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deeproot Pinball thread

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3 years ago

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Post #111 Firsthand information from the Magic Girl programmer. Posted by applejuice (3 years ago)

Post #3026 RAZA promotional video Posted by vireland (1 year ago)

Post #5771 First RAZA gameplay video Posted by ZMeny (1 year ago)

Post #5874 RAZA video with more audible game sounds Posted by zaphX (1 year ago)

Post #5926 First RAZA video with successful ramp completion Posted by zaphX (1 year ago)

Post #5967 Another RAZA gameplay video Posted by flynnibus (1 year ago)

Post #6050 Closeup pictures of key playfield features Posted by Potatoloco (1 year ago)

Post #6133 Video of display animations Posted by LateCenturyMods (1 year ago)

Post #6329 Summary of Robert Mueller's interview Posted by jeffspinballpalace (1 year ago)

Post #6724 RAZA Gameplay video Posted by DS_Nadine (1 year ago)

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#1886 2 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Goonies photoshop job looks to be roughly between 5th and 7th grade level of skill. Pinball trolls need to work a little harder on the next one.

Who has time for Photoshop? I did that in five minutes with generic fonts in Microsoft Paint.

#1887 2 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Artwork is from Fanart.tv

...and it's obviously not from there. You think 5th grade skill could cleanly remove that logo from the artwork? Nice try, smart guy.

#1890 2 years ago
Quoted from lpeters82:

I have below a 5th grade skill and could quite easily remove (or more likely just trim) that logo from the original artwork.

And then black out all the spaces between letters? Sounds like work! Let's get an actual 5th grader in here and see if he can do it.

I just found an image that already had the logo off to the side. Work smarter, not harder.

#1891 2 years ago

Mostly I just want "deerpoot" to become a thing.

#1893 2 years ago
Quoted from lpeters82:

PS: I finally took down your pop bumper (default champion) on my TNA. I think it might have been the last record to fall.

Nice! Seems like it would be easy with the pop bumper so exposed, but any game where you hit the bumper a lot is usually a short one.

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#1918 2 years ago


#1997 2 years ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

So they are burning $75k a month right now

Add a zero.

#2063 2 years ago

Can't you just feel the love emanating from Ben's whole being?

#2075 2 years ago

You guys just can't wait for virtual sex, huh?

1 year later
#6937 1 year ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Please. NO game should Ever be like BK3!

You can finally cut loose and tell us what you *really* think now that you sold that boat anchor!

9 months later
#10196 4 months ago
Quoted from Pahuffman:

Wasted a lot of people's time.

What, like five minutes? They have a long way to go to catch up with deerpoot.

#10200 4 months ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Update: Delayed beyond today. LMAO!!!

What's another day, week, or month? It's been years.

#10210 4 months ago

Who needs a countdown when you can have a countUP!


#10250 4 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

I was thinking today maybe they could have the last laugh...but NOPE.

Good thing about waiting a couple years is you're guaranteed the last laugh. Everyone else is all laughed out.

#10408 4 months ago

All this for a Popadiuk game.

#10512 4 months ago
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:

It’s clear these people don’t understand pinball.

But, but... it's easy!

#10685 4 months ago
Quoted from m00nmuppet:

It's almost as though.....how does someone NOT place a beer there? It looks like it was made to hold beer steady...

Reverse beer seal. Funnel the liquid directly into an electronic screen.

It's almost like whoever designed this cabinet has no clue about commercial use. Or even your average pinball party where everyone's half-tipsy and carrying a beverage. Or kids.

#10690 4 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

I like the crotch speakers. You could play voice clips there to better help the player.

I'm not sold on 'em. Still haven't evolved ears in place of testicles.

#10694 4 months ago
Quoted from drfrightner:

One thing I totally don’t get is why this game isn’t powder coated after waiting three years.

Because big shot Bob has a boner for '90s Williams. Stainless is more expensive but seems cheaper to modern buyers, lose/lose.

#10750 4 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Why does everyone keep overlooking, Multimorphic P3?

Those look like crap too.

IN MY OPINION, relax people.

