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#163 3 years ago

Prepare to be deep- rooted!

#167 3 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Quality of a Ferrari at a Kia price. Can't wait to see it.

To be fair, the Kia requires much less maintenance than the Ferrari.

So what you end up with is a cheap, high maintenance machine is what I think they are getting at.

#196 3 years ago

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#218 3 years ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

Can't imagine uprooting my life to head to Texas for these promises

On the plus or minus side, you could end up deep rooted there.

#236 3 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

Answering my own question, 2.4 million from 19 people. To get people to cough up $2.4 million, you're going to lay on the hype.

And they are probably all betting that they will get the first RAZAs off the line.

#237 3 years ago
Quoted from kermit24:

This company reminds me of a hybrid between Dutch and Highway Pinball


#253 3 years ago
Quoted from Makakka:

I applaude every published business decision deeproot made because deeproot not only showed their business experience but also their brilliant analysis of the market.

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#256 3 years ago
Quoted from Makakka:

genius pinball gaze noone

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#261 3 years ago
Quoted from deeproot:

you can thank me for Elvira 3.

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#285 3 years ago
Quoted from scampcamp:

I really believe The Bible has to be 1 of the best pinball themed ideas ever !

Shame they won't ever be able to pimp it on this website as they have already stated in the interview it is a religious theme.

Maybe they can try to sell it on vatican.com instead.

#328 3 years ago
Quoted from Ericc123:

In my defense I blame the auto correct on my phone.

Are you refering to the auto incorect feture?

#331 3 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Can you guess which one is missing? Hint - it is not one of those mentioned.


#333 3 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

That was black ink on white background for artwork. Foamcore that was ready to be made into a whitewood.

It was actually made into one machine, if I remember correctly.

#360 3 years ago

I don't see why somebody couldn't make a Larry Houdini as long as they got the OK from Disney first.

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#372 3 years ago
Quoted from brucipher:

They specifically said they are happy to add John's Houdini design to its portfolio of games. That doesn't mean they were planning to make Houdini.

Does this mean we may finally be getting that Marshall Brodien pinball machine?

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#390 3 years ago

I must have a magician pinball machine!

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#405 3 years ago
Quoted from Rockytop:

This is going to be interesting to watch.

In my opinion, for this to even have a chance to succeed they would have to:

- Make everyone whole. Pay people back that are owed money/games from the Zidware deal

- Fix the MG games that did go out

- Make an absolutely incredible pin that was so good people might overlook all the baggage.

Even then, it might not go well.

Perhaps they should partner with Dutch and Heighway, and if they pool all their resources they could make everybody whole.

#409 3 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

Starting a new company by inheriting a bunch of debt from something you had nothing to do with, along with the con artist who ran with all the money, what could go wrong?

Did you ever hear about Jonestown? That sounds like the kind of Kool Aid somebody will be drinking.

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#467 3 years ago

I'm just happy this super strong pinball economy will be able to support all these new machines they are talking about making, along with all the other manufacturers out there.

#474 3 years ago
Quoted from daudioguy:

Throwing away lifetimes of experience is unwise.

No doubt!

I mean where would we be if bands like Kiss and Aerosmith were no longer contributing to the wonderful world of rock music.

#478 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Have you seen the picture of Steven Tyler shirtless on beach?

I had to do a double take on that one. At first I thought it was Liv Tyler.

#525 3 years ago

Sledgehammer pinball? Bring it on!

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#531 3 years ago
Quoted from CNKay:

The only product I fully believe in currently is the hardtop product with image art under protective surface and adhesive back holding it all in place.


Just like full playfield mylar where it is the glue underneath that you can't polish to a shine after it starts to dull with age.

#542 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Realistically they are going to have to knock out a few competitors with whatever advantages they think they have somehow.

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#545 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Consider me impressed with all the effort and money blown so far.

I'm just amazed that they probably think there are more than 100 people that will buy their pinball product.

#547 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I will say JJP nearly went down the tubes because they overestimated revenues and underestimated costs over several years.

To be fair to JJP, they only announced and concentrated on one title until they got things rolling.

Anytime I see a company that is talking about multiple titles and big future before one prototype is even playable, I'm a little skeptical.

#550 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

No reason to be skeptical, wasn't it posted they won't be doing prototypes ?
LTG : )

Good point LTG. Why do any prototypes, when you can work on four different titles at once.

