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#641 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

My proof of claim is the Pinside thread I started years ago. I didn’t go through yrs of BS for the fun of it
I can’t go back and get canceled checks from that far back

Sooo, you got out lawyered. Nice.

#643 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Nope, DR has been really good and responsive about the claim. They discovered my payments through John's info. I only had $4250 in RAZA and AIW and had written that off long ago.
I'm on team DR now! Hoping for the best and success in this new venture.

Thats cool. I am too actually. Not sure why Deeproot gets so much hate, but if they help get you guys paid back or a game, shouldn't we all be pulling for them?

#657 1 year ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I'm hardly a Heighway cheerleader, my frustrations are pretty public, but there are over 100 Aliens shipped, and however many Full Throttles, maybe less than that, but still a real game you could actually play. The company is struggling, their communication sucks, they're constantly digging out of the hole Andrew left them, and I'm not blaming anyone for being frustrated with them too. But games have shipped, the code is real (that's a big one), I don't think they belong next to vaporware.

It's not that I want anyone to get boned, I have friends who lost money with Jpop. But I have a tough love approach to it personally. People took a risk, they got conned, and they lost their money. It sucks. For most people it wasn't a huge sum, but legit thousands. I just don't really think the lesson should be "don't worry, someone will bail you out" and then Jpop gets to have a job again. He should never get to work in the industry again, instead of being enabled. That's my perspective at least.
I'm not losing sleep over it, and if someone is crazy enough to try and take on his debt and make his customers whole I can't be mad about that part. I hope it turns out well.

I rarely disagree with your perspective, but on this.. Sure, those who got burnt may not even notice the money gone, but they still need to be made whole. If it takes managing jPoop, so be it.

#697 1 year ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Not sure what’s scarier - JPop with a light saber (cattle prod?!?) or the height of his pants.

Its a JPOOP designed, Deep-root funded probe! It comes in LE too..

#704 1 year ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

That is great! Now someone please do a version where the pants completely go over his head. Just arms and pants.

But keep the hair!!

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#740 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

Makes sense, being based in Texas, that they would launch at TPF.
However, that exposes their weak business model, IMO. Selling to pinball fans at shows. That works for Spooky and the numbers they push, but that is failure for anyone trying to be bigger than "boutique".
Pinball shows are low hanging fruit, but there isn't much.

They have taken a beating on Pinside without people seeing games. They need to change that narrative and let pinsiders get to actually know the company, good or bad.

#742 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

You don't think they'd have been better off not letting us get to know them?

Not if they are trying to see you a product.

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#800 1 year ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Come on, guys.. Deeproot was founded by an attorney. At least half of you have to be smart enough to know that the majority will be legally and definitively screwed by complete means of technicality roulette - minus a few lucky handful to make the whole thing look legit.

Seems their are many attornies on this site. A purge would be welcome.

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#891 11 months ago

Some zingers lately. Thanks guys!!

#987 11 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

I aint seen nothing yet.
All I see is talk about Ferraris at Yugo prices, and a mention of a $50,000 game that I would never want in the first place.

I would want it, if I couple afford a $50,000 pin means I'm rich AF!

#989 11 months ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

Savior of humanity? LOL. Guy’s a fraud, who got really lucky early in his career. Remember the “solar roof”? At the announcement, the demo panels weren’t working solar tiles. Elon could crush at boutique pinball because he already knows how to show up with just a box of lights

I thought he was being sarcastic. Please wolfmarsh please tell me you were being sarcastic!

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#1179 10 months ago
Quoted from Drewscruis:

They will be made out of "vaporware" completely indestructible due to them not existing.

What makes you say that?

#1194 10 months ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

What material will the Deeproot playfields be made out of? Will it be wood, or another material?

Someone mentioned oldhammers earlier?

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#1301 10 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

Really the end goal should be to remove everything mechanical and simulate the game with a high-quality 3D 4K LCD glass.
Use head tracking to change perspective on the fly.

Please God, no!

#1344 10 months ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Serious question. What is "visceral" about pinball that you don't think can be emulated with future technology?

The sound of the ball hitting the metal ramp and coming down the guide on Metallica! It's real, not tricking me with software. I dont want to wear a helmet to play and regardless of how well it's done, I just don't see it being the same.

