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deeproot Pinball thread

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#1680 1 year ago

Yeah we really need a good Pin company as I’m just seeing the others cut corners. Hopefully J-Pop gets back to his 90’s glory and pops out some good machines

#1688 1 year ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Does anyone really think that's likely? Putting all the Zidware stuff, then his version of Houdini together, there was barely a single redeeming feature aside from a few elements of graphic design (which in some cases he initially tried to pass off as his own).
It was all total crap.
Not mad genius. Just mad.
If there are good or even playable 'JPop' designs, others will have done ALL the hard work.

Fact is J-Pop is the designer of several top 20 machines of all time and you’re not. Haters gonna Hate

#1696 1 year ago
Quoted from homebrood:

Correction, he played a marginal role on the design team on several top 20 machines and took credit for all the work most of which wasn't even his!



That’s strange Homebrood, IPDB seems to think different. No mention of “marginal” nor shared design credits.

Meanwhile your name shows up on zero pinball games as designer.

Maybe you should also let them know Sasquatch is real and designed Whitewater. After all, he’s right in the game hanging on a log, kinda like you hanging on to J-Pops N-U-T-Z’s.

#1809 1 year ago

I got a good look at Magic Girl at Pinball Madness, and whatever J-Pop turns out with this company, everyone will be in line to buy.

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#1813 1 year ago
Quoted from knockerlover:

That’s just about all that anyone can get is a “good look”. Because it sure as hell doesn’t do anything else..

Sounds like a bunch of butthurt haters in here. The fact there is a thread dedicated to J-pop is all you need to know. When I meet him I’m gonna hi five him twice. Once for all the great machines he designed and the second for pimpin all your money .

I saw nobody in line for Deadpool, Midevil Madness not Monster Bash, but all his Pins were non stop people waiting to play

So keep pretending he’s not the MAC. He got all your money and hasn’t skipped a beat and will have another great Pin out next year.

#1834 12 months ago
Quoted from pin2d:

I have no horse in this race - I'm not effected one way or the other if deeproot becomes a major pinball manufacturer or is a total failure, and I wasn't a Zidware customer.
If I were owed something from Zidware though, and knowing that right now JPOP has no funds to pay back Zidware customers and no means to make the machines without help...if deeproot can provide restitution to those effected by JPOP's past mistakes, isn't that a good thing? Or is JPOP so hated that - even if deeproot makes those effected whole - since they hired him, they'll never be accepted in pinball?

I’ll be buying one of his new pinball machines, just like everyone else when they come out next year.

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#1849 11 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Nearly all of the distributors that have contacted us sell Stern already. We’ve had some amazing conversations.

Awesome, can’t wait to see what you guys turn out

1 month later
#2145 10 months ago

Can't wait to see what machines J-Pop will create next with Deeproot, he has created the best Pins ever made and after I saw the unfinished Magic Girl, still looks like he's got the magic. 2019 will be the year of the Pinball Return!

#2149 10 months ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Troll post lol. Nothing to see here!

Nothing to see right now, but when J-Pop turns out another master in 2019, Ill be picking one of those puppies up

Haters gonna hate

#2163 10 months ago

So what date is the first J-Pop deeproot Pin coming out in 2019? Do we know what theme it will be?

#2182 10 months ago

Regardless of how butthurt a few are here, the complaints have no relevance on me (or anybody else) for buying the next great pinball machine from Deeproot or anybody else for that matter.

All that matters is how good it plays, the value for the price, and if its fun to ME.

So with that, keep the tears rollin here. Ill be off to play some J-Pop favorites (and Pinside/IPDB Top 20 Pins) like TOTAN, TOM, Cirque Voltaire, World Cup Soccer, etc.

Merry Christmas!

#2226 10 months ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I don’t agree with this. Frankly there are MUCH easier ways to make money than running a pinball company. If you’re not doing what you love and care about, personally and emotionally, then what’s the point?
But this is also my argument for why licenses are dumb so ...

The market is asking for more J-pop pinball games because Stern is turning out the same boring game with a different theme. Would like to see Williams & Bally get resurrected sometime as they made some of the best machines. Spooky is making some good stuff as well. Just saw Oktoberfest from American and that looked pretty good as well. Variety is key

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#2279 9 months ago

So, when is Deeproot going to reveal their first Pin? Doesn’t sound like anything is right around the corner. Summer?