#552 3 years ago

I'll admit, I'm really excited.

I'd like to get a little more insight into the time frame before all the projects they are talking about hit the market.

#554 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Did RD just run through your screen door again?

No, but a little birdy told me instead of Houdini there is a good chance we might finally get that Egyptian Magician pinball machine before the end of the decade.

#556 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

So you are saying by 2020?

Jerky Boys were big in the 90s, so that sounds about right.

#559 3 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

He owes me “crumbs”

Then ye shall get crumby games!

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#581 3 years ago

I think it's great that they will be able to make all of zidware's customers whole before taking a dime from any other customer if I read it right.

That's forward thinking!

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#915 2 years ago

" All my ex's live in Texas"

#931 2 years ago

I aint seen nothing yet.

All I see is talk about Ferraris at Yugo prices, and a mention of a $50,000 game that I would never want in the first place.

#939 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Hard to believe the patents are worth anything

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#941 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Pinball manufacturers better not plan on selling more than 1k to 2k machines of any given game in this market. By March 2019 at TPF, there may be up to 5 titles available from DR. Stern will offer 3 - Maiden, a new title and with one more announced. AP will have 1 with their second release. Spooky will have 1 with ACNC. JJP have 1 with POTC. Finally CC will have 2 - AFMr and MBr. 13 new games vying for buyers. What if every one of them is off the charts perfect?

Or what if the stock market and economy tanks and we go into another deep recession?

This whole dream is living on borrowed time IMO.

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#1055 2 years ago

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

#1059 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

It wouldn’t help DR necessarily. I guarantee you investors don’t want a tax write off Odiner
They want to pay a shitload of tax. Means they made a shitload of profit

Sure, but when a company throws a shitload of good money after bad and then the vision fails and they decide to cut their losses, at least it becomes beneficial at tax time.

#1063 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

If you chose not to settle then you expect to get your $$ back out of Jpop, not DR after the fact

I expect to see pictures of new pinball machines for sale from new companies on pinball forums. Not this same old song and dance.

#1066 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The shareholders/investors get the benefit of the loss and only at $3k per yr plus offsetting other gains

Better than that final poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

#1071 2 years ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.


"The end result defines us: solid alternative investment funds that are designed to keep pace with or outperform traditional investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1087 2 years ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Unpredictable risk sounds attractive... but in pinball?

"investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1091 2 years ago
Quoted from Brijam:

What I meant to imply: pinball is the poster child of unnecessary, unpredictable risk.

What I meant to imply: tax write off.

#1115 2 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

The one who can't be named cause it gets you permabanned.

Not everyone apparently. It wasn't that long ago a thread appeared on the main page with that knuckelhead buddying up to and putting his arms around of all people, Robin. Started by a moderator here I believe.

Buried or deleted in the depths of the basement now somewhere....

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#1135 2 years ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Copperfield is expensive!

Maybe they'll go with Brodien instead.

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#1186 2 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

they aren't asking for up front money.

Perhaps. But as stated on their website, they may be getting their money from investors just the same.

"solid alternative investment funds that are designed to keep pace with or outperform traditional investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1188 2 years ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

And??.. they are called “investors” for a reason. That’s n.o.t. customers.

Yes, I equate somebody investing money in a company the same as providing up front money which obviously they didn't get without asking for it in some way. Unless they are not using investors money and are using their own from another source instead.

But feel free to tell my if I am wrong. Trust me, it won't hurt my feelings one bit.

#1190 2 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

They aren't in here begging for huge deposits on future games if you want one.

Yeah, I get that as what you meant.

I just had to be Johnny obvious and point out somebody else's investment money is probably at stake here unless Deeproot is strictly using their own. There are a few articles about them as an investment firm but looks like they have only been around for about five years.

#1196 2 years ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I suppose I was going from the position of being a 'customer' for Zidware, not investing in Jpop's company. I didn't anticipate returns, revenue, profit sharing, etc. My contract with John cited me as a "purchaser". I anticipated the product I purchased.

I'm thinking of investing in deeproot, so I can really cash in.

#1202 2 years ago
Quoted from PinBackpacker:

It's not going to cost anyone anything to find out.


#1204 2 years ago

According to this article from Aug. 2016-


"In 2014, the company tried to sell two different funds, all debt offerings with various minimum investments to no avail. In 2015, the company issued deeproot Pinball LLC, which offered $6 million of equity with a minimum investment of $25,000 but hasn't reported raising any money for that either. That same year, the company attempted to sell another equity offering called deeproot 575 fund LLC but didn't attract any investors."