#1345 10 months ago

Plus don't we look at screens all day. Phones, computers, etc etc. Mechanical anything is an escape from the digital realm.

#1352 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

It's awesome to dream, and I invite you to continue dreaming. We need more dreamers. If you're making an actual product, though, it'd better be anchored to something that is actually possible /now/.
Screen resolution isn't the issue. We need two inputs to see in 3D - left eye, right eye. That's why you'll probably always need goggles or glasses. You'll /still/ need a cabinet.
Maybe someday we will have cheap, lightweight glasses that can paint pixels right on our retinas with no latency and at the same resolution we see the world in. That's a hell of a big maybe, my friend.
Or maybe someday we'll have direct neural input, then we wouldn't need a cabinet. That's an even bigger maybe. A colossal maybe.

Indeed, I've been an early adopter all my life and continue to be one. I've been ridiculed (hell, even here) for being an early adopter by 'those people.'

Your comparison isn't apples-to-apples. There is a real need for autonomous vehicles and technology that looks promising; a product that nearly everyone would use. Virtual pinball is a niche of a niche of a niche. It's an expensive solution without a problem.

It's the apples to oranges scenarios that these guys are throwing out. 8 track to cassette to CD is apples to apples. Mechanical vs virtual is not the same in terms of advancement and progression.

#1373 10 months ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Yes, you will still have a cabinet and all the physical feelings/sounds from a cabinet. Inside the cabinet would be an 8k (or even better) resolution screen with real time head tracking capability to simulate 3d.
Look, I get that it is hard to imagine but just look where the tech was just 10 or 20 years ago and project where it's heading, what people/companies are working on to get to simulations much more complex than a pinball machine.
It will start with young people (as it usually does) and early adopters who see a benefit in having a maintenance free single machine they can play with their friends all over the world. There will always be a place for real pinball, just as there will always be a place for EM or even prewar collectors. Nobody will ask you to give up your machine or to stop loving physical pinball.

Young people don't have the $$$ it's going to take to buy one of these.

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#1442 9 months ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

How does Robert Mueller have time to run a pinball manufacturing company and also head up a Russian collusion investigation?

Since there is nothing to the Russian B's, he has plenty of time

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#1641 8 months ago

Ok all you who are bitching, what news do you have that is getting crowded out? Spill the beans. Or relax.

#1667 8 months ago

If people are looking for relevant updates, shouldn't everyone be banned from posting, unless you work for deeproot?

#1733 8 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

I'm must say I'm impressed with the presentation! I want one of each.
Where do I send my money?

PMd you!!!

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#2046 6 months ago
Quoted from Stuart_Pitt9876:

Yeah, um, about those Deeproot pinball machines...

What about them? Got any info?

Didn't think so, so relax.

#2088 6 months ago

Well played sir!

#2095 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I don't need to be offered a virtual pin, pin FX, or anything else not pinball.
I invested in Zidware to have a cool, hopefully unique and collectable pinball machine.
I'm now willing to settle for a nice playable machine. Ok, thanks to Robert's goodwill terms a couple of machines.
And before I'm in assisted living... they may or may not want them in the dayroom.

You are the first person I have seen who says they "invested" in ZW. Investors lose money a the time, better luck on your next investment. The rest of the "Buyers" should not have lost their money. Choose your investments wisely.

#2099 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Giving money to somebody or company, including JPop, for a product/something never made and only a fantasy vision, is always an investment or if you prefer, gamble. I always knew I could end up with nothing but fantasized it would be a great pin. If you had sent in money and were on Wordpress following the story, you would likely have been manipulated too.
If you didn't send in money to Jpop... STFU.

Wrong. A person invests in something to make money. You agreed to purchase a product from a company. What was the rate of return you were expecting on your investment?

