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3 weeks later
Quoted from toyotaboy:If that is in fact true, I'd be really curious what a 2 foot x 3 foot sheet of OLED costs
Really, really expensive. Recently worked on a project with a major electronics manufacturer which has some of these in the works (both from a strictly lighting standpoint as well as video) and they had to be purchased, by us, at cost, for use on the project. I don't really want to share nuts and bolts details publicly, but suffice to say we're a loooong way from OLED playfields being a viable production option.
Quoted from EricHadley:You can buy a 55” OLED TV for like 800 bucks
Sorry, not the same thing.
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Remember Heighway went out of business at around 2.5m debt..
$750k/month spend is likely a made up figure to puff themselves up/make themselves look bigger.
Even with some inflated numbers I sure wouldn't be spouting off that information in public, nor would I boast about how many people I've allegedly got on staff.
It's definitely an insurmountable figure if true, and likely an insurmountable figure if untrue.
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4 months later
Quoted from Rondogg:So tone deaf. You really need to be working with a PR firm. Seriously, the things that come out of your head should not be sent directly to an open forum without some kind of 3rd party filter. You may think it's funny or maybe you're trolling but it really doesn't come off well when the head of a company (who wants our money) posts things like this. Could you imagine the negative repercussions if Amazon hired Bernie Madoff as CFO and then referred to him as "Berniebaby" while addressing the public?
You really need to reign it in. I was growing ambivalent about the JPop situation in light of what you were offering to his victims. Not any more.
I think this is a good starting point for just how much hubris exists with DR. I've watched this thing unfold since the beginning and I think it's quite clear they (read: Robert) really do think that the pinball community isn't their market. It's everyone else. So, following that line of thinking, it doesn't matter in their mind that they continually speak down to - competitors, loyal pinball customers, and the community as a whole - because it doesn't matter if they piss off those constituencies as it's not the market.
I'll just be sitting here, eating my popcorn, playing my shitty terrible collection of games that spans 40 years, and eagerly awaiting for DR to blow open the pinball market to EVERYONE except those of us who've been involved for a long time.
2 months later
Quoted from o-din:i guess even some moderators have a hard time sifting through 90 pages of nothing.
Nice to see you back!
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10 months later
Quoted from iceman44:Wondering if any of that $$ went to fund pinball?
I'm actually pretty surprised to be reading this so far into the thread. I thought it was generally accepted that DR is some kinda scam and they've been skimming off the dubious investment funds to fund the pinball side? Maybe it's just been me that's been thinking that...for the last year.
For the life of me, I can't figure out where their funding is coming from.
1 month later
Obscuring what's actually going on with the "platform" is the wrong move here. Actually, avoiding transparency is always the wrong move. They've had several opportunities now to learn from that mistake, and open themselves up. They are making the wrong decision here, yet again.
Quoted from iceman44:When there is actually NOTHING to disclose or reveal I fail to see the merits of an NDA?
Well, it stops people from disclosing that it's a steaming pile. We know RM is a litigious individual, so I expect there's some strongly worded language in there to keep people silent.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:People need to see the jagged lock down bar of pain!
I dunno, maybe I wasn't supposed to see them?! God it's awful. Mueller getting near top billing on the BG reallllly takes the cake!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Nice! Everybody should post their unique and innovative deep root concept. Here’s mine.
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Excellent!
2 months later
Quoted from pin2d:- deeproot does not plan to take any pre-order money or deposits for their machines
LMAO. That was THREE years ago. Post #10.
If you're buying one these...yeah um...you've dug your own grave.
Quoted from Joe_Blasi:$600 /year game for updates is an joke unless the code ships 100% done.
I mean...if you remove a lot of the modes/core gameplay and stick it under the DLC banner...maybe that'll happen?
Who are we kidding though? These won't be shipping.
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:Nice to hear Oursler is working on Goonies.
Did they mention the title by name? Or only refer to it as "80's movie license"?
Quoted from Capn12:Mueller called it by name, multiple times. It is Goonies. Cut to around 1:01.00 into the interview.
Cool, thanks - appreciate the timestamp and confirmation!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:If Deep Root actually have The WHo and Goonies licenses
The collective memory of the "collector" must be pretty short.
Strong, strong Skit-B vibes from all this nonsense.
Quoted from Makakka:So setting up and run production is not a big deal itself especially for RAZA
You, sir, are smoking crack. I just quoted this absurd section, but that whole post is devoid of lots of context. For instance, chalking up the Skit-B fiasco as "licensing issues".
Quoted from Mercifull:maybe they have come up with a novel way of actually putting together these machines.
Since this thread is all speculation, let's carry out this thought exercise a bit further. What could be novel about building something? Based on what they've said, I'm expecting a lot of connectors, and a lots of wiring. "you there! plug that into this". Novel! But seriously - I am curious what you (or anyone) could offer that might be novel about manufacturing a pinball machine. Sky's the limit! Reach for the stars!
Maybe they've also invented time travel. Maybe they've also enlisted the help of ACTUAL aliens in manufacturing. This idea that a pinball venture, backed by shady investment businesses, is truly innovating in the field of electronics assembly is laughable.