But apparently they had attracted some investors and raised a few million dollars betting on life insurance.

Not really finding anymore recent information, but it sounds like they must have really turned the corner since then.

#1217 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

as stupid as it was to preorder WOZ from a new company on their first pinball, some took it further and paid in full to to get free shipping. In spite of the roller coaster ride, all received their games. So $6.5k delivered for nib WOZ and no sales tax. Boom! a when-pigs-fly success story with a jackpot at the end of the rainbow.

It might have been even stupider to put that money in Apple stock at the time, eh?

#1224 2 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

What IF they start bringing games to market that are feature rich and cost at or less than a Stern Pro?

I''m sorta looking forward to seeing that $50,000 pinball machine that was previously mentioned.

#1231 2 years ago
Quoted from Brijam:

The history of pinball and video games is full of out of the box thinking - some of it flops, and some of it opens up new markets.

Take Capcom for example. They just charged into pinball production while it was booming in the mid 90s. And the rest as they say, is history.

#1242 2 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

More like Capcom charged in when pinball production was on the roller coaster to hell. By the mid 90s pinball was in serious decline. Sales dropping, production dropping, factories closing or would soon.

LTG : )

Let me rephrase that then- "Capcom charged into pinball production a few years after the peak of the 90s pinball boom that only lasted a couple of years"

#1244 2 years ago

I guess the point is if you are starting another company during a pinball boom it is probably best to get the games out there before that boom starts petering out or you end up in a situation like Capcom. Lots of great ideas and promise, but just a little late to the game.

#1260 2 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Great point about TNA not needing a display

You don't need a display when you've got a tank on the backglass.

#1295 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

Also why put an LCD on a game when everyone is carrying a smart phone in their pocket?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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#1375 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

could deeproot be a cult?

I hear about all these pinball people going there. Designers, engineers etc all go, but then are not seen from again. Add that we've seen no products. What is really going in there?? Not even day 1 of deeproot. Is Robert washing their brains and reprogramming it's followers?

Their website is chock full of information for inquiring minds that would like to know.


#1380 2 years ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Am I sensing a positive opinion shift for Deeproot on Pinside??

Yes, as they do have a functional website, and that is one of the most important things pinsiders need to give them confidence in any company.

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#1385 2 years ago

I think after the three year drought since Whoa Nellie, and the many years before, that is what most of us are hoping for.

#1387 2 years ago

My memory certainly isn't what it used to be.

But we want more!

#1392 2 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

How many times is Odin going to complain about G rated pins this week?

I bet your mommy won't even let you go see a PG movie.

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#1427 2 years ago

Edit- beat me to it! ^^^^

Quoted from YKpinballer:

If somebody could dig a little deeper and get a real idea of Mr. Mueller’s background and track record I would be happy to have my fears allayed.

What are you fearing? Are you one of the investors in their pinball division, and were you not told the money you invested would be used for pinball development?

#1429 2 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

What do you have against more information?

Nothing. But I don't pry into other people's business, if they don't want to tell me more. If I was considering being an investor, I would take what info was out there and try to make an educated decision from that.

Quoted from o-din:


"The end result defines us: solid alternative investment funds that are designed to keep pace with or outperform traditional investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1431 2 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

See this doesn’t seem to jive with what they are doing in pinball IMHO

Yes, apparently their pinball investors are feeling more confident now than when it was first offered, like some of the other funds they presented with no takers.

More along the lines of the the insurance funds they have sold in the last couple years, which apparently are doing pretty well. There are articles written about all of this.


#1433 2 years ago
Quoted from mcbPalisade:

Looks like you have to subscribe to read this, what does it say?

No subscription necessary. You just need to click stop loading the page before it goes into subscription mode and deletes most of the text, and it is all there, along with several other articles available from the same publication.

#1434 2 years ago

This one mentions the pinball and some of the earlier investment opportunities they offered up. Just click stop before the page fully loads.


#1437 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The money is coming through investment advisers selling this project to accredited investors. Obviously as a high risk alternative asset class

The advisers got paid over $400k for raising that $ or what looks to be an 8% commission

Either way, they are funded quite well and like I said the facility/offices are substantial and ready to pump out a large quantity of pins!