#10862 4 months ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Im new so I havnt been through the past of this ,but I have read the story .I kinda like this dude JPOP

In your defense I’ll assume you’re drunk, considering the punctuation. At any rate, you’re in a very exclusive club.

#11026 4 months ago

I don't even know where to start. Okay, that's a lie, I'll start here: Food Truck.

Deerpoot will need its own wing of the pinball history museum.

#11066 4 months ago
Quoted from Russell:

To be fair, this TWIP story shows Deeproot in a much better light than the stuff yesterday.

Of course it does. TWIP's choices are to publish something flattering, or have big shot Bob excel at his true calling, legal threats.

#11083 4 months ago

Theme is the alpha and omega of modern pinball. If they announced a Harry Potter game with zero platform innovations, people would be lined up with $10k in their hand. Instead they spent years and millions reinventing the wheel for a car no one wants to drive. Cargument!

#11242 4 months ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

I’m not reading all this everyone knows where I stand .I stand with DR I’m on this like sweat on nuts!!!!!Exiting times in this hobby !!!!!!!

It's beer:30 again.

#11244 4 months ago

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#11254 4 months ago

Pinbar reservoir looks about 18"x4" and a quarter inch deep, which is 18 cubic inches, almost exactly ten fluid ounces. Won't quite hold a beer, especially not at playing pitch.

#11429 4 months ago
Quoted from wesman:

when presented with the coin door interface (Never really heard it's designation brought up.) I wondered why this archaic piece of equipment was the main interface for diagnositics, settings, etc, and not just a phone.

Because it's simple, time tested, rock solid technology that just plain works. I can navigate a Williams or Stern menu faster than you can do anything on a fancy touchscreen device. Never have to worry if my app is updated. Never have to go upstairs and grab my phone if I left it in the living room. Never have to troubleshoot the bluetooth dongle firmware or whatever the hell will inevitably break my ability to change something I can do in ten seconds with existing hardwired buttons. Don't have to worry about fat-fingering something on a touchscreen.

Ask any operator or longtime collector if they'd trade their coin door buttons for an app.

Quoted from wesman:

Again, (Also as a new owner) setting up a game, moving it, removing the glass, playfield movement, all things I felt were either confusing, outdated or inefficient.

Outdated, you mean like pinball itself? All of those things you listed have been distilled down to their simplest essence over decades. No frills, just basic, commercial-grade mechanical functionality that even a luddite old-school operator can figure out without software or even a paper manual.

#11434 4 months ago

It's a manufacturing business, period, full stop. If you aren't manufacturing pins, you don't even have a business. Design is just one department that feeds the assembly line, like human resources, procurement, accounting, etc. Sure, design is the part that excites us, but it's not a business. It's just an expense.

The. Line. Is. Everything. And I haven't seen any evidence that deerpoot has one.

#11510 4 months ago
Quoted from Sly_Old_Devil:

Imagine having a bouncing/moving "boom" button instead of a static one, that's a simple idea...or have a virtual death save 2D "video mode" to try and bring the ball back to life again. Kinda like 3D Mario turning into 2D Mario and back again...3D ball -> 2D ball -> 3D ball again.

I prefer to spend my pinball time actually playing pinball, not a shitty video game. "Tap the moving thing on the iPad" is for seniors with dementia to keep their brains active.

#11546 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

You're going to take the Pinside hivemind over someone who actually played it and said straight up it doesn't cut into your hands?

Yes, I'll take my years of experience playing old Williams games with square lockdown bars over comments from a deerpoot-approved "correspondent" who knows big shot Bob will threaten him with violating an NDA if he says anything too critical.

#11548 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Dude, not while I'm in the middle of taking a drink.

2020, the gift that keeps on giving.

#11551 4 months ago
Quoted from zaphX:

I read this as "I will form my opinion based on a few photos and refuse to budge no matter what."

Lol, c'mon dude. Yes, I believe my eyes. It's a square-edged lockdown bar. They aren't comfortable.

#11556 4 months ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

they have way too many experienced pinball designers to make a mistake like that.

