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unobtainium - circa 1980 stern posts


By j_m_

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

based on greatwichjohn's reproduction of both the seawitch and star gazer playfields, I've contacted steve young @ pbresource.com about the possibility of him running quantity of the blue transparent faceted posts.

I'll be sending him the information this evening (number of posts used by height, by game) and <fingers crossed> we may actually see a run of this desperately product soon.

I'm also going to ask about the possibility of a re-run of both pop caps with the [correct] hot stamped ribbing on the edges.

#2 5 years ago

That would be great if you could get him to do a run! Just be sure he understands they are a DEEP blue, they really should have no transparency like the Bally/Williams/Gottlieb blue posts.

#3 5 years ago

The problem is all of the blue I have seen... is a washed out blue; looks more aqua. There was a supplier in Europe many years ago for the posts. don't know if they exist today.

#4 5 years ago

I need at least two for my Star Gazer. Would probably buy a few more just to have on hand. Like you, I looked and had a hard time finding them. IIRC there was a seller in the UK that had them listed on their web site, can't remember who.

#5 5 years ago

The Seawitch that I just picked up recently is missing a couple posts. I had not yet checked to see if they were available yet, so I was unaware they were unobtainable. Good to hear this is in the works

#6 5 years ago

FWIW, I bought some ribbed transparent blue posts from PBR when I was restoring my Fathom. The repros were much darker and bluer than the originals, to the point that I ultimately didn't use any of them. I'm not sure how much of that is the color fading with time.

#7 5 years ago
Quoted from mot:

FWIW, I bought some ribbed transparent blue posts from PBR when I was restoring my Fathom. The repros were much darker and bluer than the originals, to the point that I ultimately didn't use any of them. I'm not sure how much of that is the color fading with time.

Their white posts had some sort of an aqua tinge to them the last time I bought some. I think they have issues with colors in general.

#8 5 years ago

can someone else with a seawitch confirm to make sure that I have this correct? on my seawitch, I have the following:
purple = 1" tall posts (25)
blue = 1-3/16" tall posts (22)

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I've updated the image to also show which post positions are the wood screw metal posts where the acorn nuts attach on the top side of the playfield plastics on my SW (the little black dots in the center of the color circles)

#9 5 years ago

Make sure you buy a few extra, because 2 years from now they will probably be unavailable.

#10 5 years ago

I emailed steve young and it looks like not only will he be producing the faceted posts in the near future, we will also be seeing the white round target faces with the stars (seawitch).

I know that some people here have commented about the stern blue being a much deeper, almost royal blue. if someone has a decent post that they would like to offer up to steve for color matching, you might want to contact him @ pbresource.com

I would do this, but the posts on my seawitch are the concentric ring type and have all turned to that weird dark burgundy color.

#11 5 years ago

As long as I can get them back eventually, I might be willing to lend a couple out since I wasn't planning on doing much work on mine anytime soon. It was kept in a basement for 15 years, so the light exposure that it did get wasn't too damaging, as far as I can tell.

Here's a quick photo of the posts hidden under one of the plastics. How do the colors look to everyone?

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#12 5 years ago

I would definitely get some posts and possibly targets, as I have some posts that are cracked. This is great news.

#13 5 years ago

Here are some photos with the plastics removed. Some of the photos are a bit on the yellow side because of the work light I was using. There is some funny business with wood screws to the left of the left slingshot, but everything else appears to be stock. Because of the extra holes in this area, I originally thought there may have been some posts missing, but that doesn't appear to be the case--they just got moved around.

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#14 5 years ago

Looks like all my posts are either 1" or 1-1/4". The posts are fairly difficult to photograph and show their true blue color.

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#15 5 years ago

I have some of the taller blue faceted posts that are NOS I believe. I bought them from a vendor at the Allentown show a few years ago. There weren't enough for the whole game (seawitch), so i packed them away until i could find more. Of course, I haven't found any. I have no problem sending one or two to PBR if it will help get them reproduced.

I will take a couple pics in the morning.

#16 5 years ago

The blue hue PBR chose for those reproductions posts was too dark. The originals were 1/2 to 3/4 the shade that PBR sold/sells.

Dave (Doc)

Quoted from mot:

FWIW, I bought some ribbed transparent blue posts from PBR when I was restoring my Fathom. The repros were much darker and bluer than the originals, to the point that I ultimately didn't use any of them. I'm not sure how much of that is the color fading with time.

#17 5 years ago

I'm curious what the logic is on SW between tall and short posts. Bally uses tall posts where plastic attaches and short on the ones underneath the plastic. SW seems to be a random assortment. I switched mine around so no tall posts were scratching the underside of the plastic like Bally does it.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from sk8ball:

I'm curious what the logic is on SW between tall and short posts. Bally uses tall posts where plastic attaches and short on the ones underneath the plastic. SW seems to be a random assortment. I switched mine around so no tall posts were scratching the underside of the plastic like Bally does it.

Not sure on SW, but on SG they are random too. I did notice one thing is that if a plastic mounts to the the black side rails, with a screw, then they used the short posts where it goes over drops or targets. If the plastic is out in the middle or around the slings they used the taller posts. Posts on either side of spinner brackets are tall.

I suppose on the plastics that attach to the black rails, you could use the tall posts for any that go thru the plastics and short for the ones that don't. But you'd have to use a 1/4" spacer between the plastic and black rails and a longer screw. Not sure if that will cause issues towards the back when the playfield is lowered under the back rail.

Might be nice to experiment with different sizes to see if there may be a better way.

#19 5 years ago

from steve young this morning:
color matching will make this project unaffordable...the color matching charge with the formulation work will run about $700 on top of the part...the only way this will get run is by using the standard -10 williams trp blue color.