We could have another major competitor here

Those that invested with them in insurance funds and not pinball funds are going to feel pretty shortchanged when all this starts to take off and the big profits start rolling in.

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#1517 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

"Oh I toured Stern once. They were still using wires. It was cute"

"More wires than a Ford Taurus"

#1519 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

A big roadblock in the advancement of pinball are the customers.

No doubt!

You've got a bunch of people that think Back to the Future and Goonies are still a thing.

#1523 2 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

they object to being forced to spend $350 for a new board instead of 30 cents for the failed component.

Some of you just don't want to support the growth of this hobby, now do you?

#1533 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

Can be placed by robot

All we need now are the robots that can fix this shit.

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#1538 2 years ago
Quoted from Jjsmooth:

Haha.. and Munsters.
Holy crap.

Next up- Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best pinball game.

#1552 2 years ago

So many 80s blockbusters, it's hard to pick just one.

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#1569 2 years ago
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#1573 2 years ago
Quoted from Tucks:

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The 80s gems just keep coming.....

#1577 2 years ago

A little steel to go along with all that 80s metal.

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#1593 2 years ago

Two pinball sequels in one!

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#1598 2 years ago

I guess the 80s wasn't a total wasteland.

Looking through this thread though, that is getting harder and harder to prove.

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#1604 2 years ago

Perhaps it's the music themed pinball game everybody and their brother has been waiting for.

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#1605 2 years ago

Warriors was 1979, not 80s.

I remember the release and there were near riots in some of the theaters. Today it looks more like comedy, but back then, they took it seriously

#1607 2 years ago

Who needs a Fast and Furious pin when you can have...

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#1618 2 years ago

Kinda surprised all you 80s film buffs missed this one.

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#1621 2 years ago
Quoted from fishbone:

Could we stop the movie nostalgia marathon and return to talking about Deeproot?
Pretty please?
Thank you.

Sure! Here's the latest news-

They had recently had a party in the break room, celebrating landing a major license. (TEASER: The license is an 80s movie many people have been craving!)

You're welcome.

#1636 2 years ago

Haven't had a good skating themed game in a while.

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#1731 2 years ago

I'm must say I'm impressed with the presentation! I want one of each.

Where do I send my money?

#1759 2 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Well, Mueller claims they're going to release more machines in 2019 than any manufacturer has in a year, in the history of the industry. He didn't say Stern era, or even solid state or DMD era.

That's a pretty tall order considering Gottlieb released 14 titles in 1935 alone.

#1761 2 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

The market WILL crash if there's a serious economic shock ... and one looks due in the next 2 years.

Look no further than November 2020.

#1763 2 years ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

It's hyperbole. But I think we can assume he's probably aiming at more than 5.

it also means you won't be able to believe anything he says if they don't do 15.

Heck, I didn't even check all makers and years. 1935 was a random guess.

#1772 2 years ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

unfair comparison. that was after the market crash and thise 14 titles would be played on route for pennies (not collected in the home) as an escape from misery.. most of those games were very simple and none of them had electricity yet so it would be easy to push out a bunch of titles quickly.

!940 then. The depression was over and games all ran with electricity. Still 14 titles and he did say "in the history of the industry".

I guess there is the offhand chance he doesn't know much about the history of the industry. In that case it may be better to say nothing of the kind, than making it up as he goes.

#1775 2 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

why'd noone do this?

Same reason as usual. Because he can.

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#1780 2 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

1955-11 Frontiersman Gottlieb EM 1,000

Oooo, that's a good one! One of my favorites. Play it all the time.

They'll never make a game like that again, and I'm guessing we'll never see a similar backglass like it again.

#1784 2 years ago
Quoted from jimjim66:

That's Peter Noone from Herman Hermits, a big band from the 60's.

After Beatles comes out, expect noone to get a new rock themed pinball game.

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#1852 2 years ago

All I'm hoping is that somebody steps up and makes a game about a horny monkey.

If that turns out to be deeproot, then more power to them.

#1857 2 years ago
Quoted from Robotoes:

Why don’t they have a Facebook?

Better things to do with their time?

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#1919 2 years ago
Quoted from pin2d:

deeproot Pinball's launch has been postponed - find the details here:

Well, hopefully it happens while the overall economy is still on fire.

#1923 2 years ago

$750k a month for a year alone is almost 10 million. That's a lot of investor capital right there.