Do they feel free to speak their minds without fear of repercussions?

#11560 4 months ago
Quoted from PtownPin:

if the bar was slicing up hands clearly they would go in another direction

No one thinks it's literally slicing hands. Just uncomfortable (or even painful) to play if you do any amount of nudging.

#11566 4 months ago

Frisco really is gonna die on this hill.

#11583 4 months ago
Quoted from RCA1:

While I agree with this, I think that one of the examples was not primarily designed to fit "hands".

Where are you doing with the rake handle?!?

#11638 4 months ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Yeah it’s too bad some idiot invented the “car”.Id much rather in a buggy smelling a horses arse.

Of course we're anti-progress, this is a pinball forum. You may as well be posting at buggywhips.com. Pretty sure there's a PlayStation 5 with your name on it if you want the latest & greatest gaming experience.

#11875 3 months ago
Quoted from j_m_:

if the game is started, players added, etc... all options done through the pinbar,

Strongly dislike this idea. I enjoy the tactile satisfaction of walking up to a game and BANG-BANG add a couple players from a real start button. Why are they spending thousands (millions?) of development dollars to make the simplest things harder AND less fun to do?

Cargument time! It's like when they replace volume & climate knobs with a touchscreen. That is NOT an upgrade.

#11890 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Do you want to be more blue or red? WTH does that even mean?

I know you're not that dumb.

#11892 3 months ago
Quoted from j_m_:

hence why ford (and other auto companies) have gone back and replaced most of those touchscreen controls back to physical switches. too many customers complaining about losing the ability to do anything when the touchscreen stops working.

First time I saw a Model S with that giant tablet in place of the entire console I was like, never buying one of those. Touchscreens are not luxury, they are just everyday junk now. That's what cars looked like in 1970's sci-fi. I hope someone makes "cheap" cars with knobs (which are actually way more expensive) as long as humans drive them. And pinball machines with buttons.

#11893 3 months ago
Quoted from John_I:

I don't mind plastic ramps, but I am surprised that the plastic ramp police who like to bug Stern so much haven't come out in this thread.

We are so far from a working production machine that frivolous concerns like "gameplay" seem irrelevant.


#11898 3 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Does the thermostat on your wall at home have a temperature number or do you just add more wood still?

It has a giant knob and one button that physically clicks, no touchscreen.

#11977 3 months ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

This so reminds me of the JPOP days when people would tour his facility and report back with how promising things looked and all the cool stuff that was in the works.

Those were certainly some rose-colored glasses. I visited Zidware once to buy a pre-war bagatelle game. John gave me a tour of the "operation," which consisted of one kid hand-wiring the underside of a playfield (no harness), and a few prototype machines in various states of incompletion. RAZA, couple Magic Girls, that Kiss "machine," and a street-level throwback sci-fi game with solid state score displays in the lobby. John proudly gave me a Bally Pinball Wizard t-shirt he'd faithfully reproduced. Between that and the couple nice Zidware shirts he gave me over the years, seems like dude missed his calling.

P.S. Speaking of that old bagatelle, pretty sure I'm the only person who ever bought and received a game from Zidware.

P.P.S. That game was Contact Master, the exact machine that ended up at Pinball Life's open house party and inspired Terry to create Scoregasm Master.

P.P.P.S. I broke John's NDA posting this stuff. Oops.

#12027 3 months ago
Quoted from Friengineer:

Here's something that I've always wondered. If I wanted to manufacturer a pinball game, do I need to recreate my own brackets, pop number assembles, and drop target assemblies? Do these companies make their own or license the stuff? How does that work?

I'm assuming they make their own coils?

If you're smart you don't make any of that crap. No license needed, just buy it. TNA homebrew was designed with as many off-the-shelf parts as possible. I think only its ball guides and plastics are custom. Game made it to production and is a blast to play.

Sure, people want cool toys, custom design those. But don't waste time cutting a Z logo into your coil brackets like Zidware.

#12046 3 months ago
Quoted from nwpinball:

That's what I found so weird with Heighway and Alien, they spent a lot of time reinventing the wheel on things.

That's the fun part!