#2100 6 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

You may not have put more money in, but you're investing more hope and faith in, " ..... a product/something never made and only a fantasy vision..."
At Expo, Robert confidently told us they would launch more titles (and have them ready to ship) in 2019 than anybody in the history of the industry, and it would all kick off in March at TPF. He'd been saying all year that they'd produce more units than the whole industry / Stern in their first year.
50 days later, he acknowledged their spending was unsustainable without a launch soon, pulled out of TPF, and 'hoped' the launch would be in 2019.
That's a pretty extraordinary climbdown, and it seems to suggest there's no chance whatsoever of them meeting the scale and bombast of his earlier stated goals.
To avoid major disappointment, or to be pleasantly surprised if they do pull it off, you might wish to reel in your expectations a little, rather than potentially falling into the same trap again.

History repeats itself.

#2102 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Playing a cool Jpop Zombie pinball.
With a glue gun, zombie chicks and some ping pong balls..

Still, a purchase. Were you promised those things?

#2117 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Well hell... you want me to tell you about the go-go girls, robots, rollercoasters, x-ray goggles, flying saucers, 3D glasses and zombie bowling?
Magno-ball lifts, a cat, neonized ramps, my plasma gun, (don't know what the hell 3D parts and a tilt-a-girl is), a swinging target and BEN'S HEAD!
Hell yes I was promised those things.... WTF do you think we are complaining about.
I was promised the moon and I want it!
Ok... I made up the ping pong balls but I felt it an awful lot like Mr Moose playing Captain Kangaroo.

Yes, you were promised a product, that you used money to purchase. You got ripped off. With an investment, there are no promises.

#2118 6 months ago
Quoted from frolic:

Still is a company. A lot of effort has gone into keeping it alive. Zidware still owes me a game.

Do you consider this a purchase, or an investment?

#2121 6 months ago
Quoted from boo32:

Aurich bragging about being able to recognize a pinball fraud?

Remember, Heighway had already produced one pinball machine before Alien. There is a difference.

#2130 6 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Jpop didn't crowd fund. He presold titles to fund his business. Customers bought into a boutique product model from a guy with zero capacity or business to actual deliver on the sales promises.
I say investing because these people bought with the idea that if they didn't... the product would not be made. It became an urgency to get in... while you could. All while ignoring the lack of ability to do it

How can seemingly educated people not know the difference between investing, crowdfunding, and purchasing lol. www.websters.com

#2139 6 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

They were pre-purchasing a product that didn't exist, hoping that with enough people doing it, it would be made. That is crowdfunding. Investing is completely different in that it doesn't stop at 'getting a product' (which actually is not the goal or promised to begin with).

And you are wrong as well. This was never advertised as a crowdfunding deal, or an investment. It was advertised as"You send us money, we send you a game when it's produced."
That, my friend, is a purchase.

At least only investors at the moment are waiting for something from deeproot.

#2141 6 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

Apparently you've never been part of a failed crowdfunding deal. Same thing. You only 'aren't purchasing' if the actual funding fails. If it succeeds, you purchased, and then you 'hope' you get your item. It is exactly this. Either way, it sucks balls and people who do it should be ordered to maid service to everyone they screw for a year each.

Point me I the direction of any screenshot, post, text, email etc etc where Zidware proclaimed this was a crowdfunding effort and might not happen?

Hint, it doesn't exist and to this day, he will probably tell you that it could "still" happen.

One thing you do have right, I have never crowdfunded. I would never send a penny to someone who hopes to make said product. That's just goofy lol.

#2147 6 months ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Can't wait to see what machines J-Pop will create next with Deeproot, he has created the best Pins ever made and after I saw the unfinished Magic Girl, still looks like he's got the magic. 2019 will be the year of the Pinball Return!

Troll post lol. Nothing to see here!

#2180 6 months ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

So what date is the first J-Pop deeproot Pin coming out in 2019? Do we know what theme it will be?

Shitshow LE. PM for details and exclusive insight showing how shit, will be shown. Payment information will be provided. FYI. Cash only.

#2184 6 months ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Regardless of how butthurt a few are here, the complaints have no relevance on me (or anybody else) for buying the next great pinball machine from Deeproot or anybody else for that matter.
All that matters is how good it plays, the value for the price, and if its fun to ME.
So with that, keep the tears rollin here. Ill be off to play some J-Pop favorites (and Pinside/IPDB Top 20 Pins) like TOTAN, TOM, Cirque Voltaire, World Cup Soccer, etc.
Merry Christmas!