#1932 2 years ago

This is the most impressive statement in the whole interview-

"using additional time making sure launch titles are code and AV complete"

#1937 2 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

But, I don't have any money down on the venture, so they can do whatever they want.

Like you, I'd probably rather eat kryptonite than be one of the investors in this venture.

#1973 2 years ago
Quoted from Jerryuop:

None of us have given them any money yet

Well, somebody must have. After all they are an investment company.

And those investors must really love pinball and/or think it is/was an excellent way to get big returns.

#1999 2 years ago
Quoted from adol75:

They haven't taken clients money

It must have come out of thin air then.

I've also heard with the right fertilizer, it will also grow on trees.

#2001 2 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Is that what you're working on with the avocado grove now?

If squirrels could eat money, there wouldn't be much of that left either.

#2003 2 years ago
Quoted from adol75:

Do I really need to explain the difference between a client and an investor ?

I looked up client-

"a person or organization using the services of a lawyer or other professional person or company."

#2006 2 years ago
Quoted from johnnyutah:

I’m still excited to see what Deeproot has to offer in the future.

Why wait?

They have several other investment opportunities beside pinball already available.

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#4245 1 year ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

To invoke a Cargument

I know that some dudes like to put a Chevy engine in a Ford. But rarely want to put the Ford engine back.

#4248 1 year ago
Quoted from Jjsmooth:

But no one puts that shit in a mopar

True, but doesn't mopar already have an engine swap kit for their '34 Highboy?

#4276 1 year ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

is Deeproot still committed to shipping more pins in 2019 than any other company?

Anybody that believes that should probably be committed.

#4278 1 year ago

About the time the economy goes in the tank again lol

#4281 1 year ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

O-din - nice to see you back on pinside.

Thanks! Holding your tongue for 7 months isn't exactly the easiest thing to do, especially around here.

#4288 1 year ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

So Deeproot retracted that statement?

I honestly haven't paid much attention except being 2019 is more than half over, it would be quite a miracle.

Quoted from Fulltilt:

What's that got to do with buying pins?

Look at how many companies there were and how many new pins were sold in 2008. This new pinball buying frenzy of the last 5 or so years seems to be going hand in hand with the strong, growing economy. I can't imagine another big recession will be good for new pinball manufacturing especially with the amount of games that have flooded the market in recent years.

#4299 1 year ago
Quoted from LTG:

the comment "outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today".

I read that. And then I also read they are proud to be doing a licensed theme from the 80s. And Raza will take you back to the 80s.

#4321 1 year ago
Quoted from teekee:

Well if he refunds all those who asked for refunds then his public relations would go up tenfold. Actions speak louder than words... sounds like someone above got their refund so they just might be the real deal after all!

I'm sure their investor team is pleased as well.

#4325 1 year ago
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#4385 1 year ago

I gotta say compared to Tesla, Deeproot is looking like quite the investment opportunity right now. Must be getting time to liquidate all that gold.

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#4400 1 year ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

When is the 1st of 5 days of deeproot now?

On the first day, Deeproot created hype and it was good.

On the second day, they announced they were bringing several old designers out of retirement and it was sorta good.

On the third day, they announced they would be bringing more games to market than the rest of the industry and it was real good.

On the fourth day, they announced they would not be outdated like the rest of the industry, and it was not so good.

On the fifth day, they started sending out piles of money and again it was good.

Stay tuned for the next five days...

#4402 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Actually I like all 5 and you even forgot the Ferrari for a Fiat pricetag and the Sledgrhammer!

I only had five days to work with....

#4406 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

and the Sledgrhammer!

On the sixth day, deeproot announced they had secured a most desired license from the 1980s and it was super good.

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#4411 1 year ago
Quoted from littlecammi:

But Pinsiders bitched because the pin was based too much on Season 2 and they thought Season 1 was better.

Hopefully it will have a wizard mode with the never shown until later show finale.

#4417 1 year ago
Quoted from Calfdemon:

Too bad this is only a joke as this would actually be a grail theme for me if it was really made! My buddies and I used to watch Sledgehammer religiously. The laugh track drove me crazy, but the show itself was great!

I'm hoping it's not a joke. It would be my first pinball purchase.

#4420 1 year ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

I loved that show as a kid, but there is no way it would ever be made. Too obscure.

Well, if it ends up being Full House or Family Ties, I aint buying it.

Quoted from tbutler6:

Lots of people already unloading games cheap for Stern Jurassic Park...