3 weeks later
#2329 8 months ago
Quoted from deeprootmatt:

So i want to take a minute here to give my own personal account and experience working with Jpop. I figure a sort of third party opinion from someone who has been working closely with him over the last 1.5 years might be of interest. Again, this is my own personal opinion.
I will also preface this message with this: I get it. He screwed up. A lot of people here are upset. And i completely understand that. I will continue to stay out of that as much as i can and focus on what I can do: doing my part in bringing about success for deeproot.
John has been, and continues to be a great friend. He is always able to provide valuable insight into whatever aspect I am working on. The amazing conversations we have had are numerous, and his passion for pinball is absolutely contagious. I have now been brought into the pinball world i never knew existed.. and its amazing! I have learned more over the last 1.5 years than I could have ever imagined and John has had a big part in that. So I wanted to take this moment to share this with you guys, and take it as you will.
Also, I hate to leave out the other amazing people I get to work with as John is just one of MANY people at deeproot. All of us here are REALLY excited for what is to come, and it is coming!

Looking forward to all the machines you turn out. J-Pop has made some of the best machines ever created, so want to see what’s next. I know you have others coming as well, so get er dun

#2354 8 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Around August 2018 I was lead to believe it was certainly open and available for licencing, but at the time no pinball related pitches had been made other than the VPcabs & Zen pinball projects..... so did you pick it up after August/late 2018?

Maybe I should ask George McFly, he’s my neighbor.

So, Deeproot - when you chime back any, can you give us any date of the next announcement? Just curious if anything is coming out in 2019

#2357 8 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

What the hell are you posting here fore then? Wasting time man, go knock on his door and ask!

I need a contract first so he can grant his and the McFly family’s permission to allow Deeproot to make the pin

Who actually owns the BTTF license anyway? Disney?

#2363 8 months ago

The key to getting Micheal to sign over is the same way to get any star to do something they ordinarily would be against, and that is to donate to their charity. Michael has his own foundation for Parkinson’s and Spielberg who owns Amblin has Righteous Persons Foundation which a portion of each Pinbal Machine sold would go to those?

Anyway, we have a lot of Pins coming out so it’s all possible

#2396 8 months ago
Quoted from pin2d:

I try to work with all manufacturers as much as they will let me. If I'm shown something privately that they don't want public, I don't share it of course.

So you’re saying you saw something amazing you can’t tell us about? Or nothing to see, move along?

#2403 8 months ago
Quoted from BrewinBombers:

Someone who thinks "guerrilla warfare" is racist doesn't know the etymology of the word or understand that guerrilla and gorilla are different words. Not political, just facts.

Ima guerrilla gorilla on a tortilla

#2429 8 months ago

So any new news on Deeproot Pins? If not, go ahead and return to the normally scheduled argument about how many pins could a pin maker make

#2438 8 months ago
Quoted from bwill:

apropos of nothing...
It was 'You see Venus move in and put the gorilla effect on, charging'. There was some debate if it was gorilla or guerilla. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What a bunch of Gorillas

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#2444 7 months ago

Spelling is relative. Do we actually know how many pins are made after our fellow Primates? I can think of 5

#2447 7 months ago
Quoted from knockerlover:

The correct answer is TZ, WIJ, STTNG, DM, RS, JD, Roseanne Barr, Popeye

Here’s mine:

GNR, WIJ, TZ, RS, STTNG, Genie, Your Moms

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#2547 7 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I'm wondering if the TN tag is taken...

Everyone is focused on J-Pops next Machine, but what about Nordman’s? I see him on the roster, what is his next Pin?

#2554 7 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

The first has internal code of MA. The second he announced at Expo.
—Robert dT

Thanks guys, looking forward to them

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#2559 6 months ago

Well, looking forward to whatever they turn out even if it’s a pin called Finger Ass

#2624 6 months ago

This probably makes the assembly much quicker instead of assembly outside the cabinet the transferring it back. My guess is this was/is a major pain point and in efficiency in which this improves time to deliver.

#2709 6 months ago

Would be nice if Deeproot dropped an clue tomorrow to make the JJP hype take a u-turn

#2719 6 months ago
Quoted from adol75:

With JJP coming up with Wonka, revealing a Deeproot pinball feels like pushing an indie ps4 game the day Take 2 releases a new GTA. Not sure it's a good idea !

Wonka just fizzled, so it’s really up to Deeproot now.