Cool, keep flipping! We all hope it works out, as DP has not asked for $$$ from buyers. DP brought this on themselves by hiring this criminal. Seriously, what value does he bring to DP. None. Which indicates they didnt do any due diligence before hiring this thief. Also, with this announcement that they will not be revealing 1 game, let alone 5 at one time means one thing.

Pinball is hard, but people don't listen.

#2186 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Well I want to say it again. Deeproot had no obligation to give me anything... nada...
Robert called me personally to let me know I would be receiving 2 Deeproot titles for my monetary loss to Zidware.
So where the heck is the problem?
Has Deeproot asked money up front from anyone?
I'm willing to wait a little bit longer.... ain't costin' me nothin'.

Everybody wants you to get a pin or two. The bravado, the hiring and the walk back of bold statements by DP is the problem. Be cautious with a bit of hint of pessimism.

#2188 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

So I went from screwed out of $9500 to maybe getting a couple machines? I can actually be a bit optimistic.

And you and others deserve to be made whole. No pessimism there.

#2216 6 months ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

You realize they already did made commitments to early Zidware buyers when this all started which they didn’t need to clean up his mess but did.

And people believed him and believed DR was somehow different. I just don't get it.

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#2239 5 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

"The designer will also help set up the machine, discuss the design process and the game, and play your game at your place of residence!! You can invite up to four friends."
The above looks awfully familiar ... sounds like someone we know is calling the shots.
Is JPop's body an empty vessel, with one of those parasitic mind slug things controlling it, and has he infected RM?
Seems like it.

You have got to be kidding me!!!

#2247 5 months ago
Quoted from lancestorm:

It’s a repost dude and now you look silly

The mere fact they said it once is enough to repost and laugh. Did he seriously not know JPOOP did the same thing?

#2274 5 months ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Yes, I understand that....i'm just trying to explain why the mistrust, etc....

Sure does seem that JPoop has some pull there, or at least the owners ear.

#2280 5 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Well to me that’s a good thing, or else I wouldn’t be offered shit.

Not if he is leading them down the same path he went down. 5 games released at the same time, we will come set it up etc etc. Such hyperbole! I wish you guys luck though, you deserve your games.

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#2296 4 months ago
Quoted from HeavyMetalBalls:

Which is why it's a lot cheaper to sponser a pinball show compared to the cost of movie marketing.

At least with movies, they have something to print a poster for. Deeproot, from 5 games in 5 days, too crickets.

But deeproot hasn't taken anybody's money yet, so no harm, no foul.

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#2320 4 months ago
Quoted from unigroove:

Wait, are we talking about a The Office-themed pinball game?

No, the movie office space. You must check it out, great movie.

#2323 4 months ago
Quoted from deeprootmatt:

Okay, i'm buying Jpop a red swingline this weekend. This is too great

Office Space* its a movie not a TV show. Either one would make a great pinball theme though
On another note, website also seems to be back now. My guess is it was probably just a network issue.

Problem is, in the movie the dude with the red stapler burns everything to the ground. History repeating itself at DR, with the guy you gave the stapler too? Irony.

Btw, as a network engineer, its always the network, even if you are able to get to the website, and then get the error.

#2328 4 months ago
Quoted from deeprootmatt:

So i want to take a minute here to give my own personal account and experience working with Jpop. I figure a sort of third party opinion from someone who has been working closely with him over the last 1.5 years might be of interest. Again, this is my own personal opinion.
I will also preface this message with this: I get it. He screwed up. A lot of people here are upset. And i completely understand that. I will continue to stay out of that as much as i can and focus on what I can do: doing my part in bringing about success for deeproot.
John has been, and continues to be a great friend. He is always able to provide valuable insight into whatever aspect I am working on. The amazing conversations we have had are numerous, and his passion for pinball is absolutely contagious. I have now been brought into the pinball world i never knew existed.. and its amazing! I have learned more over the last 1.5 years than I could have ever imagined and John has had a big part in that. So I wanted to take this moment to share this with you guys, and take it as you will.
Also, I hate to leave out the other amazing people I get to work with as John is just one of MANY people at deeproot. All of us here are REALLY excited for what is to come, and it is coming!