Pretty standard. Next they will be unloading that one for Elvira, then Elvira for Reo Speedwagon, and so on and so on....

Lotta short attention span in this hobby.

#4426 1 year ago
Quoted from badbilly27:

So pissed by what happened I stopped opening threads on the topic to keep my blood pressure stabilized. Crap.

It's like a soap opera, man.

But, real sorry you missed out while it was raining all those Benjamins.

#4428 1 year ago

Yeah, I was pretty sure Sledge Hammer! would have been done long before that due date.

As far as payouts, as long as the money was coming from other investors and not pinsiders, I had total faith.

#4430 1 year ago

Why has everything always gotta be about trolling around here when you disagree or don't believe someone.

#4434 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I just can't believe that someone after all this months didn't hear the ongoing "deadline for claims is by".

Even I haven't been glued to this thread as much as you have.

#4453 1 year ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Today I learned: there is a moderator on Pinside who is unaware that deeproot was offering refunds. Isn't this general knowledge at this point?

i guess even some moderators have a hard time sifting through 90 pages of nothing.

#4454 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

That show had a laugh track?!

Quoted from Calfdemon:

Oh yeah, I have all of the original episodes which was unfortunately only 2 seasons before they got cancelled.. But the original English version has the obnoxious laugh track. I wish they would have dumped it when the re-released the episodes for DVD.

Anchor Bay copies of SH has Alan Spencer on camera specifically stating that they removed the laugh track so fans can laugh when they want to as opposed to where they “should.”

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#4456 1 year ago

Seriously, with all the retro going on in pinball right now, can anybody think of a real good reason why Sledge Hammer! would not be a great pinball theme?

It's got fans now that weren't even alive when the show first aired. I was one of the ones that watched every episode when it did.

#4460 1 year ago
Quoted from Calfdemon:

O-din, thanks for posting that.

You can thank Nimblepin who is still on hiatus. I just watched the show. Turns out he is one of the FANatics. But for me, in the wasteland that was 80s TV, it was the best.

#4466 1 year ago

A little research shows it aired Thursday night on ABC at 8:OO PM. It looks like it might have originally went up against Cosby on NBC and Simon and Simon on CBS. I didn't really care for either one of those, so Sledge was on at the perfect time. My roommate and I were 24 and 25, and it was the perfect humor for the likes of us.

Later CBS put the new Twilight Zone in the same time spot and I've been wondering why I never watched it. Now I know, but I've been taking it all in on MeTV now. Some pretty good episodes of that one.

#4467 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

I missed Sledge Hammer! in the 80s (didn't have a TV), but all of this talk inspired me to take the plunge. Season One on eBay ran me $4.99 shipped, seemed like a tolerable risk. I saw a few reviews comparing it to Brisco County Jr., hope it lives up to the hype.

I'm looking forward to your review! I gotta borrow nimblepin's and watch it all again too. I've taken in a bit on youtube, but that isn't the same.

#4470 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:First season is decent due to heavy hitters involved, then it falls off huge. Even Season 3 when J. Michael Straczynski writes a bunch they are still mediocre.

I watched one last night where the space cargo ship had to jettison a teenage girl stowaway. The one where the Vietnam vet took the war to a diner was the bomb.

#4472 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Dammit I missed that one, William Friedkin directed! Did you just watch that? I didn;t think METV had swung back around to season 1 yet...I've been waiting.

I think it started with season one a month or so ago when I saw it. Yeah they are in the later seasons now.

Quoted from TechnicalSteam:

Not sure what We are even talking about at this Point.

Deeproot's the one that first mentioned Sledgehammer, not me.

#4475 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Liked Sledgehammer but of all 80's ish Shows I'd pick Knight Rider.

I was a little too old to take that show seriously at the time. I can see how it amused the kids though. It was kind of like Hardcastle and Fuckstick, or whatever it was called.

#4477 1 year ago

I was all about MacGyver though.

On the west coast it came on right after Monday Night Football, and in many cases it was better than the game we had just watched.

I even thought about taking a "Bring On MacGyver!" sign to a Monday night Rams game to hang over the railing near the end of the game.

#4478 1 year ago

One of Terry Bradshaw's first TV roles after football beside those Zerex antifreeze ads he did was on Hardcastle and McCormick. He got shot and killed in like the first 5 minutes. lol.

