy, and that's ONLY considering if it continues to earn at a high rate for all of that time, which is pretty unlikely.
Operating pinball is hard.
yea, I wasn't really thinking about the split. Was thinking more on the guy that puts one in his own business that doesn't have to split. So yea, would take twice as long if not more depending on the split.
the resale market has really helped ops recoup the money that wasn't earned. Back in the day, you pretty much had to throw away machines after they were done being routed. Now, you usually can get around half of what you paid back when you pull it off route. or if you find a sucker, 70% of what you paid. (or if it was routed gently and held up like new)
most route games for years,. when I say routed games, i'm talking about the games like a LOTR pulled off route after 5 years, with flipper cabinet worn white. That's your typical op blowout game. Which usually sells a lot cheaper if you know what you are doing. unshopped, switches out, half of the GI's burnt out. The typical.
I wonder if this is the same guy, that sold someone a paragon where they sprayed clear over the entire game. With plastics, rubbers and everything on. clearcoated the entire playfield. Was the single biggest idiot moment i've ever seen.
Putting 3 games up for sale or trade soon. Can bring to MGC. All games are 100% working and playing great. Displays are all nice and boards are clean. I have more pictures if you want to see more. I really need space, so i'd consider a 3 for 1 trade as well.
Strange science $1200
Escape from the Lost World $1100
Travel Time $600
it is an awesome area of his house, but you could fit 4 more games in that area if....
Quoted from LTG:
Heavy equipment has arrived. And work has started. Been a long time organizing but the expansion of SS Billiards is finally underway. Room for 20 more pins to play. New game sales, and mods and merchandise.
It's going to be a great year for pinball !
LTG : )
why the hell would they expand in your parking lot? it's not like you have much of a parking lot anyway. Something is fishy.
where the hell can i get an big ass inflatable stay puft? That would be awesome for the top of the house for halloween.
Edit: NVM, found it and already ordered.
Quoted from LesManley:
I so wanted to go to that Epic Party too. If you can make it Jared, we would love to have you!
Neo, you should make the trip and bring Stay Puft and some other sconnies with you.
i wish I could. I really wanted to make that party anyway, but I cannot. We have league finals on that day
well considering I couldn't buy NIB back in the day before there was only one company out, and we do have variety now, but so far there they really go above and beyond my price limit, or are making stuff i have no desire in. But I will tell you this. There is one game being made that is not by Stern, that I will be purchasing under all circumstances.
normally, i'd be on your ass for even considering selling the lionman. But since chris desperately needs a good system 11. I'll allow it without an ass chewing.
Quoted from Harvs:
*Edit - No longer needed. Thanks!
Anyone happen to have a widebody lockdown bar in decent condition near Milwaukee? My Roadshow has a custom painted turd of a lockdown bar on it and need to replace asap!
soak it in lacquer thinner and that shit will look like new.