Quoted from Captain-Flint:
Man you are the reason why pinside sucks sometimes... just relax it's just pinball. They are trying to guess the 80s movie that deeproot is making. How is that different than the color dmd guess threads?
I kinda think Captain-Flint is the reason pinside sucks sometimes.. or maybe it’s new people who act like they aren’t... or people that go off topic for 50 pages of irrelevant nonsense.. it’s been so long since I’ve seen a relevant post in here I forget!
Everyone but jpop got applause after they introduced themselves and shared their story.. that’s gotta hurt..
I’m really disappointed in this expo talk.
I have a lot of respect for Steve Bowden, Barry Ousler, and Dennis Nordman. I don’t know the other artists.. So I mean no disrespect to them..
There has been no substance.. Robert is asking questions to the team that’s mostly about their approach to pinball, design etc. JPop rambles on for way too long and says things that directly conflict with how he has executed in the past. I love these designers, but have heard their stories a thousand times at these panels..
This seemed woefully unprepared and last minute. No slides/video or even a static image projected and seemingly loose agenda/message. I would expect with such a powerhouse team and seemingly infinite budget, that at least some slides could be put together. David Thiels presentation that he did himself on Q*Berts audio blew this entire presentation out of the water.
It seems that the company’s plan is to hire big name talent, give them complete freedom, promise everyone the world and hope it all works out. (My opinion). I think this is reflected in the presentation today.
Roberts Main message - We are working hard behind the scenes .. ahead on some things behind on others.. we set a deadline for ourselves, and coming at TPF in March “some amazing things”.
Other main points and “big” promises - Magic girls shipped without the floating ball trick working, it’s never been done and hard to do, but deeproot has solved that problem.
They are going with a one tiered model and one tiered price. Would love to get prices lower than any pinball company has ever been done, with more toys than other games. They will be working on higher end games and will have something for all price ranges.
“Will release more than any manufacturer in history, and more titles that has ever been released in one year”
I don’t want to throw shade on anyone working to expand pinball and bring new technology and games to the market. But my “spidey-sense” is off the charts.. they aren’t taking preorders or money so, no harm in it.. but I can’t put my finger on the gameplan.
The hint at the end was
“Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland”
Heard Robert say to someone that he recently played the “release candidate” for RAZA and loves it. Someone else guessed “Cosmic Chaos” and Robert conformed it was one of those. So.. probably RAZA at TPF
They also referenced the ad in the expo program as a hint.. seems to resonate with RAZA
Thanks I corrected this.
For the others that were there, what were the guesses at the end for what the game to be released at TPF would be? I heard.. RAZA, Kosmic Khaos (the Mark Ritchie concept idea), but there were 1-2 others. Robert confirmed that one of those guessed was correct.
You may be right that it isn’t RAZA, Ed from TPF was in front of us and said to his wife “what’s RAZA?” I assume he would know the next game to be released there.
Quoted from flynnibus:
People questioning 5 in one year and what that does to sales... remember he may not make 5 of the same type of thing.
He could make a video pin, a home pin, a stern-level pin, etc
That’s a good point and Robert did mention they are making a variety of games of different tiers.. but not the same game, with different packages..
Quoted from c508:
This must be some kind of cross-cultural misunderstanding. In the US, showing up at an event like this and walking out IS THE PROTEST.
Of course it is far more effective when people do it en masse, than individually. But when 1/4 - 3/4 of the crowd gets up and walks out on a speaker after they have been introduced it is a pretty effective way of conveying the message.
There are other forms of protest too, but I’m starting to think that in Germany the “walkout” isn’t one of them.
In germany they will just make Jpop drive a car of slightly inferior quality..
Quoted from JosiahCox:
I just don’t.......
Is anyone actually going to give money to a company who hired a man that stole thousands of dollars from our community?
Are we that myopic and forgetful? Do we actually reward companies for making shit moral decisions like this?
I don’t need a Deeproot pinball machine.
You don’t either.
We have plenty of options. Deeproot hired John after we all knew he was a crook so what’s that day about their morality? It tells me that it’s for sale and that’s not how I roll.
Fire Jpop. Until then, I’m boycotting DR.
Yeah.. even Jpop seems dillusional about the crimes he committed against this community.. Robert seems to be a huge fanboy of Jpop, so him getting fired from deeproot isn’t going to happen.
Quoted from jwilson:
He kept talking about revolutionary ideas and if there's one thing pinball people don't like, it's any real variation from the standard format. Hell, even putting the flippers in an alternative configuration puts people off.
It'll be interesting for sure.
I’m a little sick of the Italian bottoms.. bring back the Qbert layout!
Quoted from wolfemaaan:
I got a good look at Magic Girl at Pinball Madness, and whatever J-Pop turns out with this company, everyone will be in line to buy.
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That’s just about all that anyone can get is a “good look”. Because it sure as hell doesn’t do anything else..
Quoted from wolfemaaan:
Sounds like a bunch of butthurt haters in here. The fact there is a thread dedicated to J-pop is all you need to know. When I meet him I’m gonna hi five him twice. Once for all the great machines he designed and the second for pimpin all your money .
I saw nobody in line for Deadpool, Midevil Madness not Monster Bash, but all his Pins were non stop people waiting to play
So keep pretending he’s not the MAC. He got all your money and hasn’t skipped a beat and will have another great Pin out next year.
Pinside less than 1 year.. What position do you hold at deeproot?
In a steve Richie seminar, he talked about how Atari spent too much time trying to reinvent things that didn’t need to be reinvented (flipper mechs, etc.) when they should have been trying to focus on making better games.. (paraphrased). That ultimately led to their demise.
Heighway had some similar patterns, passive switches, interchangeable playfields, etc. and we know what happened there.
It’s a fine line between pushing the line of innovation, and reinventing just for the sake of reinventing. And this patent looks to be a solution without a problem.
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