#4482 1 year ago
Quoted from WolfManCat:

At the young age of 5 I spent Thursday night trying to convince my older sisters to turn on Sledge Hammer!

They probably wanted to watch Cosby. Total chick show of it's time. No cool dudes I knew watched it.


"I'm going to be a big star someday!"

The dude even had some hair left on top at that time.
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#4484 1 year ago
Quoted from chad:

What's that Fred?

Works for me! lol.

Near the end, his partner looked like she might have had a substance abuse problem or something.

#4485 1 year ago

My apologies to Stepfanie Kramer.

A little research shows she kept on being productive well after Hunter. Perhaps at the time she just looked a little stressed is was I noticed.

#4552 1 year ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Indeed last time I checked pinball is a 3D game. Taking pinball to the next dimension? ... how ironic Lol

"Jetting you back to the 80s" sounds kind of ironic coming from someone that said they would not be outdated like the rest of the industry.

As long as Sledge Hammer! is in the works, I can let that slide. Only if.

Nimblepin brought over his box set and we watched the pilot episode the other night. Good stuff!
I'm not sure if some of that humor would fly on TV today.

#4556 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Recently watched an episode of the "Prince from Bel Air"

I saw that one. lol.

In that Sledge Hammer! loudener clip that was posted a few pages back, you can clearly see him flipping the bird as he rubs his eye. All kinds of little things like that sometimes take a second watch to notice.

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#4558 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I meant the show with Will Smith.

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#4563 1 year ago

And I just bought a Ferrari for the price of a Fiat.

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#4570 1 year ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Errr.. Toyota.

is better than both those pieces. lol

I'm not going to go back through 92 pages of nothing to find what Italian sports car deeproot is trying to sell us. From what I understand they don't even have a dealership or a showroom yet.

#4573 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Why not get some happiness from playing pinball instead of insanely ridiculous trolling?

#4576 1 year ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Remember the Pinto and Pacer ? Those were gorgeous and wonderfully engineered.

How could I forget. You could make a big sandwich in the back of a Pacer.

#4578 1 year ago
Quoted from Extraballz:

Deeproot what ever you do make sure your PF’s are good. Otherwise you may be dead on arrival.

Nah. If it is somebody's "dream theme", they will buy it sight unseen with joy and piles of cash. And then save the bitching for later on pinside. Probably still won't stop them from buying another.

#4580 1 year ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

My "dream theme" will be to get my RAZA and a second machine DR is giving me for the money I lost with Jpop.

My dream theme is Sledge Hammer!, and I hope that's one of the second games you have to choose from.

#4582 1 year ago
Quoted from dc2010:

What no Highlander ?

Highlander is a cool movie, but there have been enough fantasy themed games lately, and humor is what is really missing.

What was the last game that had a good sense of humor besides those making them laughing all the way to the bank and at those that think they deserve new playfields ?

#4585 1 year ago
Quoted from dc2010:

No, there have been enough music pins lately,
If we're going to discuss Slede Hammer or Matrix etc.... Why not Highlander?

You just answered your own question. A Highlander would have to have music by Queen and that would make it another music pin with a fantasy theme. Same thing.. But you are free to discuss anything. Noone's holding you back.

There is a reason Medieval Madness is maybe the most beloved game since the DMD era began and it's not that pissed off ugly king on the translite. One major thing sets it apart.


#4593 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Another casualty of Pinside?

In my experience, usually it's the user's own doing. One way or another.

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#4607 1 year ago

No. I already have a Dirty Harry.

That would be like owning a WNBJM and one of those other games made with it's leftover parts.

#4714 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

The TNA playfield issue was quickly resolved by Spooky and Charlie owned up to it.

Indeed! The clearcoat and wood was the best I have seen on any newer game. That wasn't what caused the problem. Not sure it's my place to say what it was.

#4722 1 year ago

Even the worst of character designs start out as a sketch.

#4735 1 year ago
Quoted from branlon8:

it has veered off course a bit

Back on track!

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#4737 1 year ago
Quoted from dc2010:

They aren't making Sledgehammer lol

How would you know?

From where I'm sitting they haven't made anything yet. Except a few drawings like girls in my kindergarten class used to do.

#4740 1 year ago

I'm hoping Sledge is a Barry Oursler or Dennis Nordman game.

#4767 1 year ago

Did anybody ever notice Sledge's dimples?