Thats cool man! Are you a graduate of jpops school of pinball? https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-happened-to-jpops-pinball-school

I hope you learned some real lessons, both in what to do right in pinball, and what not to do. So far, Deeproot has not asked for a $ of preorder money, so they are still AOK in my book. Funny he wants to give the red stapler to the guy who burns it down, in the movie of course!

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#2390 4 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I hope they don't land on the street and get run over by a car.
Adressing the downvotes: Why do you wish any people physical harm? Shame on you!

Why would you wish deeproot to fail?

#2392 4 months ago
Quoted from Chalkey:

Them showing you, pinball media, things that they legitimately don't want to get out without an NDA. Then you not reporting anything. The mind reels.

Exactly. If you cant say anything, then who cares.

#2394 4 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

Maybe it’s a Reverse-Reverse Psychology Guerrilla marketing campaign?... Say you are going to do a big reveal at TPF... then pull out of TPF early, but then crash it with 5 servings of pinball machine goodness and promise that they are ready to start rolling out of the quad (?), just pick any one of 5 titles, and your machine should be delivered in 4 to 6 weeks from date of order. Now that might generate some sales. If they have just a booth with their Logo and a bunch of designers and marketing types hanging out saying “everthing is awesome!” handing out Deeproot keychains, then that is probably not going to cut it.

That would be badass, although you can't say guerilla anymore. Its racist apparently.

#2423 4 months ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

Well thats a new one on me... apparently people are confusing a warfare and marketing tactic with a species of primates whose name sounds somewhat similar. I don’t think you can make that mistake in print, but you can never be too sure. But then again, what word could we use instead??

An announcer at a televised tennis match said the player was playing with guerilla tactics or something when attacking the net. Of course it had to be a black player(who was not offended) and the announcer got fired. Stupidity abounds..

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#2506 3 months ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

Except Steve Bowden gave up his teaching career to move to texas and go work for DR. This is the part that worries me. People like to think "What's the harm in Andrew Heighway/JPOP/etc blowing money", but there's always collateral damage. AppleJuice not getting paid for coding work. The game designer for Heighway who was unpaid and basically made broke. There's always collateral damage when you look behind the big personalities. When DR fails, it will mess over a lot of people, like the investors in Robert's funds, which will then make it harder for pinball manufacturers in the future to raise capital.
I almost immediately thought this was a fraud because THEY ARE SPONSORING EVENTS. A company with zero cash flow and nothing but expenses is sponsoring Pinburgh and otherwise spending money on shit they shouldn't. Reminded me of Dutch Pinball throwing a boozy party with hired models. Pinball is a low margin item, hand manufactured in the USA where labor is notoriously expensive. IMHO If you want to be successful as a pinball manufacturer you need to count every penny to be profitable, especially in the early stages where you have to outlay large expenses (equipment, leases, employees, 1 year lead time on product development) without selling anything just yet. Sponsoring events to 'build brand awareness' is the kind of marketing bullshit people think you need, but let's face it: you can post on pinside you're making a game and pinside will shower you with attention until the games come out.
Oh, and then don't even get me started on taking on JPOP's liabilities and former customers. How that would ever be a profitable move is beyond me.

I agree with everythjng you said, except the part about collateral damage. Anytime you change jobs, you better do your research, especially if its a startup that has not actually produced anything.

#2507 3 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Here’s to hoping they follow through! It’s hard without anything to look at whatsoever. Even JPop had art by this time ..

Jpop had art because he ripped off the real artist. Zombie Yeti.

#2524 3 months ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Is it 5 days of nothing now?

Why do people comment before reading the entire thread? This was announced months ago

#2531 3 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

You are on Pinside. (:

Well I guess it was sarcastic, but I missed it. Either way, come on dr make some games and raise the bar, while lowering cost!

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#2560 75 days ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Well, looking forward to whatever they turn out even if it’s a pin called Finger Ass

I heard its FingHer ass. Think of it as a Playboy for the 21st century, with pornhub contributing assets. Just what I heard!

#2569 75 days ago

Seem like a cartidge system to me. No way they could get 4 full size playfields on a rotating arm, in any decent sized cab.

#2642 74 days ago

They still haven't taken pre order money. I hope they succeed!

