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#325 2 years ago
Quoted from Ericc123:

ForceFlow there isn’t going to be a prototype lol. Prototypes are for the rest of the looser companies.

The tighter companies had prototypes too.

LTG : )

2 weeks later
#549 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

Anytime I see a company that is talking about multiple titles and big future before one prototype is even playable, I'm a little skeptical.

No reason to be skeptical, wasn't it posted they won't be doing prototypes ?

LTG : )

3 weeks later
#678 1 year ago
Quoted from pinstor12:

You hit a pothole on accident, I assume. In your control, mostly.

Wouldn't car insurance cover it ? Comprehensive ? Minus deductible.

LTG : )

3 months later
#876 1 year ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

oh man what the heck now?!

Heck's Bible Stories pin ?

LTG : )

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#885 1 year ago
Quoted from deeproot:

I got 4 games for the guys to show them what not to do in pinball. One of them was GB.

A game that sold more than Stern figured and slowed down future games coming out after it.

Can't wait to see what you guys build that is going to be so amazing that GB is not what to do.

LTG : )

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#918 1 year ago
Quoted from daudioguy:

I have high hopes for DR.

I have high hopes for you David ! I hope this all works out for you.

LTG : )

#966 1 year ago
Quoted from Zavadoza:

DR never said they'd have a $50k game.

Didn't they mention Alice In Wonderland and at least one model for $50K ?

LTG : )

#981 1 year ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

then you can very likely expect them to come with major drawbacks.

Like not hold screws and posts good like on the Bally plastic playfields ?

LTG : )

#1010 1 year ago
Quoted from blowback1976:

Anyone else curious, if they're releasing several titles at once, and only one is good, how that will affect sales of the others. Sure hope they have something decent lined up.

That could be a problem the other direction. Say they release three games. All at the same time. What if all three are great games ? What if you have to choose one ?

Sure will be interesting. I hope what ever they unveil is great.

LTG : )

3 weeks later
#1112 1 year ago

A nice interview. I wish them every success.

I look forward to seeing their games when the five days of Deep Root starts. And especially if I can get a look under the hood in case I ever help somebody with a tech question.

LTG : )

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#1184 1 year ago
Quoted from jj44114:

Big plans, big load, seen it before.

That is a problem. Gene got it done. ( BBB ) JJP got it done. And people may have gotten complacent and thinking anyone could do it. Then we've seen some notable failures. So the pendulum has swung way the other way. People aren't so quick to believe.

Since they aren't asking for up front money. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and see what happens as things progress. A couple of recent hires have faith in what is going on. Another positive sign. So soon enough we shall see.

TPF isn't that far away. Doesn't cost us anything to watch what happens once the days of Deeproot starts. Wish them well and hope the best for pinball.

LTG : )

#1189 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

Perhaps. But as stated on their website, they may be getting their money from investors just the same.

Perhaps I could have worded it better.

They aren't in here begging for huge deposits on future games if you want one.

LTG : )

1 week later
#1241 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

Take Capcom for example. They just charged into pinball production while it was booming in the mid 90s.

More like Capcom charged in when pinball production was on the roller coaster to hell. By the mid 90s pinball was in serious decline. Sales dropping, production dropping, factories closing or would soon.

LTG : )

2 weeks later
#1406 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Why does everyone want to see Dennis Nordman's tits?

Next time you see him, give him a big hug. You'll understand why.

Of course you'll need a stool to stand on.

LTG : )

#1408 1 year ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Heh heh heh heh heh...you said stool...

Yes. Careless of me.

I also forgot Mr68 has probably only seen Dennis' belt buckle.

LTG : )

#1410 1 year ago
Quoted from Jjsmooth:

What exactly was he doing if Dennis's belt buckle was at eye level?

Mr68 is short. Dennis is tall.

Mr68 wasn't doing anything.

LTG : )

#1413 1 year ago
Quoted from Jjsmooth:

I don't think u got the hidden meaning.

Yeah, right.

LTG : )

1 week later
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#1440 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

But in March 2019 we should see more than one completed title from them, right? That's only seven months away!

I hope it works out for them.

If it don't, you'll see the biggest ever crap storm on Pinside. The mods won't be able to keep up.

LTG : )

1 month later
#1613 1 year ago
Quoted from daudioguy:

pinside abhors a vacuum....

It's a Dyson or a Kirby !

LTG : )

1 month later
#1922 1 year ago
Quoted from stevevt:

I’ve been very clear. Pinball is Easy because there are no excuses for failing to deliver value, quality, and quantity. But everything that goes into making pinball is definitely (not for the faint of heart) complex.

And no testing or prototypes are needed.

I wish they'd show something at TPF.

LTG : )

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#1949 1 year ago

I just hope they are successful, in spite of any delay.