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#4772 1 year ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

I also bought TSPP NIB and it never had a dimple or any other issues with the playfield when I owned it. My NIB TWD premium playfield looks like the surface of the moon.

Yes, I think those of us that don't wear the NIB or fanboy goggles have figured out this whole "all playfields will extremely dimple and smooth out with time" is a total crock of shit.

#4776 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Look at these tz photos... see all the black dots and changes in gloss when you zoom in? Those are low points in the sanding...aka divots.

Is that a repro or did you get that from vid's collection? He must have bought all the seconds and rejects back in the day. But hey, if the price is right...

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#4782 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

my game from the 90s which I had fully broken down 2 years ago.

After I looked a little closer a lot of what I saw was actually part of the artwork.

On BM66 it makes it so you can't see the artwork.

#4786 1 year ago
Quoted from PismoArcade:

I bought my TSPP NIB and played it nonstop. When I sold it earlier this year, the playfield looked perfect. Not one dimple.

On the other hand my BM66 was a dimple fest to the point that even my non pinhead friends commented about it.

Quoted from vicjw66:

I also bought TSPP NIB and it never had a dimple or any other issues with the playfield when I owned it. My NIB TWD premium playfield looks like the surface of the moon.

Interesting how during the lean years, they were able to put out a better product than now during this boom. Perhaps they had to to stay alive.

And I'm wondering when deeproot is going to show some art beyond these sketches that will actually sell pinball games.

#4788 1 year ago
Quoted from dc2010:

November 15th would be a guess

Hopefully these sketches are just for some comic book and won't appear on expensive pinball machines.

#4791 1 year ago
Quoted from kvan99:

I just want to chime in and ask where the f@ck where you guys hiding when I was fighting this dimple battle in the other threads? Well better late than never...pfft

You know I was with you there brother! Back then it was a little tough to out spam the "voice of reason".

#4794 1 year ago

I wonder how many of those that vocally denied playfield cratering was a problem, which to me was fair warning, are now stuck with blistering and chipping playfields and are bitching about that. Serves em right!

#4796 1 year ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Its very clear you were not properly arguing your dimple issues in the correct thread like this Deeproot one.

Can't say I didn't try.


#4800 1 year ago
Quoted from Lamprey:

steel is harder than wood

Surprised with all the pinballs I've dropped, they don't put a dent in my oak hardwood floor. Or how, although not steel, a 100 MPH fastball won't dent a wooden bat.

#4803 1 year ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

To the people who say that old playfields have just evened out after thousands of dimples and essentially compressed the wood everywhere on the playfield so it will not dimple anymore I ask, why don’t manufacturers just compress the playfields in order to harden the wood so no more dimpling can occur?

I always just ask why is it compressed now all the way to the posts, when the ball can only get within a half inch of them. Oh, then we have those pesky inserts that although not wood, still seem to compress at the same rate.

#4806 1 year ago
Quoted from Lamprey:

I like it! Replace the laminated plywood playfields with solid oak!

You'd have to double the thickness of my oak floor, then of course it would be more prone to cratering.

#4809 1 year ago

It just baffles me that some people don't even trust their own eyes enough that they would rather base their beliefs on a science project. Such is their life.

#4815 1 year ago
Quoted from BigT:

problems happen when demand exceeds production.

I thought about that after that post. They are churning them out now, and no time to slow down. One will lead to the other though. That is inevitable.

Perhaps deeproot will bring at least one game to the table before the whole industry slows to a crawl.

#4817 1 year ago

I agree with what you said about the soft wood as clear coat is made to flex just like on a car, however

Quoted from Manic:

Back in the day there would be the occasional soft PF but it would be an aberration . I experienced this when a distributor miraculously gave me a full refund for a NIB CV that had the softest wood I'd ever seen. The next new one I bought was fine..

Quoted from Manic:

TWD is one of my fav games but I've had to accept that PF in certain areas will always look like the surface of the moon. Not a huge deal but it reminds me of that CV's soft wood.

You like many other are now accepting lessor quality wood that at one time you would not. So

Quoted from Manic:

Now if they were talking about the recent wrinkling and chipping around the posts on these new machines... yeah that would indeed be "failure of the top coat"
You gotta admit... with this current situation that leads to bare wood on new PF's our attention to dimpling seems rather quaint in comparison.

If soft wood and dimpling are OK with the consumer, than why would a lessor clear coat be not?

#4830 1 year ago