#12091 3 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

that Stern still uses the Dot Matrix GUI from Baywatch for the systems menu is lackluster beyond belief.

What specifically is wrong with it though? It's simple, effective, easy to understand, quick & easy to navigate. Why spend development time & resources polishing the plumbing when you can furnish the house with that money?

I can at least understand the pro-pinbar arguments, although I don't agree with them, because it's player-facing.

#12192 3 months ago

Frobozz is messing with you n00bs. He was part of a team that invented that over 20 years ago.


#12215 3 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

His snide answer was at first off putting, “Using it” , to which I gave him a scowl, then he said “with fabric softener, the wax in it gums up the bearings.”, to which I asked “any way to prevent it?” and he replied “Use dryer sheets”...

Fabric softener is snake oil anyway. You got $400 worth of advice.

#12492 3 months ago

Still can't believe there are people who were swindled by JPop, hit the life lottery when a rich egomaniac volunteered to pay the debt, and doubled down on their poor judgement by saying, "no, keep the money, I'm sure this time will be different."

#12493 3 months ago

Meanwhile it's 8 years after the Pinside "release" date for RAZA, and the latest headline is You Can Make The Ramp.

#12496 3 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

JPop declined since this is not "how things are done in his company".

At least he was right about one thing.

#12622 3 months ago
Quoted from noitbe1:

At least they could offer a refund at this point.

So hopeless dreamers can turn it down again?

Reminds me of the joke about a guy stuck on his roof during a flood. He turns down multiple rescue attempts, confident that god will save him. Eventually drowns, goes to heaven, asks god why he didn't save him. "I sent you a rowboat, a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"

#12654 3 months ago

Yeah I have a hard time rooting for either side of a loudmouth Texas lawyer spat.

#12664 3 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I have no "spat" because i don't care,


#12756 3 months ago
Quoted from pin2d:

The six of us that went to deeproot will be joining the Virtual Pinball Expo for a live Q&A about deeproot tomorrow evening.

One of you should ceremonially rip an NDA in half on camera, then give us the real scoop. Until then, zero interest.

#12772 3 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Fun with Bonus without Deeproot news for 9 days

I have a ton of respect for Steve and do NOT want to put words in his mouth, but that FWB info dump struck me as "let's at least share everything we've accomplished for posterity before they pull the plug."

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#12943 3 months ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I wanted jp2 sooo bad, but it had a mono target.

At first I was like, "no it doesn't," but I guess you mean the raptor gate? Lol, what a hill to die on. Glad I didn't deprive myself of owning & playing maybe the greatest pin of all time because a standup target is two targets wide. Actually looks better mono, gives the impression of like, an actual gate. "World under glass" as the zealots say.

You could always get a pro and drink yourself to sleep every night to forget you're missing the gate.

#12963 88 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

I'm sure I missed a few though.

They even thought of outdated retro themes!
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#12992 86 days ago

And here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Mueller loves you more than all his dough
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Bob pays your fees, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinside holds a thread for those who pray
Pay, pay, pay
Wait, wait, wait

So here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Robert loves you more than pop-up trolls
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Hang it up please, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinbar cuts your hand just like a blade
Flay, flay, flay
Spray, spray, spray

#13063 82 days ago

All they had to do was deliver a mediocre J-Pop game in a WPC cabinet with P-ROC boards and watch the suckers line up to pay $7k+ for it.

#13078 81 days ago
Quoted from TM462:

I'm just waiting for the Limericks!

There once was a man from the south
Adept at running his mouth
Five days, then five years
His funds disappeared
Even deep roots dry up in a drought

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#13701 60 days ago
Quoted from kermit24:

They haven’t even updated the menu UI to LCD after all these years.

No need, it's simple, easy & just plain works. Operators don't want to learn a new system. Why should Stern spend money on things that add zero value to the player?

#13705 60 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

So is a rock - doesn't make it polished and desirable.

Congrats on the worst analogy I've seen this year and maybe ever.

When Flynn enters the argument you know it's time to exit. You guys enjoy daydreaming about intricate, complicated service menus.

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