That would be way better for pinball, than if they aren't.

LTG : )

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#1974 1 year ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Would it? they haven't taken any consumer money, and they're paying salaries of pinball people in the meantime. If they fail and fold up before taking money OUT of the hobby, I'm not sure it makes any difference at all.

Worst case scenario. They don't get anything out the door.

No consumer money lost.

But many of the people working there, could have been working on pinball projects at other manufacturers. We lose a lot of talent that would have been better used on other things.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : I hope Deep Root is successful.

#1981 1 year ago
Quoted from ausretrogamer:

Could it be possible that they are trolling all of us (or throwing us off the scent) & then surprise us all with machines at TPF?

No. More like announce now so people forget about the big reveal in three months.

If they waited until the show, all heck would break loose.

This way they can regroup and make a better estimate of the when and where and what.

LTG : )

2 weeks later
#2174 1 year ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

What outside assistance did Gene have? He hired everyone who worked on that project, no?

I believe there were four different groups who one at a time had problems with them and Gene or Gene and them. There were some locals who volunteered free labor. And Kerry Stair ( Mantis Amusements - great pinball weldments and protectors, etc. ) who came in to build a game or two and found out he was completing them.

I never got paid. Not even a free part. There was hardly a day that they didn't email me for info or pictures.

Gene got it done. Take nothing away from him. And he lost a lot of money doing it. He did have help along the way, paid or not.

LTG : )

1 month later
#2399 11 months ago
Quoted from ltd73:

The TPF schedule has been released and no Deeproot panel at all. I find it fishy that these guys live down the road and they're not scheduled to do a "meet the crew" seminar like they did at Expo.

According to a post on Pinside, they are still supporting the TPF show. Which I would think means sponsor or something, they aren't stopping that.

LTG : )

#2436 11 months ago
Quoted from branlon8:

who’s in for a nature or animal themed pin - maybe woodchucks ?

Armadillos, Texas speed bumps.

LTG : )

3 weeks later
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#2502 10 months ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

but there's always collateral damage.

Like the people working for Deeproot whose efforts/labor will be lost if games aren't built. And their efforts during that time that could have been in games built during this period by other manufacturers.

This is the reason I really hope Deeproot is successful so talent isn't lost.

LTG : )

1 month later
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#2836 9 months ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Deeproot will be number 1 in pinball soon enough.

Can't wait. All they have to do is make thousands of games, that people like and buy.

Since all the other manufacturers are taking notice and closing, I best hit deeproot for a tech support job soon or I'll be out of work.

LTG : )

P.S. When is this going to actually happen ?

#2855 9 months ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

Google Zingy Bingy, you'll see how weird a game without a backbox looks (not going to post here for obvious reasons)

Backbox for Zingy Bingy is missing. No idea where. It definitely had one. Capcom art department spent $30K on two figures for it.

LTG : )

#2858 9 months ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

Google Zingy Bingy, you'll see how weird a game without a backbox looks

I'm sorry. I should have added that the existing pictures of Zingy Bingy clearly show what a pinball machine looks like without a backbox.

No pictures exist of it's backbox.

LTG : )

#2898 9 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

And here is a company standing completely on their own feet delivering these, getting shat on for this.

They haven't delivered any games yet. Hence the shat.

Once they do, the shat will decrease.

LTG : )

#2925 9 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

If a large tech driven company bothered to do anything in the realm of Pinball they would squash every company like an elephant on an ant.

If they bring games to market that people want to play and buy.

History has shown that leaps in technology/product aren't always successful. Quadraphonic didn't set the world on fire 30 years ago. The Edsel wasn't popular. Apple's Newton Message Pad.

LTG : )

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#2985 9 months ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Jpop gets so much hatred.

People tend to reap what they sow.

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Not cool he tried so hard.

Playing arts and crafts ?

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

He’s also a good faithful family man.

You really need to read the threads when things were coming apart and people started legal proceedings. The word "good" doesn't come to mind with what was going on.

LTG : )

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#3001 9 months ago
Quoted from RCA1:

Can't wait to see the arguing really blow up in this thread once something actually happens.

I hope not.

I hope Deeproot gets their game or games out, and I hope it's all we hope for.

That would be great for pinball, great for Pinside.

LTG : )

#3083 9 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Wait. Does this mean I'm not one of the cool kids?

You are. And will always be. The essence of cool.

LTG : )

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#3326 8 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

A statement will also be made as to the launch date of deeproot. A date we’ve spent a lot of time ensuring will be met this time.

Looking forward to that and best wishes !

LTG : )

#3383 8 months ago
Quoted from DennisDodel:

Game was considered a dog at the time.

I had one in my business in the early 2000's. Still a dog. Beautiful machine limping along at a buck or two a week. Not sad to see it go.

