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TZ restoration start....could use some ideas/advice on this one


By iamabearsfan

8 months ago



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#51 7 months ago
Quoted from robm:

This is something i've been trying to sort out, and had no luck. Super keen to hear any source of ramp flaps, i would grab at least 4 sets, and could easuly get others to join in if we found a source. Pinbits used to tsell them, but i have sent countless emails and they don't ever answer

I am sure there are a lot of old ramps out there that have good flaps you may be able to redo. Perhaps reblue them and reuse them.

#52 7 months ago
Quoted from fiberdude120:I am sure there are a lot of old ramps out there that have good flaps you may be able to redo. Perhaps reblue them and reuse them.

Check out what im starting with, these ones need a little more than reblueing!

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#53 7 months ago

Rusty or not I am jealous of your gumball wire ramp in the second picture. I have been searching the world over for one but cannot locate it for anything. I am planning a from scratch build and that is one piece holding me back. I may have to learn how to weld and make one haha!

#54 7 months ago
Quoted from robm:

Check out what im starting with, these ones need a little more than reblueing![quoted image][quoted image]

Order a new ramp and you will have a new flap. That is some rough stuff you have there, good luck.

#55 7 months ago

The more I look at those pictures the more I see a need for a garbage can. I have a smoked ramp with pretty good flap if you want it for free.

#56 7 months ago

Here is some updated pix...moving along fairly nicely. Did end up molex'n the coils. Just to make things easier down the road.

Doing a lot of the mods on the way. Biggest one is the 3rd magnet. Tomorrow I plan on doing the Opto board work for that part of the project. We did take a lot on at the same time we were doing the PF swap. Been a great project for my son and I. having a 3rd year Purdue ME as my partner has made this a blast to do. He has been awesome to work with. He knows someday this TZ will be his, so he is dialed in
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#57 7 months ago

A long time ago I purchased a 3rd magnet kit. Came with Optos.

The problem I have now is I am not positive which wire is the Kathode/Anode and Emitter/Collector.

Based on these pix, they are marked, but not used. Thoughts? Should I assume Green = Kathode and Gray = Collector?

Don't want to assume on this one

Dave

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#58 7 months ago
Quoted from fiberdude120:

The more I look at those pictures the more I see a need for a garbage can. I have a smoked ramp with pretty good flap if you want it for free.

Thank you for the kind offer. I am in Australia so shipping will be a killer...

I'm up for the challenge, will do a resto thread when i get into it. I'm thinking of powder coating all the wireforms in black

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#59 7 months ago
Quoted from fiberdude120:

If you are ordering a new ramp it should have the ramps already on them.

The thing is my ramps are in pretty good shape. It is just the flaps have some minor rust on them. So in my mind that is the only thing I should be replacing. God knows I have spent a ton of money on everything else

#60 7 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

It is just the flaps have some minor rust on them.

Can you blue them instead of replacing?

#61 7 months ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Can you blue them instead of replacing?

Not sure to be honest. Never thought about that. Is that a process? "Blueing"? Wonder if I can get someone to do that. The flaps are really good, just some minor rust spots that could be sanded off for sure.

#62 7 months ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

Not sure to be honest. Never thought about that. Is that a process? "Blueing"? Wonder if I can get someone to do that. The flaps are really good, just some minor rust spots that could be sanded off for sure.

sand them with some fine paper or steel wool and re-blue them. Get the kit from Cabelas, same as used for bluing guns.

#63 7 months ago

Some updated piz. Made some good progress this week. Got almost everything off of the top of the old game. Molex'd every coil (actually my son did that). Putting a ton of mods on at the same time. For now regretting the 3rd magnet. Been nothing but a headache....mostly my fault though

Details of what I am doing is on this spreadsheet for anyone goofy enough to take this project on. Some good stuff, some not good stuff, but trying to document my mistakes as well.

What a journey!! These boards have been great for ideas/feedback/counseling....

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#64 7 months ago

In the picture with the door panel electronics, I see the two (left out in production) flashers added under Gum and Ball. There are some kits available in the shops but they are pretty expensive. This looks like something I could do myself just ordering some small parts. Do you know if there are any diy instructions available for this ?

