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Undocumented Gottlieb VS Pinball machine “short videos added”

By N80G80

4 years ago


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Post #52 Initial comments from Jon Norris Posted by Isochronic_Frost (4 years ago)

Post #101 Gottlieb closing, auction information. Posted by pinballguru (4 years ago)

Post #110 Jon Norris provides information on why Premier ceased operations. Posted by pinballguru (4 years ago)

Post #168 Summary of information up to post 168 in the thread. Posted by N80G80 (4 years ago)

Post #179 More photos. Posted by N80G80 (4 years ago)

Post #180 Video Posted by N80G80 (4 years ago)

Post #181 More video. Posted by N80G80 (4 years ago)


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#96 4 years ago

Thanks Lonnie for verifying me.

One on One was designed by me in late 1995 and we made a few (three to five) prototypes in early 1996. The game was an arcade novelty game based on the existing arcade hoops style games where the object was to make as many baskets as possible during a timed game. It had an adjustable "Catch-Up" feature, where if one player fell behind by 10 points, their baskets would score more points.

The game was never made because Gottlieb closed in July 1996. I do recall seeing at least one of these sold at the liquidation auction in late 1996.

A side note, I also designed an arcade novelty drag race game that used the same principle except that target hits advanced your car up a drag strip and the first car across the finish line won. Instead of a basket, this game used the drop target arrangement from Hot Shots, with standup targets replacing the drop targets. The cabinet was a side-by-side style rather than a head to head style. That game was titled "Eliminator" This game was done around 1990 and never made it past the whitewood stage and was killed when the company went to the street line design philosophy.

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#101 4 years ago
Quoted from N80G80:

Thanks for the info Jon! Do you figure the one I have is the one that sold at auction? All I know is it was operated by an arcade in Amarillo.

There were 3 months between the doors at Gottlieb closing and the auction. (We were hoping that Gil could find a new investor and save the company before the auction). A lot of people attended the auction and I don't remember who bought this game. Probably a game operator. Most of the items being auctioned off were factory and office items such as filing cabinets, desks, machine presses, etc. Not many games were up for bidding that day. I also remember a rack of populated whitewood playfields being sold.

Kind of a sad day because we know that Gottlieb was not going to be reopened any time soon.

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#110 4 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

According to the wiki:
" Premier Technology, which returned to selling pinball machines under the name Gottlieb after the purchase, continued in operation until the summer of 1996, when the declining demand for pinball machines forced the company to cease business. Premier did not file for bankruptcy, but sold off all its assets for the benefit of its creditors."

Yes, but inaccurate regarding pinball sales being the issue:

It was pinball keeping the company alive until the end. The issue was that Premier Technology bought a company called SMS with the hope of making video lottery and ultimately, slot machines. They were developing an electronic blackjack table game too (This was the early 1990s). In gaming and video lottery, each jurisdiction requires a separate license and it takes a very long time to get approved. By 1996, Premier only had 1 or 2 jurisdictions approved to sell gaming machines.

In the meantime they were paying interest on the debt for buying SMS and the interest rates were high back in the early 1990s. So this debt sapped the company dry before they could get the video lottery/gaming division producing revenue, despite decent pinball sales.

#148 4 years ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

Looks like we’ll have to wait and see when that next whitewood game shows up and baffles everyone! That’s pretty cool. Only one of these exists as a whitewood? Did this have physical cars similar to Corvette? Or was it some sort of display?

The cars were on the backbox as: (1- A string of lights or 2- Physical cars if the budget allowed). The prototype used lights to represent the cars.

#150 4 years ago
Quoted from dc2010:

This makes alot of sense, Williams stopped producing pinballs because the slot machines were much higher profit
Jon, did Gottlieb going under open the door for Williams?
If so, makes one wonder what could have been had Gottlieb been successful in the slot endeavor, maybe stern would've failed and we would be buying new Williams/Bally?

IMO, the big error from Gottlieb was not to create separate companies that could have insulated the gaming debt from the Pinball Company. Had Gottlieb never ventured into gaming (Slots), I do feel that Gottlieb Pinball would have survived the pinball market turn-down of the late 90's because they operated with a very small overhead when compared to the others.

#151 4 years ago
Quoted from N80G80:

Any chance you have any old photos of either of them?

Sorry, I no longer have any of my old pinball related photos from Gottlieb.

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