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#2978 6 months ago
Quoted from lpeters82:

I thought it might be interesting to try to date just how long it's been since JPop designed a functional game.
* Gas costs were on average $1.25 per gallon
* Barry Sanders was still in the NFL
* Vince Carter was a rookie in the NBA
* Pre-Y2K
* Jon Snow (Kit Harington) was in elementary school
* Spice Girls were on tour
* There was no Xbox
Again, I want there to be a redemption, but it's a little unbelievable that anyone is still willing to invest so much into him after this many years.

And his games are still better than any pins released in the last 20 years.

It’s going to be difficult for him to Top already what’s in the top 20, but hopefully he pulls it off

#3034 6 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

His games suck ass.
The best one he ever made he didn't even finish (World Cup Soccer - thanks to whomever at Williams took that project over).
There's never been a single more overrated "classic" pinball designer than Jpop. I do not and never will understand the cult.

You are alone with your opinion, but that you are entitled to.

Meanwhile 3 of his pins consistently are on every top 20 list. So they hold up as some of the best ever made.

Sounds like maybe you need a hug from J-pop Levi?

#3042 5 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

I can help arrange that!
—Robert, dT

#3107 5 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

I found an image of what your smart phone would look like if it were limited to 35 year old tech like a pinball machine.
[quoted image]

I made a boat load of money selling those. Somebody is probably paying top dollar for those now

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#3232 5 months ago

So any new news on when some pins are gonna show up? Maybe they’ll wait till Pinburg to reveal

#3247 5 months ago

Is a Deeproot group hug in order? Hopefully y’all can get your dues and we can move on to some more good ol pinball machines coming out

#3279 5 months ago

Yeah I’m about to start a new positive Deeproot thread with zero J-pop crying allowed or get booted. Then this thread can’t be renamed “Bitter People Venting as The World Turns” and left for those that still continue to feel like “I need a hug Deeproot, J-pop destroyed my entire life” thread.

And good point above, this company has many other designers, developers, and people just trying to release new pins simply for our enjoyment. Can we just allow them to try and do this?

In the meanwhile, how about them great Deeproot Pinball machines coming out soon?

#3319 5 months ago

He’s my dad too. But then who is your mom?

#3322 5 months ago

Mine is Michelle Belle, the GNR one, not the Beatles

#3340 5 months ago
Quoted from KoolFingers:

We use to take them behind the barn to shoot them not to release them in the pasture.

Unless you have a pasture right behind your barn

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#3571 4 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...
— Robert dT

The truth hurts, Stern is turning out plastic garbage. The Playfields look like kinkos prints and Deadpool looked like Deadpeal from all the orange peel and dimples in the playfield. And spike will be the death of Stern as people want to be able to repaire their own machines, not dispose of them when they go bad

JJP is at least taking risks, so we can definitely use another quality Pin manufacturer in the mix, otherwise we’re gonna to end up with Sterns oversized Zizzles

#3574 4 months ago

Sure hope so, for the benefit of all here

#3576 4 months ago

I’d drink a beer with J-pop. Much more interesting conversation than this thread

#3581 4 months ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

You should look him up. I'd guess that if you're buying, he's drinking. Just leave your checkbook at home, despite outward appearances he evidently has a mesmeric power to talk people into terrible financial decisions.

Yeah, he’s gonna pay and wallet left at home

#3637 4 months ago

Ok, since you went there...

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#3726 4 months ago

So, when’s the first Deeproot pin coming out? Is it RAZA?

#3781 4 months ago

Mmmm, Bacon & Pinball

#3793 4 months ago

Is it just me or when you hear RAZA do you think of Kid Frost?

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#4121 3 months ago

So when are these machines coming out?

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#4277 83 days ago

Yeah Deeproot better have something this year. Stern and JJP are just crankin them out and curious when we are going to hit a saturation point

#4287 83 days ago
Quoted from WackyBrakke:

I know I'm saturated and done. I like all the games in my collection and have no more room. So I'm done

Yeah, it’s gonna take something far out to make me replace a pin. I have all the ones I wanted and the Barcade owners can hold onto and maintain the rest for me

1 week later
#4404 76 days ago

On Day 7, Deeproot gives out free pinball machines to the people not complaining about Deeproot for 1 day

#4407 76 days ago

And all this time I thought it was Columbo

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#4462 70 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Anchor Bay copies of SH has Alan Spencer on camera specifically stating that they removed the laugh track so fans can laugh when they want to as opposed to where they “should.”[quoted image][quoted image]

Damn, we’re really looking to lure Deeproot out of hiding with all this Sledgehammer talk

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#4612 59 days ago

Yeah it’s very clear Pinball is mice nuts on what Deeproot does as a whole. They have a pretty impressive staff of animators for TV, Movies, etc and very little for the Pinball part.

