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deeproot Pinball thread

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#108 6 years ago

In discussion with other past pinball designers (not modern) and industry support personnel offline, all moved quickly away from the potential prospects of employment within Deeproot. There is no reason to tarnish a professional reputation or be grossly entangled in added ruthless strong armed litigations by investors with no experience regarding direct pinball manufacturing (not historical individual interests).

This is not the proper baseline for establishing a pinball company.

This is further referenced by the launch of their website which is completely overwhelmed with worded legalities and no proper referenced aspects of understanding the fundamentals of pinball production. It looks from macro perspective more akin to an attempt to conduct a hostile takeover rather than a desire to integrate into this industry, a typical mindset approach of most corporate maligned attorneys, and highly damages public relations. There are finite amounts of resources and construction tooling available to make pinball games, none of which are inclusive in provisions of large capital income investments, as will be discovered unless negotiated further contracts are successful with less than supportive companies. This also includes immediate attempts to outsource future construction or buy companies outright, which was already responded with a flat out, "no". Providing an estimated NLT 2019 delivery date of an unknown product, no established facilities (presently only a whiteboard of ideas), and no parts contracts is especially risky in the present pinball industry, there was no wisdom there. Who cares if they "won't take preorder money"? Hiding in the dark is not going to promote good faith of the company especially in the long term market, which is stalling. Will the product be even viable and cost efficient when ready to build? Hard to predict, but unlikely.

Less eloquently and stated, "they already pissed off a lot of people", but whether they even care, I do not know.
They already alienated a large proportion of the entire community with their claims, processes, and subjugations.
They unimpressed knowledgeable industry professionals, repeatedly.

I reflect upon experience long before 2011 in periods from 1970-1990s where the industry was more healthy (at points, but certainly not constant) and vibrant, and even those periods were extremely competitive and difficult to those that chose to undertake the challenge.

There is a reminder at least to myself of the old phrase, "a chicken in every pot" here, if a person opts to believe it correctly applies to the pinball aspirations of Deeproot.

The quote, "Sure. Why not?" will haunt this company forever.
These types of situations are cancerous to the industry.

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#726 6 years ago

The aspect I find most interesting is Deep Root is rediscovering the same difficulties of working with JPop that BLY/WMS figured out with titles such as WCS94 over 25 years ago, not even discussing considerations of fast forwarding to the modern age in mid 2015 period with AP. The similarities are more than comparative.

Good ideas do not transfer into good engineering without solid experience or backup support. Being a pinball historian and realist has its merits.

Keep flipping.

#727 6 years ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

It almost seems like deeproot is trying to find new untapped markets (IE not barcades). I don't know, would anyone still play pinball at a grocery store (and would they care if it matched the theme?).

In order to introduce pinball to additional markets, there must first be a plan for a directed functional distribution model, which is not presently evidenced by my involvement in the industry. This is beyond understanding and action of the fundamentals of design, contracting for parts, manufacturing (direct or outsourced), and shipping. Ties to corporate industry giants (for markets) are costly, complicated, and often unproductive from the standpoint of niche products such as pinball. Stern already attempted this action in the past, and it proved wasteful in the long term. It can turn into a money pit.

Breaking the order of development (investment, team, management, development, design, prototype, contracting, distribution, manufacture, construction, market advertisement, shipping/receiving) unless full multitasked by separate teams also can lead to failures. Some areas are intertwined, some areas are repeated or continuous. Manufacture and and construction for example are not the same thing, but interrelated, because manufacture includes areas such as facility oversight, which construction does not in the industrial definition. Distribution planning of a new product comes early in the process, not later, long before actual construction.

This is yet another fundamental of developing a pinball company for game production and long term viability.
There is substantial work to be accomplished in a little over a promised year, especially since there is presently no product to either provide within a distribution model or a market, let alone the other areas mentioned.

What people should be asking upfront is who is actually leading this group of hired individuals to success and bringing them together as a cohesive team?
This I cannot answer, but no amount of litigation or lawyer language can remove the requirements of substantial experience needed in industrial manufacturing for the future.

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