Undocumented Gottlieb VS Pinball machine “short videos added”

Recently acquired a Gottlieb VS Basketball Themed Pinball. I’m not sure if it was a prototype, or really anything about it at all. Anyone here have any insight? The game is titled One on One basketball, and is a cocktail style pin with a large acrylic dome.
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#2 1 year ago

MJH

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One of the tags says sample on it might be a good idea to back up the roms. Does it have the same hoops as Shaq Attaq? Maybe Jon Norris would have some info on it.

#3 1 year ago

Darcy

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You could have a 'One of a Kind". The name 'One on One' is not on IPDB.

#4 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from 20eyes:
One of the tags says sample on it might be a good idea to back up the roms. Does it have the same hoops as Shaq Attaq? Maybe Jon Norris would have some info on it.

I’m not sure about the same hoops as Shaq, the hoops move back and forth when you are playing....and good eyes on the sample tag, I didn’t notice that.

#5 1 year ago

MDS

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Did the seller have any insight to share with you?

#6 1 year ago

MJR

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https://web.amarillo-chamber.org/Vending-Services/Borchardt%27s-Coin-Machines-590

Quoted from Wmsfan:
Did the seller have any insight to share with you?

Seller didn’t know much about it, just thought it came from an arcade in Amarillo, because there is a sticker on it.

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#7 1 year ago

LEO

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They seem to still be in business.

#8 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from LeonSpinkx:
They seem to still be in business.
https://web.amarillo-chamber.org/Vending-Services/Borchardt%27s-Coin-Machines-590

That’s amazing, I couldn’t figure out what the hell that said.

#9 1 year ago

DCH

dc2010

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Tag says sample with a number 7 circled, possible test game?

#10 1 year ago

ZUL

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This is amazing. Nice find!!

#11 1 year ago

MGE

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Very cool piece of pinball history there. Jon Norris would definitely be the one to ask about it. Odds are pretty good that he had something to do with it.

I should have a good email address for him still. Shoot me a PM if you’re interested in contacting him.

#12 1 year ago

LXL

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OP
Quoted from N80G80:
Recently acquired a Gottlieb VS Basketball Themed Pinball. I’m not sure if it was a prototype, or really anything about it at all. Anyone here have any insight? The game is titled One on One basketball, and is a cocktail style pin with a large acrylic dome.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

All I can think is... WTF?!?

What an absolutely bizarre machine! Back up those ROMs ASAP, and get some documentation. Find out everything. Write it down. It’s not everyday a completely brand new never-before-seen COCKTAIL HEAD TO HEAD pinball machine comes to light! If those ROMs die then this game is probably useless. Back them up or contact someone who can!!! This is very exciting!

#13 1 year ago

TKM

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Holy shit, that is cool.

#14 1 year ago

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Wow, that's really interesting. Never heard anything about it before. Nice find!

#15 1 year ago

BBR

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Wow, that is neat. Congrats

#16 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from MattElder:
Very cool piece of pinball history there. Jon Norris would definitely be the one to ask about it. Odds are pretty good that he had something to do with it.
I should have a good email address for him still. Shoot me a PM if you’re interested in contacting him.

Matt you got a pm incoming.

Thanks everybody, I think it’s a pretty cool find too. And don’t worry I’ll be backing up the ROMS asap

#17 1 year ago

CRD

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Vey nice find! We shall call it Baby Shaq!

#18 1 year ago

MAR

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Very, very cool find!

The soundroms reveal the modelnumber: C103

Caribbean Cruise was C102
Night Moves C101

These cocktail pins were manufactured under the name of International Concepts.

#19 1 year ago

SAP

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Following!!

#20 1 year ago

MJS

Matesamo

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Wow, what a cool find! I am glad it wound up with someone who is willing to post info about the game. I am looking forward to seeing what Jon Norris can recall about the machine.

#21 1 year ago

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Can you post a video of gameplay?

#22 1 year ago

LKD

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Quoted from solarvalue:
Can you post a video of gameplay?

Oh yes, and detailed pics of everything please.

#23 1 year ago

TKM

Daditude

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Did you find any more info on it?

#24 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from Daditude:
Did you find any more info on it?

No more info at the moment. I’m waiting on responses from a few Gottlieb experts.

#25 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from solarvalue:
Can you post a video of gameplay?

I’ll post a video and better photos soon-ish. It’s actually at my friends house as he picked it up for me.

#26 1 year ago

DOG

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VERY cool!

#27 1 year ago

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Following! Cant wait to hear the history on this cool game.

#28 1 year ago

SPD

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That thing is neat o!! Thanks for posting.

#29 1 year ago

GWL

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Get it home. I want to play it.
The only basketball game I'm tall enough to play.

#30 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from gliebig:
Get it home. I want to play it.
The only basketball game I'm tall enough to play.