So they can turn out Pinball in 2026 or never as they have many other revenue streams

#4617 59 days ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

They have no revenue streams, remember.
You're talking about potential revenue streams. Competition is also rather more cuthroat in gaming than pinball, even if potential sales and profitability are on a completely different scale.

Actually you’re wrong, look at their studios page. There main business is not gaming, it’s video & animation. For TV commercials, movies. Gaming is probably next and pinball is a very small portion based on their roster

#4620 59 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

You are once again late to the party and way I’ll informed. Don’t count sister company,s work as deeproot pinball work and revenues.

Once again, you come with not facts nor even to bother looking at their site. Since you are unable, I brought it to you to make it easy for you. They are Deeproot Studios and Pinball is only 1 of the divisions

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#4622 59 days ago

"Based in San Antonio, Texas, deeproot® is a family of companies founded by financial and legal professionals with decades of combined experience in the financial markets. deeproot® designs, operates, and manages alternative private equity funds, and investment debenture funds, for accredited or non-accredited investors."

Pinball isn't even mentioned. So the parent company and other companies are making the money. Eventually Deeproot Pinball, but everyone here who thinks they are going out of business because of some simple pinball machines is wrong.

Regardless, looking forward to them turning out a pin, but they are not leaning on this division so they can take their time if they want

#4629 58 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Because we know more than just what goes into big claims on a website? Why don’t you do yourself a favor and go back to the very start... he’ll even just read the news articles if you want the tidy versions, and get educated.
I’m not “coming with facts” all listed out and organized for you because I’m not your freaking hand maid. I don’t have to make a case because This is all research and knowledge accumulated years ago and common knowledge now. But once again, you come strolling in late, and telling everyone they are wrong because you simply don’t have the baseline understanding Of what is going on.
Go start and learn where deeproot’s money, and leadership come from. It’s selling insurance and investment funds. They started businesses under the deeproot name umbrella. These are startup projects (including their animation group) - not established cash generating businesses.
You seem to be a sucker for big bold claims on a website (Roberts favorite type of customer!). Go try finding the portfolio of clients and past projects of “deeproot studios” instead.
Here... I’ll give you a running start... one piece for you.. https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/deeproot-update-plus-interview-new-hire-new-building-new-creative-studio-new-licenses-and-help-offered-to-those-who-lost-money-on-pre-orders-from-other-companies/
Then go back and start with the reading on deeproot’s history and money.

Oh, I didn’t realize your were the CFO of Deeproot and know where they are getting money from.

So do you really think they have no money? Is that large talented staff hanging around for popcorn?

Pinball isn’t their primary business.

#4631 58 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

We're supposed to have glue guns too...
What classic quotes, starting at about 14:15... skipping all the other filler.

Id buy that machine. In that condition, better than most Sterns NIB

#4636 58 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Read what was posted - not make up your own stories. I didn't say 'they have no money' - in fact they had lots of money up front. They setup these pinball and digital creative studios with their investment funds... I'm sure they are trying to shop their digital studio for more work as well, but they aren't an established business able to float this thing.
You are under this misimpression that this is some umbrella of companies that decided to start a pinball side biz. That's incorrect. You have a money man who had a business setup to do investment schemes and had made money in prior ventures... who setup this new scheme with some undisclosed seed money. Outsiders do not know who the investors are.

So are you under the impression Deeproot is a Ponzi Scheme and an illegitimate umbrella of companies? I'm confused on what point you're trying to make here.

#4641 58 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

This will be Wolfemaaan’s next post.

You said earlier that Deeproot hasn’t made any money and now you’re saying they have? Make up your mind.

Right? What exactly is this guys point other than to continue to argue about some point nobody seems to be able to figure out.

Curious why these guys have a vendetta for a brand new company who is using their creative studios to do lots of interesting ventures one of which happens to be pinball. I see this negative talk about the owners as well even though they haven’t did any business with anybody here.

So if you just came here wish these guys failure, disappear and go somewhere else. Otherwise the rest of us are looking forward to see what this company is going to turn out

#4643 58 days ago
Quoted from frolic:

If you are asking a sincere question, the answers are in this thread. Extreme hubris. Disparaging of the existing pinball companies and products (that we all enjoy now). Blown self-imposed deadlines which erode confidence. Weird legal threats for pinside posts. Hiring of a pinball pariah who harmed a ton of pinheads (only some of which are made whole from the deeproot deal - a minority and certainly not all). Following the well-worn path of all pinball start ups to talk big, and then as deadlines fall to start dribbling out things like art which after the "pinball is easy" talk will create doubt in anyone.
That is my sincere answer to your sincere question.