Anyone check on those licenses yet?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Let’s all get a room. A good ole fashioned deep root orgy would sort all this out!
Next from DR: Octo-Vibes!
Quoted from pinballwil:Do you pinside cry babies have nothing else to do??? Than bitching Deeproot for what?
Go shame yourself, you don't deserve to be in this hobby. Go somewhere else jerking around.
You too take the advice.
Quoted from iceman44:#1. They have the $$
They do?
Quoted from frolic:I predict we'll be hearing about Chinese New Year being a reason for further delays.
I mean, yes. As someone who deals with Chinese manufacturing/production day-to-day, it's a real risk.
That said, anyone dealing with Chinese production knows this is a critical time. Should have been on this months ago and forecasting for it - both internally and on the supplier side.
So yeah - if excuses are made under these conditions - people should be realistic where blame should be placed: squarely on DR, and not pushed out to nameless, faceless suppliers.
Quoted from Yelobird:They did post dates and they have been re-posted in this thread several times.
Are you talking about their phased timeline? Which shows no solid, real dates, but instead speaks in terms of weeks from a start of...when?
It also specifically states that the first three phases will happen once UL certification happens. Anyone check on UL certifications for Deeproot? Or was that just me?
2 weeks later
Quoted from Mark1971:has anyone heard about any delivery dates yet?
No, because there aren't any hard delivery dates.
Shipping estimates were based on their UL certifications being complete, which has not happened yet. So you know...they'll ship sometime! We promise!
Quoted from DS_Nadine:I guess most did. It‘s on their website, but kinda vague. Also since this is a process the Games don‘t immediately materialize all at once. (Just writing that since it seems to be the understanding of some (one) vocal (podcasting) people.)
Let‘s say if they don’t start (!) shipping games by the end of march they‘d have broken their own set deadlines... again.
Yeah? On their website? Can you point me to that? Following the menu - "Shop -> Games" leads to a server error. Can't find it anywhere else. If it's there I'd like to know where it's buried.
Quoted from Yelobird:They are not waiting on UL certificates this has been discussed already. Facts
Really? Can you point me to that?
Quoted from wamonkey:I think it was in multiple places and a podcast or two discussed it they are not shipping to Europe until CE (same as US UL approval) is complete. I think it was in their FAQ on shipping on their site.
I think you must mean this:
Quoted from Mr68:See screenshot.
If it happens I would hope that the Goodwill agreement people would be first to receive their games. I've never met Fulltilt and I would enjoy seeing a picture of him unboxing his game. Many of the others too and I will quietly celebrate all of them should Deeproot prove me wrong.
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Which again - is nowhere on the Deeproot site now. And further highlights my point - that their phased delivery timeline is TIED to their UL certifications.
Quoted from Yelobird:They are not waiting on UL certificates this has been discussed already. Facts
So, respectfully, how are they not waiting on UL certs? And where was this "discussed"?
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Quoted from DS_Nadine:We‘ll never know and it doesn‘t matter.
For once in this thread, I think you're right!
Quoted from toyotaboy:In Mid to late March you'll hear more excuses and things not going as well as planned GUARANTEED
my guess is late February. CNY starts next Friday and lasts through about 20 Feb, and as of this week downstream supplier order windows were dwindling.
1 week later
Quoted from TreyBo69:If it’s a scam, it’s an awfully stupid one.
Well, I think there's maybe a bad assumption in that statement. Flip it around - what if the pinball community wasn't really the target of the scam? Just a willing, able, ripe market to waste money in?
3 weeks later
Quoted from iceman44:but the reality is that people are working on games
Quite a statement.
Quoted from transprtr4u:Did you buy one ?
Point is nobody should care , unless they are owed a game,or they they preordered.
If you care to read why people care, there's 328 pages of posts behind this one. Perhaps you can write up a report, and present it to us.
1 week later
Quoted from iceman44:Have to “ignore” the ignorant which is most of what i see now.
Maybe if we all try REALLY REALLY hard, Ice will ignore everyone...leaving him with a thread where he just speaks to himself.
That's funny, right?
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1 month later
God this would be such a sad story if it wasn't so damn entertaining. Watching Captain Hubris fail. Thanks Pinside, for sinking the ship! They couldn't have done it without all of us.
What do you think - 6 months left? 4 months? Drag this out past July 4th?
Quoted from benheck:labor shortage is a very real thing
Yeah, and so are shitty wages.
3 months later
Quoted from iceman44:Congratulations for you.
It was NOT a complete and utter scam from the beginning.
The Raza Jpop story was OVER years ago until DR stepped in and made it a possibility again.
It didn’t work out. Pinball is just part of a MUCH bigger story here.
As bad as it looks for Robert he didn’t set out looking to steal $58 million. At least I don’t believe that
Stupid and horrendous management? No doubt
Why is it always you, sitting on the sidelines of all these failed ventures? Pumping them up to the pinside masses?
Even now - when it’s so clear that many were right from the jump - you have the gall to say it wasn’t a scam?
Hope I see you at a show sometime.
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