I'm in if he runs them, regardless of the color blue used. given that my seawitch doesn't even have the faceted posts and my current ones look like crap, any upgrade is a step in the right direction.

#20 5 years ago

my response to steve:

if you ran 5,000pcs with the color matching, we'd be looking at an increase of about .15 per post to cover your costs for the formulation work (based on your $700 figure).

I don't have a problem paying the increased cost per post, I'll post your reply on pinside and try and see what they feel. you might be surprised at their willingness to get it done [correctly] vs. just getting it done.

#21 5 years ago

Most of his posts are in the 50-60 cent range; some are even more. The tall red ones are 50 cents. Even at 75 cents to a $1 each I'm in IF they are a nice dark blue.

#22 5 years ago

If they are $1/post, they are $1/post. Beats no posts at all. Steve's gotta get paid for his work.

How many games use these blue posts? Star Gazer, Seawitch, ???

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from sk8ball:

I'm curious what the logic is on SW between tall and short posts. Bally uses tall posts where plastic attaches and short on the ones underneath the plastic. SW seems to be a random assortment. I switched mine around so no tall posts were scratching the underside of the plastic like Bally does it.

sk8ball:
so, you did something like this? blue = tall posts, purple = shorter posts
the posts under P7 could go either way since all 3 posts hold the plastic overhead. additionally, I believe that the right edge of that plastic rests over the wooden siderail which is the left shooter lane.

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#24 5 years ago
Quoted from j_m_:

sk8ball:
so, you did something like this? blue = tall posts, purple = shorter posts
the posts under P7 could go either way since all 3 posts hold the plastic overhead. additionally, I believe that the right edge of that plastic rests over the wooden siderail which is the left shooter lane.
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I can work up a chart tonight based on my machine...didn't have time to do it last night.

Basically, the upper plastics are short posts, the slingshots are tall, the far right and far left plastics are tall, the posts behind the drop targets are tall.

Your first chart was closer to what was on my machine--the posts aren't mixed and matched under the plastics. Some simply use threaded metal posts, some use screws.

#25 5 years ago

Re: Color Matching

I think the color he's talking about using might be pretty damn close. Is this not true?

#26 5 years ago

Shouldn't skimp on a correct restoration. I'm in for the color match and would buy enough for both machines.

#27 5 years ago

wow just came across this... It would be awesome and I'm willing to pay little more for the correct color matching.

#28 5 years ago

Here are the pics of the blue posts I have. Not sure if they are original or not, but they are unused.

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#29 5 years ago
Quoted from gabegabegabe:

Here are the pics of the blue posts I have.

I think the color is similar to the reproduction ribbed blue Bally (Fathom) posts I got from PBR.

#30 5 years ago

The ones on 3 Seawitch playfields I have are a shade or 2 darker.

Quoted from gabegabegabe:

Here are the pics of the blue posts I have. Not sure if they are original or not, but they are unused.

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#31 5 years ago

Mine on my iron maiden are darker also... The one on my seawitch was darker

#32 5 years ago

The ones in my SG are darker like the ones in post #14 above.

#33 5 years ago

Here's how the posts are arranged on my Seawitch. I color coded the diagram below so that blue dots are 1" posts, and red dots are 1-1/4" posts.

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#35 5 years ago

I'd be in at $1 per post. Heck I'd be in at $1.25 each if they are a true match to the original dark blue color they are supposed to be.

Dave (Doc)

Quoted from stangbat:

If they are $1/post, they are $1/post. Beats no posts at all. Steve's gotta get paid for his work.
How many games use these blue posts? Star Gazer, Seawitch, ???

#36 5 years ago

+1

Quoted from dothedoo:

Shouldn't skimp on a correct restoration. I'm in for the color match and would buy enough for both machines.

#37 5 years ago

Yes. That color is too light. Although that color would have looked great on the Bally ribbed posts Steve reproduced for games like Fathom instead of the darker blue he did for those.

#38 5 years ago

Those are a significantly lighter shade of blue. Here's a rough comparison:

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#39 5 years ago

This is way too light. Though could be used. Not on my games.

#40 5 years ago

Not to throw a wrench in this but Seawitch was also made with Ribbed posts but they were very dark like what is under 1980 Williams games to hold light boards. Almost a purple. Much darker then what is available. They were also much brittle like the faceted posts. Here is a picture of my Swap. I have had probably 10 seawitches over the years and 2 had ribbed posts.

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#41 5 years ago

Another pic...

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#42 5 years ago

I might be in the minority, but I think the lighter blue would actually look a little better and let a little more light shine through.

#43 5 years ago

RazerX...There is probably some truth to that.

#44 5 years ago

I have the pinballcenter.eu posts on Seawitch and I think they look great. side by side comparison they are very close and better yet they are new and not all chewed up on the bottoms as my originals were.

#45 5 years ago

Think of all the blue ribbed Xenon posts from 1980 that have faded into that odd purple/maroon color you see today.

#46 5 years ago
Quoted from hassellcastle:

I have the pinballcenter.eu posts on Seawitch and I think they look great. side by side comparison they are very close and better yet they are new and not all chewed up on the bottoms as my originals were.

Craig, It is time...I need to come see your collection....Especially now you have a Nineball...

#47 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Think of all the blue ribbed Xenon posts from 1980 that have faded into that odd purple/maroon color you see today.

You mean faded puce? LOL

#48 5 years ago

I've added this thread to my favourites.

I'd be in even if not a perfect match. Willing to pay the extra .15 to get colour match. I'd replace all my posts in Stargazer if he runs them.

#49 5 years ago

Ditto

#50 5 years ago

If the posts don't come through this is what I do using the clear posts that Steve sells:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-dye-posts-and-inserts-when-the-color-is-unobtainium

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