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deeproot Pinball thread

By pin2d

2 years ago

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#277 2 years ago
Quoted from InfiniteLives:

Wow this guy tho. mind blown.
i can feel his ego popping thru my screen

That’s, uh, not his ego ...

#377 2 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Getting a Copperfield license may be a bit creepy now that he’s apparently been outed as a pedo rapist

Creepy, for sure, but on the bright side the Copperfield license should also be considerably cheaper now. Remember, these guys hired JPop, so they're clearly not deterred by the potential for a bit of bad press.

Plus, there's great synergy with George H.W. Bush's recently revealed pickup line: "'David Cop-a-feel is my favorite magician."

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#1861 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

All I'm hoping is that somebody steps up and makes a game about a horny monkey.

Dude, this could be a perfect retirement project for you (and a great way to get rid of that $212k that’s been weighing you down, if you didn’t already blow it on a FlowRider). Convert the garage into a factory and you’re ready to roll.

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#1904 2 years ago
Quoted from mcbPalisade:

Ms. Fonda can still do voiceovers just like Elvira!

It's funny, you don't really notice how actors' voices age until you see a project like this. Sean Connery did the voice work in the From Russia With Love videogame back in 2005. I was super-psyched about it, but boy did he sound old. Ended up wishing they'd gone with an impersonator instead. I haven't listened to Jane Fonda in a while but I imagine there might be some of the same issue.

#1906 2 years ago

Celebrity Jeopardy would be a pretty sweet theme. Would fit right in next to a Wheel of Fortune.

4 weeks later
#2000 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

I've also heard with the right fertilizer, it will also grow on trees.

Is that what you're working on with the avocado grove now?

#2041 1 year ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Not what I meant - it’s not in the UHD spec, but it will be back in some format. UHD supports HDR, the only-slightly-less-gut-wrenching-than-motion-smoothing feature, which is this cycle’s 3D. 3D will be back eventually in some future format

What's the beef with HDR? Super vibrant colors are all good in my book. Nothing like that soap opera effect BS they set as the default on the new TVs such that you can barely watch a show at the bar anymore.

3D would be just fine if they could do it without special glasses. But has has been noted a time or two here, no one wants to wear special glasses. Maybe in 10 years when we're all wearing Google Glasses or smart contacts all the time anyway it'll be an easier sell.

4 months later
#2675 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

Scrapped, but I wonder how much time and resources were spent on the scrapped idea. In light of them totally missing their TPF debut and no future dates announced at all.

The key difference from JPop is this guy apparently has the money to burn and is actually paying his team. So long as he doesn’t try to go the preorder route, it’s all good. Of course I hope he’ll actually ship games, but either way, at least so far it’s not on someone else’s dime.

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#2784 1 year ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

This guy knows but he ain't tellin'.
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My, o-din has aged badly since quitting Pinside.

#2795 1 year ago
Quoted from arcademojo:

And they will probably be priced at $6000 by next year. Sorry that’s not figured out.

Seems like they’re still making plenty of money and moving plenty of units, so Stern presumably views things as “fixed.” At some point Stern will price themselves out of the budget market, but it apparently hasn’t happened yet. If Deeproot applies real price competition for Stern at the low end of the market that’ll be great for buyers, but we’re not quite there yet.

#2808 1 year ago
Quoted from frolic:

Makes me nostalgic for the days of when jpop would dazzle us with art.

At least they're not claiming JPop did the animation.

#2997 1 year ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

He’s also a good faithful family man.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. If only we'd known, we wouldn't have given JPop all that grief about taking millions in deposits and failing to make good on his promises. I always say a man can rob me all he wants, just so long as he's honest to his wife and makes it to church on time.

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#3355 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

We started out with nothing until DR came along and brought in Jpop like him or not
If one had $5k with Jpop, you get your $5k deposit with him from DR per the agreement
That’s a lot better than a poke in the eye

Isn't there also an option to just have DP pay you back your JPop deposit if they're not shipping games on-schedule??