#2710 69 days ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Would be nice if Deeproot dropped an clue tomorrow to make the JJP hype take a u-turn

Lol, would not matter.

#2732 66 days ago
Quoted from andre060:

Thanks for the reminder, that date is coming up fast! I couldn't find the full terms anymore, looks like they have been pulled down. What do claimants get if the games aren't delivered by then?

Keep waiting.

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#2835 58 days ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Deeproot will be number 1 in pinball soon enough.

Robert, is this a fake account! Or Special K

#3024 56 days ago
Quoted from cjmjmm2006:

Not at all. I'm saying that casual players tend to appreciate the game more than someone that reads code before they play a game.

Or watches a YouTube vid

#3025 56 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

"Not feasible" means that every play of thoughts has it's downsides that would have to be worked out and I don't claim to present you a fleshed out solution aka IAMRIGHT.
But I am.
I'm only think it further. I want it not only to work but to be cheap. So the question when developing something like I proposed is how much decrease in precision can you justify/ will be noticeable.
My proposed solution is for example not feasible if the cameras view is obstructed. So you have to evaluate if that is a major problem and how often there is something in between the top of the backbox and the glass. (Under the usual circumstances: Never)
So we could collectivly let our phantasy flow and work some of this out just for fun or just keep saying that everything is shit, impossible and everyone else is wrong.
And camera in the ball is a terrible idea for obvious reasons I pointed out immediately.
Oh and sadly I don't know of a single P3 in europe. Also I am not in pinball development but in automotive.

While I appreciate the back and forth, you are talking best case scenario. What happens when the ball "jumps" off a post due to old rings? What happens if there is a multiple happening and you have multiple jumps? Ball tracking will be lost. Then what? Play again?

#3117 54 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I’ve been trying to collect my thoughts about the Jpop hate in this thread. For me, I’m mostly over it and I have better reasons than most to be angry. I’m continuing along with my lawsuit against the man and I do seek justice. But at this point I’m weary of my posturing in the past and I’m especially tired of these useless, drive-by, Pinside out bursts of hate. Example the non-sequitur comment a few pages back about Deeproot needing to fire Jpop.
One of the reason I mention this is because I sense an evolution of improving attitudes here towards Jpop. It seems to me that more and more people are now speaking up in supporting John. And I get it, as I see reasons to support him and Deeproot too.
Anyway, I find the recent attitude change here interesting from where we began long ago, along with my own evolution.
Whether I collect my judgment against Jpop in time or not, I intend to purchase a RAZA or other Deeproot machine, pending inspection and production of course. - Do as you like but those are my thoughts.
Note: I still hate Whysnow. Hopefully I can maintain some street cred with that.

Who did Why Snow rip off? I guess I don't understand the hatred for him.

#3144 54 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Lol Kim!
Glad you got out of your Magic Girl with a profit. That is a small club of people.
I hope we ALL can move forward and benefit. At least DR is trying to make it right after all these years.
Only the lawyers win. Still true years later. Nobody is ever getting a dime out of Jpop. Still

So Kim is a lawyer too?

#3207 51 days ago
Quoted from KoolFingers:

You need a Buzz to keep reading this.

Is this a hint that Toy Story is coming! Buzz Lightyear!!!

1 week later
#3306 43 days ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I get what you are saying and agree to some extent, but if an investment firm hired Bernie Madoff, that would overshadow anything else and be a lot of what people want to talk about.

I dont care what company it is, save for Stern, if people buy pre-orders regardless of who is or isnt employed, they are fools.

#3325 42 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

I can’t believe I have to remind users here on Pinside, or listeners of podcasts, to assume anything posted (or disseminated) as fact by anyone other than me (personally) is guaranteed to be nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation. Letters went out to a few Zidware customers that said nothing more than (paraphrasing): get in the contract sent to you last year by May 31st or else your claim will be denied.
We plan to make a statement on or about June 1st regarding the Zidware claims. A statement will also be made as to the launch date of deeproot. A date we’ve spent a lot of time ensuring will be met this time.
Lastly, I agree with Kaneda that it is not fair that people are holding money back from making other purchases (pinball or otherwise) expecting us to imminently launch. We won’t be. I’ve said two things from the beginning. Pinball is easy; everything that goes into making pinball is not. We will launch when we are ready, and no sooner.
— Robert, dT

Now thats a splash of cold water. Imagine if you never hired that conman and thief!! Started with a dirty slate from day one. I really wish I would have been a fly on the wall when those convos took place.