It’s a cocktail table, so you’ll have to bring your stool over so you can see over top of the game

#31 1 year ago

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wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow

#32 1 year ago

CRS

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Never seen one of those before, very cool! Interested in learning the backstory if you can get it!

Chris

#33 1 year ago

DOG

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would also love to hear how you came to find this and now own it.

#34 1 year ago

JEC

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n80g80 You should call Steve Young at Pinball Resource. He has the Gottlieb archives so he should have some information about this game.

#35 1 year ago

dmarston

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Quoted from MarAlb:
These cocktail pins were manufactured under the name of International Concepts.

Gil Pollock explained the relationship between Premier/Gottlieb and International Concepts several years ago at Pinball Expo. In brief, Premier acted as contract manufacturer, but allowed the games to be obvious as products of the Gottlieb pinball factory. IC wanted to do cocktail games; Premier had no interest in doing any; Premier never would have built a conventional-style pinball for another company. For this game, it would help a lot to find any info that establishes a date, because the IC-Premier relationship was already shaky when Carribean Cruise was on the production line.
.................David Marston

#36 1 year ago

LXL

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Quoted from MarAlb:
Very, very cool find!
The soundroms reveal the modelnumber: C103
Caribbean Cruise was C102
Night Moves C101
These cocktail pins were manufactured under the name of International Concepts.

Quoted from dmarston:
Gil Pollock explained the relationship between Premier/Gottlieb and International Concepts several years ago at Pinball Expo. In brief, Premier acted as contract manufacturer, but allowed the games to be obvious as products of the Gottlieb pinball factory. IC wanted to do cocktail games; Premier had no interest in doing any; Premier never would have built a conventional-style pinball for another company. For this game, it would help a lot to find any info that establishes a date, because the IC-Premier relationship was already shaky when Carribean Cruise was on the production line.
.................David Marston

Agree here, I’m questioning whether this was an International Concepts game or not? It’s a complete 180 from what the other 2 look like and this has Gottlieb’s name all over it.

I’m gonna hazard a guess that they had a design in mind for a 3rd game should it get to that point, considering they designed all the games. So they probably had this as a contingency plan and when things fell through with IC they put it out as a test, lost interest or went under by then and thus it’s lived in the wild since then.

#37 1 year ago

LXL

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It looks as if each side of the playfield can be lifted independently. Is there truth to that?

#38 1 year ago

MJS

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Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:
It looks as if each side of the playfield can be lifted independently. Is there truth to that?

Sure looks like two independent playfields from the photos.

#39 1 year ago

MJR

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Quoted from bluespin:
n80g80 You should call Steve Young at Pinball Resource. He has the Gottlieb archives so he should have some information about this game.

He was the first person I sent an email to, waiting to hear back from him.

#40 1 year ago

CEO

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Best i can do is 20 bucks

Nice one on one...

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#41 1 year ago

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Quoted from dmarston:
Gil Pollock explained the relationship between Premier/Gottlieb and International Concepts several years ago at Pinball Expo. In brief, Premier acted as contract manufacturer, but allowed the games to be obvious as products of the Gottlieb pinball factory. IC wanted to do cocktail games; Premier had no interest in doing any; Premier never would have built a conventional-style pinball for another company. For this game, it would help a lot to find any info that establishes a date, because the IC-Premier relationship was already shaky when Carribean Cruise was on the production line.
.................David Marston

1989, perhaps? That appears to be when both IC was involved and when the transition from 80B to System 3 happened.

On the wiring harness label and ROMs, I see there is a model number: C103. C101 was Night Moves and C102 was Caribbean Cruse, so it seems logical that this "one on one" game came soon after that.

Night Moves: https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=3507
Caribbean Cruse: https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=3003

#42 1 year ago

MAR

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Datecodes printed on the Integrated Circuits can indicate a possible production date assuming the boards are original. Shaq Attaq is from 1995.... Did Shaq Attaq borrow some ideas from this rejected(?) Cocktail Game?? Or was it the other way around?

Very interesting....can't wait about the story of this gem.....

#43 1 year ago

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did you find this on Facebook Marketplace? Pretty sure I saw the listing, sent an message but it was yours by then I guess. congrats on a very unique score.

#44 1 year ago

CJB

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John at John's Jukes might know something about it. What's his pinside name? flippers_com ?

#45 1 year ago

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OP
Quoted from N80G80:
He was the first person I sent an email to, waiting to hear back from him.

If you didn't send him a part number with that, you're probably out of luck, lol.

#46 1 year ago

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#47 1 year ago

MJR

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Pinball resources response:

You are very lucky, you got a prototype game that was never released into production -It Gottlieb Game Number is C03 (their third cocktail game).

#48 1 year ago

BUD

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This is insane, nice catch!

#49 1 year ago

LXL

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