Just got a united Bowling alley
Have gone thru the relay switches strike spare steppers and relay bank
The player stepper too and cleaned the old style connectors
Not sure these are called jones plugs , but you know what i mean
Have not cleaned score reels yet
But the pins wont retract when ball hits roll overs
Wont reset either and the ball release gate wont function either
It does score and proper pin relays trip in the relay bank when the roll overs are activated by the ball
Frames advance as do players
The lights over the pins light
Any hints , is there a switch I'm over looking
Thanks

If i manually activate the rollovers the appropriate relays in the relay bank do energize but the pins do not go up
The game does score though when the rollovers are activated also

Ok ill check it out tomorrow
And let you know
Thanks

Is this what you mean ?
4 out of 10 of the pins units have a ground like this
All black insulated wires
Im going to clean these anyway
As i had ground trouble before
And these are the plugs from the pindeck
Im going to check the connections and solder joints for each wire
Again thanks for the help

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Ok ill do that i cleaned all the black leads where they screw into the pin units hoping id get lucky but it didnt help
Ill get back to it tonight and let you know
might get a long wire and jump from a pin unit common wire to the female end of the plug inside the machine
Also this common line wouldnt feed the solenoid that releases the balls too would it ?

Thanks again

Ok if i detach a spring on the ball gate the balls go rt thru
The balls get hung up a bit at the top of the ball lift when the ball hits the metal wheels on top but as i work it they seem to get better
Now i jumped the black wire from a pin unit to the solder joint on the male end of the plug and look what i get the pins retract
Yes !
Thank you so much i think ill run another wire bypassing the black
But the pins wont reset unless i press the top copper blade down in the reset motor

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I was so keyed up at seeing those pins retract i didnt even look at the pin rest relay
I though about it this morning on the way to work
I’ll check it out and clean the wipers tonight
And let you know what happens
Ive had shuffle bowlers but these ball bowlers are really neat

Ok tje pin reset relay does activate the pin reset motor
I did clean the wipers on the score motor and the rivits made sure they were making good contact
Still not resetting
When i touch two of the copper blades on the switch motor together the relay is activated so the relay itself is good
Could be another bad connection ?
I tried to see what wires to try to jump from the reset relay to the jones plug but couldnt tell
Or is there another possible cause
Also when the score motor is in its resting position no rivits are in contact with any of the copper fingers,is this correct ? (See picture)
Finally pins one and the three pin do not retract
I used a jumper wire from pin one relay to pin 5 and when pin five was tripped by its rollover pin one went up also
I did this for pin 3 to pin 8 relay and when tripped the wire immediately burned up
Could it be a short in the pin three relay ?
Again thanks for all the help
I feel we are getting close

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The pin reset relay does not energize when it should
And when i close one of the switches on the pin reset relay (the ones located closest to the coil the relay does energize
Not sure this helps but at least i know fhe relay is good
I will look at the number one pin contacts again on the pin unit and number one relay in the relay bank
And rhe coil on the number theee pin doesnt look burnt to me
Ill double check the way i jumped it but im pretty sure i did it correctly
Im might try to find the wires on the jones plug fhat run from the pin reset relay maybe another bad connection
Also what is this for or where does it go
The guy i bought this from said it came from the game

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Ok I did check to make sure those switches are closed and clean when the door is closed
I also clipped the switches closed and still no reset
So now i will try to use a wire to jump from the jones plug to the relay bypassing the existing grey white wire
Im not at the game now
But is it a grey white wire on the swtch closed by the coffin door also ?

Never mind
Dumb question ill check i out tonight after work
Thanks

Ok my nightly update
Used a jumper wire from the pin reset relay to the male side of the jones plug and it resets!
Initially it would reset once but the relays of the pins that retracted seemed to stay activated and wouldnt reset , the reset motor would run again and the pins would reset
Now the pins reset once , the pins that were retracted dont reset ( you hear a buzzing i think from the pin coils )and the reset motor stops leaving those pins in the retracted position.frame advances and game goes on
After the 10th frame the pins do reset and stay put in down position
Also im thinking of running a jumper wire from pin1 and pin 3 coils to the jomes plug and see if that works
What do you think
Again thanks for all the help
Also i found were that ball bumper goes and reattached it

Ok lubricating the score motor worked like a charm
I jumped the wire for the number one pin and that is working now
I did the same for the 3 pin and the wire burned up , i think its a bad coil can you tell me the number of the coil so i can replace it
And im posting some pics of the wiring of the credit button amd the coin mech
This game has another switch wired to it , the credit button and coin mech do nothing
Id like to get it to where at least the credit button works
Thanks for all the great advice and help

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