Good luck though, I hope you succeed!

3 weeks later
#3450 21 days ago

At least they still haven't taken any preorders..

#3565 20 days ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

“come to our event, our event is so famous even the drunks crash our party”
That is Marketing 101.

That'll have the families rushing in!!

#3567 20 days ago
Quoted from chiefbrody:

seems obvious they have taken a page out of a recent surprisingly successful political campaign:
- make it all about 'me'. Only I can do this.
- the other guys are losers.
- I can do it. Believe it.
making pinball great again. Get the hat.

My buddies dad does have that hat! Its epic and signed by a few designers..

#3644 18 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

There is no magic silver bullet to make this shit happen. It's not a "mystery".
Show me some financials as a potential investor today?
RAZA has been promised for 5 yrs now.
Is it really that difficult to get one game out there? Spooky does it.
DR better sell a shitload of every "ten's of pinball games" they make.
How is it that everybody F ing hates Stern, JJP, Spooky etc. and DR is gonna roll in and save the day?
I don't know, show me the results, not the bullshit rhetoric.
"ROI" equals Return on Investment.
Is that "funny"?

This brings up a great point. "If RAZA" is some DR revolutionary pin, with only sharing the theme with one of Jpops hobbies, then ok. If RAZA is a standard pin, then they have spent millions to develop and its delayed again. Maybe they realized even regular pinball is hard?

2 weeks later
#3695 4 days ago
Quoted from skink91:

Are you under the impression that using correct grammar is only appropriate on certain types of websites? Is attacking someone’s incorrect grammar somehow more offensive to you than being called a, how did he put it... oh yes, “bitchy ole woman”?

The thing is, many people, such as myself, use voice to text. If someone can't comprehend the meaning/intent behind the post is not my problem, its THERE problem hah.

#3698 4 days ago
Quoted from CLEllison:

I can understand the hatred from those who JPOP screwed. But what I dont understand is why the "ill will" towards DR? Yeah yeah the bluster comments probably could've been left out, but being excited about your own product is cool too! If they release AIW damn straight I'm ordering one. Missing deadlines .... is it really that big of a deal? I also dont see them holding anyones money hostage (excluding the JPOP mess) so not trying to be an ass but seriously ask really why all the hate? And to the haters, will you actually refuse to purchase a game even if it's majorally out of this world awesome?

I think the main problem, is 3 fold. 1. Jpop ripped off a bunch of people. 2 AP hired Jpop, then realized early on it was a mistake. 3. DR hired Jpop and for whatever reason took on Zidware commitments, which end up delaying their own games and designs. Seems like poor use of funds and tonedeafness when it comes to a major problem . With that said, DR isn't looking for pre orders, so lets see some games!-

#3710 3 days ago
Quoted from branlon8:

Grammar and spelling mistakes are an indication that people can‘t be bothered to proofread their posts.

Or voice to text and figure people should be able to comprehend what is being conveyed.

#3761 1 day ago
Quoted from FlippinJB:

I agree with everything you said there, Tranquilize, except the bit above. "Bob liked pinball but he played it like a fool." That's a compound sentence with a coordinating conjunction (two independent clauses with finite verbs) but doesn't really need a comma. IMHO anyway - it could be a UK/US difference thing. Potato/potato/etc.
deeproot - how about releasing some tasty information pronto, otherwise this thread will degrade further into grammar?!?!

To me, a comma should be in your example.

#3765 1 day ago
Quoted from pin2d:

Hello all! So their has been some discussion on the deeproot article after the tour, and your of course open to you’re opinion on it! There up to quite a bit they’re to, definitely peeked my interest. Planning on an article to be released on TWIP in the next couple weaks!

Sooo, we have devolved into article releases from DR, since pin releases are not on the horizon! Lmao!

#3798 9 hours ago
Quoted from Monk:

I wish this thread would die until new DR Pinball news is released.

Drain it, thread is dead to you! So easy, even a caveman could do it!

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