LTG : )

2 weeks later
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#3445 8 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

I like the kind of flattery that I can put in the bank.

At least he didn't charge you for using you or your likeness. Not to forget you and him delivering or setting up games.

LTG : )

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#3454 8 months ago
Quoted from pin2d:

If all we wanted to do is compete with existing pinball manufacturers and churn out the outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today,

Thank God we have all this outdated and uninspired crap to play until your games come out.

LTG : )

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#3458 8 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

That's 8-10 pins right there just waiting for deeproot to do something besides talk.

But those 8-10 pins will be nothing but unorganized grab-ass-tic pieces of amphibian shit!

Full Metal Jacket quotes sound better than outdated and uninspired.

LTG : )

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#3520 8 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...

— Robert dT

I sincerely apologize. I thought you were building pinball machines for operators and collectors to buy and play.

I didn't know you were doing all of this just for you.

LTG : )

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#3555 8 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Is anyone other then Josh still posting here?

Ferret, Barry, Keith, Gerry, Charlie, maybe a few others I'm missing.

Of course they usually post when they have something to say that helps with their own games or company. Not ragging on other manufacturers or games.

LTG : )

#3572 8 months ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

we can definitely use another quality Pin manufacturer in the mix

Do you think there will ever be one ?

LTG : )

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#3626 8 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Stern sunk. They were bailed out.

That isn't quite accurate.

Gary kept the doors open in the worst decade in coin op ever. Look at the year the investor came in. And the games Stern made leading up to it. They were rolling, the investor made things bigger, better, faster.

LTG : )

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#3632 8 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

hand out FREE SHIT.

Darn.

I'm here for the free shit.

LTG : (

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#3681 7 months ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

what do you think about deeproot by what you’ve heard so far?"

I'll always think of comments like this, "outdated and uninspired". Trampling on the companies and people who actually made the pinball machines we love, enjoy, and can play.

Thankfully my arcade will continue into the future without ever having a deeproot game in it.

LTG : )

#3737 7 months ago
Quoted from chad:

I see John but cannot read the last name

John K Manueian or John K Manuelan

LTG : )

2 weeks later
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#4044 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I'm waiting for LTG to respond.... (:

Quoted from Extraballz:

I think manufacturers can achieve 90;s B/W quality/reliability

HaHaHaHa.

Most people here never uncrated a NIB Williams pin from their DMD era, or even before or after.

I have.

Why would you want Jersey Jack Pinball, Stern, American Pinball, Spooky Pinball, to lower their standards and match the problems and issues of a by gone era ?

LTG : )

#4054 6 months ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I just mailed back my "modified" agreement for 2 DeepRoot machines.

Do you know what games you'll get ?

I hope they are amazing and please you.

LTG : )

#4057 6 months ago
Quoted from cjmjmm2006:

What is your experience Llyod?

Unboxing Gottlieb, early solid state Stern, Bally, Williams. I've probably opened in excess of 150 pinball machines. The Williams DMD era it seemed each pin had a few days tweaking to get things right and working. Occasionally missing parts, etc. Usually minor inconvenience, only a couple dead in the water. Not counting a prototype Jackbot that probably got used for test, crated and shipped, more likely a mix up at the factory.

I don't have experience with Stern SPIKE games. Stern Whitestar and SAM games had the 90's Williams beat on out of the box quality. No experience on Multimorphic, Spooky, American Pinball, Heighway or Dutch.

For me Jersey Jack Pinball and PPS/CGC games out of the box has been excellent. Since I usually get early JJP games, a few had updates. Hobbit ball trap guard for in front of pop up characters, Pirates a change on Black Pearl pivot brackets. Bear in mind I work for both companies, so take what I post with a grain of salt.

LTG : )

#4076 6 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I and many others will be made whole

That is what I hope for. You and the others get great games for your money and for your wait.

LTG : )

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#4110 6 months ago
Quoted from mrgone:

Hang tough iceman.

Lots of hopes for Iceman. Hope he returns. Hope he gets his Deeproot game(s). I hope they are great and he enjoys them.

LTG : )

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#4231 6 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I'm sporting wood over the new Jurassic Park2 release and it looks like Stern has earned my business back

Got that right. Keith Elwin design. Game play looks fast. After Iron Maiden I wondered if Keith had another great game in him. And it looks like he knocked another one out of the park.

LTG : )

#4234 6 months ago
Quoted from ZNET:

Pun intended?

Wasn't intended.

Is cute.

Thank you for pointing that out.
LTG : )

#4298 6 months ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Deeproot was so adamant and arrogant a year ago

That is what did it for me, and the comment "outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today".

I don't wish them anything bad. I hope they are very successful and build great games. What ever they build won't be for me.