#65 7 months ago
Quoted from RonH:

In the picture with the door panel electronics, I see the two (left out in production) flashers added under Gum and Ball. There are some kits available in the shops but they are pretty expensive. This looks like something I could do myself just ordering some small parts. Do you know if there are any diy instructions available for this ?

Not positive. I know MANY moons ago I purchased a door flasher kit. I wouldn't imagine it being too hard though.

#66 7 months ago
Quoted from RonH:

In the picture with the door panel electronics, I see the two (left out in production) flashers added under Gum and Ball. There are some kits available in the shops but they are pretty expensive. This looks like something I could do myself just ordering some small parts. Do you know if there are any diy instructions available for this ?

Added mine by using a couple spare 906 sockets. Hooks up to this connector. Red, Green/White, Black/Yellow.

Easy peasy, almost free with great effect.

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#67 7 months ago

Thanks for the explanation and pictures, exactly what I was looking for!

#68 7 months ago

Another round of pix. How obvious is it that I am avoiding the pop bumpers? I still find it amazing there isn't a better way to do these things?!

But we will work them next as we are coming to the time to do the actual swap. Slowly but surely!

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#69 6 months ago

Updated pix. Got the old playfield out. The see of wires is now in it! Man that looks like a mess! Now it is time to work on the cabinet a bit. I do plan on installing mirrors. I am worried about clearance. My plan is to sand down the inside of the cabinet as well as the sides of the playfield a bit. Even if I gain .1 mm on each piece, I am hoping it gives me some more clearance.

Then I have to work on the lighted speaker panel. I have pinball pro speakers and the kit does not support that. I designed a new bracket in CAD and will be trying to print that today on the 3D printer. If it goes well, I can share the STL file if anyone else goes down that road.

Plan at this point is to get the new playfield into the machine as soon as possible to turn it on. I want to test the optos out on the 3rd magnet before I start putting anything else together. Also test the other optos. What is clear is that the holes in that playfield were not spot on. The optos don't have tolerance.

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#70 6 months ago

Well now to start the nasty. Have to take that glob at the bottom and find a home for it on the playfield. To be honest, I am further along than I thought I would be. I am now very happy I took the time to molex the coils. Makes this part of the job (and any future maintenance) very simple and manageable.

I also ordered the side protectors from Pinball Life. I will be using them on all of my machines as I work on them. Brilliant idea. They work great. Mirrors installed and protected while I populate the rest of the playfield.

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#71 12 days ago

Well time to restart this project. This all took a back seat. Two things happened at the same time. First Covid made a lot of work for me (I run IT for Joliet) and the second thing is my sons started a Jazz mouthpiece business. The latter has really taken away all of my free time. BUT I have to finish this thing. Might be looking for some help because I was stumped on a couple items.

No one can come to the house because wife won't let anyone in. Might be willing to pay for a Facetime session if there is anyone out there interested. The biggest issue is row/column issues as well as a couple other weird GI issues.

I probably am about 60% done. Of course the last 40% is three times harder than the first 60% right?

Belated Happy New Year to you all!

Dave

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#72 12 days ago
Quoted from iamabearsfan:

Well time to restart this project. This all took a back seat. Two things happened at the same time. First Covid made a lot of work for me (I run IT for Joliet) and the second thing is my sons started a Jazz mouthpiece business. The latter has really taken away all of my free time. BUT I have to finish this thing. Might be looking for some help because I was stumped on a couple items.
No one can come to the house because wife won't let anyone in. Might be willing to pay for a Facetime session if there is anyone out there interested. The biggest issue is row/column issues as well as a couple other weird GI issues.
I probably am about 60% done. Of course the last 40% is three times harder than the first 60% right?
Belated Happy New Year to you all!
Dave
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Welcome back. Switch issues...section 6.26
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC

#73 10 days ago

Whoops, saw matrix and thought "switch" but you are interested in "lamp" matrix. Explanation and testing process begins after section 6.25.4.2 Controlled Lamp Operational Description

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