Ok, I get that and appreciate the sincere answer. These items you mentioned are valid and you are entitled to be distrusting in them as they appear to have missed some promised delivery timelines. I wont argue with that. For me though, I have seen them pay back people they didn't have an obligation to, which have been confirmed here. That goes a long way in my book. And I haven't lost a penny personally watching Deeproot miss deadlines to turn out (we hope) to be spectacular machines. That I am hoping for. But IMO (and MO only) I don't feel at this point they've done anything to jump ship and count them out. But surely should that day come, I wont we spending 8 months here expressing that over an over. Ill just be like "Peace out Deeproot, was nice you tried but I have other pinball machines to buy and enjoy" and then never look back. But im hoping they get machines out.

But I hear you, Deeproot should have better communication with their potential audience or they are going to lose customers such as yourself.

#4655 58 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Did you miss those key words "investors" and "investment"?
Making money and having money are not interchangeable concepts. I said they were well "funded" which means money they had access to. Nothing in the same discussion about "making money".
"Funded" is money coming from investors - not customers

That’s called revenue buddy, look it up. Once again though, what is your point here? They have enough money, however you chose to define it, in order to run this business. Not sure why you are having an issue with them. They’ve done nothing illegal and yet you seem to have a tone that they have. You're not an investor, so what is it? Is this J-pop who hurt your feelings. Come on, you can admit it. You need a J-pop hug don’t you?

#4656 58 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Hes a troll who should be banned.

You have 1 machine and curious what your purpose is to remain here? Maybe you should leave? Is there any positive reason you have for being here? If not, go somewhere else

#4658 58 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

One machine and infinitly more smarts than you. You clearly do not understand the difference between funding and revenue.
Also, I am DR target customer. Non brand loyal and looking for prices to be brought down. Hopefully they deliver.

Ok, well it’s hard to tell with all the negativity towards Deeproot. But if you are truely a DR future customer, well then carry on

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#4760 48 days ago

Somebody said this thread was a good place to discuss dimple issues. As a side note, has anybody tried to return parts to Marcos after 3 years?

#4765 47 days ago

Too also be fair, I’ve been told Deeproot will take back any pinball machines and parts issued 3 years ago

#4795 46 days ago
Quoted from kvan99:

I just want to chime in and ask where the f@ck where you guys hiding when I was fighting this dimple battle in the other threads? Well better late than never...pfft

Its very clear you were not properly arguing your dimple issues in the correct thread like this Deeproot one. #Dimpleroot

#4818 45 days ago

Never thought I’d say this in a thread about a pinball mfg, but can somebody please bring back Sledgehammer

#4835 45 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

I must have been on glue
[quoted image]

Oh, thanks! I was about to give in on the pool table dimples

#4842 42 days ago

This thread was quiet 1 day too long...

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#4916 33 days ago
Quoted from RonSS:

I'm new to this thread. Can someone summarize the last 98 pages for me please?
30 words or less.

98 Pages, 4 Words, Summerized

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#4940 29 days ago
Quoted from ThisNotes4U:

What happens if you are the poster that hits 100 pages? Prizes maybe? (nothing for first place).

Maybe, or maybe not. I’m expecting nothing, but maybe something?

#4942 29 days ago

Here’s a cat

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#4966 29 days ago
Quoted from Chalkey:

You can't have it both ways. Y'all brow beat the man to stop spending time interacting until he has a product to show and now he (apparently) has.
This is what you asked for, now feel free to show some patience.

Oh, I remember now. The topic is arguing with everyone over everything.

Continue on...

#5045 25 days ago

I remember Microsoft used to solicit me about their “total written from scratch” Windows 7 phone. Saying the code rewrite was “revolutionary”. I let the air out by saying “I don’t buy smartphones for code or rewrites, I buy them because I like them and they make my life more organized and easier”

Hopefully Deeproot doesn’t go down the same road and think we give a shit about 200 innovations. We only care about good fun pinball at a good price & value, the end

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#5060 14 days ago
Quoted from ThisNotes4U:

Seven days and still NOTHING? Something must be happening. I can't take many more months of nothing, so if you hear something please post it. (or not=nothing).

This is WHATS happening

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