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United’s Bowling Alley pins wont function

By jdapolito

1 year ago


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    #3 1 year ago
    Quoted from jdapolito:

    The lights over the pins light

    Okay, the pin lights are lit so the Yellow Common is feeding the Pin Deck..
    The Pin Reset motor doesn't energize to reset the pins. From what I gathered,
    it sounds like they don't, but to confirm, if you manually reset the pins, then
    activate the rollovers, the relays in the Relay Bank energize, and do the pins
    go up?

    #5 1 year ago

    Seems the Yellow Common wire is alive to the pin deck if the pin deck lights
    are lit, but you might want to check (recheck) the Pin Deck's plugin (Jones Plug)
    on the right inner wall near the rear maybe a couple feet from the Ball Lift box.
    That feeds the pin's circuit coming from the Bank Relay..

    #6 1 year ago

    If all looks good there, on the pin deck, the Yellow Common wire is connected to the metal of
    one of the pin units, then the rest of the pin units are tide together with small flat stock.
    Make sure that Yellow Common wire is making good connection to that one pin unit..

    #9 1 year ago
    Quoted from jdapolito:

    Is this what you mean ?

    Yes. My mistake, Black is the common for the Pin Units. Yellow
    for the Pin Lights.
    The Pin Reset Motor and Pin Reset Relay (also on the Pin Deck)
    has the Black for the common, so it appears the Black isn't feeding
    to the Pin Deck. Did you check the Pin Deck's plugin which is on the
    inside wall (the wall the hinges are on and just left of the big coffin's spring?
    Check the Black wire on both the male and female of the plugins.
    Because it's not feeding the Pin Units or Pin Reset Relay, it seems there's
    probably some sort of bad connection and not making it up the Pin Decks
    pig tail. Another thought is with the coffin is open, check where that Pig
    Tail bends back and forth (rear of the machine, left hand side) when the
    coffin is opened and closed. Might be a bad spot in the wire..

    #11 1 year ago
    Quoted from jdapolito:

    Also this common line wouldnt feed the solenoid that releases the balls too would it ?

    You have one of the few Bowling Alleys with the Ball Gate still attached.
    Back when, they gave the Vendors so many problems, they just detached them..
    Yes, the Black wire off the Coin Relay would be a good place to jump from, and
    if still no luck, bypass the plugins and go right to the black on the Pin Deck.

    #13 1 year ago
    Quoted from jdapolito:

    But the pins wont reset unless i press the top copper blade down in the reset motor

    And the pins also reset if you manually press the Pin Reset Relay (the relay on the
    Pin Deck next to the Pin Reset motor) right?
    The Pin Reset Relay energizes through the Score Motor's Wiper Board. If you hadn't
    already, I'd first take off the wiper and clean then lightly lube the Wiper Board and also
    inspect the Wiper's rivets.
    Maybe you want to keep everything original, but if you continue to have problems
    with the Ball Gate, I'd maybe take off the piece that keeps the balls from rolling..

    #16 1 year ago

    The Score Motor's wiper's resting position looks okay.
    So when you manually activate the Pin Reset Relay, the
    Pin Reset Motor does energize.
    While playing the machine, when the pins are suppose to
    reset, the Pin Reset Relay doesn't energize?
    When touching the (run-out) switches together on the Pin
    Reset motor, the Pin Reset Relay shouldn't energize. The Pin
    Reset Relay is what first energizes the Pin Reset motor, then
    the Pin Reset Motor's run-out switch takes over..
    On the #1 Pin not going up. Make sure the set of contacts on the
    #1 Pin Unit is closed and making good contact when the pin
    is down (in the reset position). There's also a set of contacts
    in the #1 Relay (in the Relay Bank) that makes and energizes the
    #1 Pin when #1 Relay is in the energized position..
    It's strange that the #3 Pin wire shorted. I'm sure it was, but
    when jumping, the wire was for sure on the proper terminal?
    Does the #3 Pin coil look burnt?

    #18 1 year ago

    Okay, if you look around the area where the Pin,s Jones Plug is (the
    Jones plug you've been working on) there's 2 sets of switches that open
    when the coffin (playfield cover) is opened, and those 2 sets closes
    when the coffin is closed. One set closes the circuit to the Ball Lift
    Motor (can't remember which set, but maybe has thicker wires because
    the Ball Lift Motor is 110V), and the other set closes the circuit to the
    Pin Relay. You'll what to make sure those switches are clean and closing
    when the coffin is close. You can elegator clip them for testing.
    United felt it was best for both the Pin Reset Relay and the Ball Lift
    Motor didn't energize when the coffin was open, which certainly makes sense.
    The 2 wires on the set of switches that go to the Pin Reset Relay are
    Gray-Red and Gray-White. The Gray-White should be the one in the Pin
    Deck,s Pig Tail. So if those switches are clean and making connection and
    the Pin Reset Relay still doesn't energize during game play, you can jump
    from those set of switches to the Gray-White on the Pin Reset Relay's coil
    and if it works, then you'll know it's another bad wire (Gray-White)in the Pin
    Deck's Pig Tail..
    The good size rubber piece should be attached in the Ball Lift box and that's
    what the ball first hits after rolling under the pins and leaving the alley. It
    absorbs the punishment it would give hitting the Ball Lift Box's back door.
    You'll see 5 holes where it bolts to with what I consider as very thin bolts,
    thus I've found some of those bolts broken on some Bowling Alleys.
    What I do is drill and make those holes 3/16", line up that rubber backstop,
    (that thin rubber faces the front of the machine so that's what the ball would
    hit first), then with a Phillip screw bit in a drill, fasten the backstop with 3" deck
    screws. I have 3 or 4 Bowling Alleys out on location, but none set up here,
    however I may be able to sneak a camera in a ball lift box from one in the barn
    and take a pic of the rubber's backing to show exactly where it's mounted..
    It's pretty important that it's remounted where it should be..

    #21 1 year ago

    Yea, and maybe jump right off the Gray-White set of switches that the Coffin cover closes.
    I checked, and without much work, I couldn't get to the back side of a United Ball Lift box,
    but if you have and questions, I can take a pic from one of the ones uptown..

    #23 1 year ago

    It sounds like the pins are finishing its reset before the Bank Relay
    resets which would mean the Score Motor is running too slow.
    It's a little tight, but with a light, on the back side of the Score Motor
    is the armature's tail that slides in when the motor is energized, and
    springs back out when de-energized. That small tail many times is dry
    and a spray can free it up and give the Score Motor its proper RPMs.
    Check, and I bet the Pins are in the totally reset position before the
    Relay Bank energizes..
    Yea, if you can make out the color codes okay, you can first jump
    the #1 and #3 pins to the Jones Plug and see if that does the trick.
    It probably will. It seems you have a bad spot in the Pin Deck's Pig
    Tail.

    #25 1 year ago
    Quoted from jdapolito:

    And im posting some pics of the wiring of the credit button amd the coin mech
    This game has another switch wired to it , the credit button and coin mech do nothing
    Id like to get it to where at least the credit button works

    The 2 wires that energize the Coin Relay are the common Yellow and a Blue-White wire.
    That Red plastic button is/was to energize the Ball Gate coil if the balls didn't release, but
    on Home use machines I've wired the Yellow and Blue-White wire to its switches to have
    it as a Free Play button..
    I have a Pin Coil for the #3 pin. You can pm me with your address, and I'll send one to
    you tomorrow..

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