LTG : )

2 weeks later
#4497 5 months ago
Quoted from cjmjmm2006:

Saw this today. Thoughts?

Hard to say. What does the rest of the game look like ?

Art work like that looks great. I hope the game is great too.

LTG : )

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#5323 76 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Especially since AP had TWO games almost complete by this same time frame

And the 10 Magic Girl games they initially built.

LTG : )

#5352 75 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

Hi all, as long as everything comes together tonight as planned (knock on wood), This Week in Pinball will be sharing images of the Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland prototype machine tomorrow morning on TWIP.

I hope it does, and is close to production, for Deeproot and customers.

This thread will explode tomorrow.

LTG : )

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#5493 74 days ago

Looks amazing. A lot better than I thought it would be.

Congratulations Deeproot on a great start.

LTG : )

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#5541 74 days ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

A lot of these responses are the reason why Robert (wisely) doesn't post here.

He may have brought some of it on himself.

LTG : )

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#6065 71 days ago
Quoted from Chicoman:

You can trash Jpop all you want...the guy was a terrible CEO but he's made some really good pinball machines.

And these guys had to finish many of them. There is a Steve Ritchie article in an Australian pinball magazine around 1999 that goes into detail.

Quoted from Chicoman:

..Pat Lawlor, Steve Ritchie, Barry Oursler, Dennis Nordman and many others

LTG : )

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#6081 71 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

The game is a prototype. Why can't so many of you understand this?

Because Robert said they didn't need to make prototypes.

So is this really a prototype ? Or production game ?

Is Deeproot at the show and declaring it one or the other ?

LTG : )

#6165 70 days ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Yep, the staff said at the Houston show both were prototypes.

Thank you !

LTG : )

#6399 68 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Anybody up for a HossLE?

In the bunny suit throwing eggs instead of bullets ?

I'm in.

LTG : )

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#6555 67 days ago
Quoted from silen7ce:

I may be in the minority here but I'm actually really looking forward to seeing how this pans out into a complete game...

No. There are people here who hope they are successful.

LTG : )

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#6573 67 days ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

I am an admitted member of the Pinside “sewer”

We need a cool embroidered patch to wear at pinball events to show our membership. Like the biker gangs 1% patch.

LTG : )

#6723 62 days ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

I thought I heard RM put the word out for anyone in the business of making pinball, that he would be happy to talk about "sharing" his "inovations", or even contract manufacturing?

I believe it meant manufacturing process as well as innovations in the games too. They were working on better ways to do a lot of things.

LTG : )

#6807 58 days ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Several years ago, a rookie manufacturing company called Jersey Jack came out with their first prototype, a machine called Wizard of Oz.
Pinside went hysterical about weak flippers and it was the end of the world.
.
.
Déjà fucking vu

I believe this phenomena started with WOZ. First prototypes at a show. You could only play two balls a game. Flippers were weak. People were told this. They would be adjustable. JJP just wanted to show what they were working on.

This set in motion every F'ing new game unveiled at any show. People feel obligated to say something. You ask them, "How did you like it?". Canned response is always "The flippers seemed weak". Whether they are or not.

LTG : )

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#6850 51 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

That's the feeling I get every time I check back on this thread.

My stalking o-din app alerts me and that is what makes me check back on this thread.

LTG : )

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#6852 50 days ago
Quoted from frolic:

I found RM's comments about losing enthusiasm for pinball peculiar when they haven't shipped a single title.

Maybe realizing it isn't easy to build pinball machines. And all that has gone on good and bad. May be wearing on him.

The view going in is always different than the view once you are there.

Hopefully he perks up once things start rolling.

LTG : )

1 week later
#6936 38 days ago
Quoted from frolic:

The list of who qualifies lists the usual assortment of pinheads,

Well I'm definitely an "Other".

Don't understand why I didn't get my invitation yet ?

Must be delayed in the holiday mail.

LTG : )

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#6968 32 days ago
Quoted from razorsedge:

Stern would certainly have to be more uncomfortable than they have been in more than a decade,

I doubt it.

Stern will keep doing what Stern does. Building pinball machines.

LTG : )

#6997 31 days ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder what the response would have been had deeproot revealed a "mixed reality" system like the Stranger Things projector.

Mixed.

LTG : )

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#7062 23 days ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

Meanwhile MOST of the reason Rick & Morty flew off the shelves is because of Scott.

Charlie too. Charlie would climb mountains to get stuff done. He doesn't have time for bravado. He just keeps getting machines built and out the door.

LTG : )

#7201 18 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

So..

I've been offered 2 machines for the money I lost with Zidware.
Never been asked to pay a dime at this point.
Got offered airfare, accommodations and passes to the TPF.

Not a bad deal so far.

Congratulations. I hope you have a safe trip. Lots of fun on the trip. And get two great games !

LTG : )

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