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#3579 1 year ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

I’d drink a beer with J-pop. Much more interesting conversation than this thread

You should look him up. I'd guess that if you're buying, he's drinking. Just leave your checkbook at home, despite outward appearances he evidently has a mesmeric power to talk people into terrible financial decisions.

#3584 1 year ago
Quoted from wolfemaaan:

I’d drink a beer with J-pop. Much more interesting conversation than this thread

Quoted from rubberducks:

Aren't you its most frequent poster?

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#4083 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I could have gotten a full refund of my initial $$ paid to Jpop today

Quoted from iceman44:

You can still hate John and get paid back at the same time

I know you're waiting on deeproot to make games, but have you heard reports of anyone that took the cash back option receiving their refunds? Assuming that's happened, what an incredible outcome for them. Meanwhile you're still coming off as a dick to the people that decided to sue JPop, when you should probably be thanking them. Think deeproot would have made the offer it did if it wasn't trying to bail that deadbeat out of the legal mess he made for himself?

#4099 1 year ago
Quoted from RobT:

Ice, given your track record/experience of getting f*cked by various pinball schemes, I would think that your excitement would be held in check pending this actually happening.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...just how many times have you been fooled Ice?

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#4117 1 year ago
Quoted from russdx:

we don't measure dicks here on pinside its all about how many Nibs you have unboxed......

Quoted from cosmokramer:

Cant we do both?

Kind of a mashup then?

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#4310 1 year ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Interesting. There are a LOT of people on pinside who signed up, so they should be receiving similar payoffs soon

Assuming anyone took the payout and didn’t hold out for games - haven’t seen anyone on Pinside report that they asked for the cash yet.

#4337 1 year ago
Quoted from FlippinJB:

From a PR perspective, surely now is the time for Robert to reveal more about his games?

Disagree. Assuming deeproot wants to sell games (and not just capture our collective attention for 48 hours until Stern or whoever announces the next hot title) the time to start talking again is when they're actually ready to go into production, and you can pay a distributor and get one in a month or less. Jersey Jack has said repeatedly that he's learned this expensive lesson, and won't be announcing future games until they're ready to roll.

#4341 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

deeproot chose to use Zidware's intellectual property. Given this decision, the need to shield deeproot from legal exposure from Zidware customers seems glaringly obvious to me.

Really? So you’re saying if I license technology from a company that has not honored its debts to other customers, I assume legal liability for those debts?

I interpreted the settlements with Zidware customers as a PR move to cover deeproot hiring JPop and using some of his old designs without immediately alienating 3/4 of the customer base. But I’m not following your legal argument.

#4384 1 year ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Doesnt Jpop work for DR? Didn't DR make a deal with former zidware customers? Seems like a good place to discuss.

Quoted from Fulltilt:

Totally agree. But to suggest the other members are irrelevant to the discussion is missing the forest for the trees.

The problem is that the only deeproot news at the moment is JPop bailout refunds. When deeproot starts actual production on games by other designers, they'll start getting discussed as well.

#4403 1 year ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Actually I like all 5 and you even forgot the Ferrari for a Fiat pricetag and the Sledgrhammer!

Not to mention cracking down on Pinside lawyers practicing without a license. They've been very busy.

#4427 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

But, real sorry you missed out while it was raining all those Benjamins.

To be fair, it started off raining dubious settlement offers from a company no one had heard of. As it turns out deeproot is making good on its promise to cash people out if it couldn't make the games in time, but I wouldn't necessarily have bet on that back in the day when the offers went out.

#4464 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

Seriously, with all the retro going on in pinball right now, can anybody think of a real good reason why Sledge Hammer! would not be a great pinball theme? It's got fans now that weren't even alive when the show first aired. I was one of the ones that watched every episode when it did.

I missed Sledge Hammer! in the 80s (didn't have a TV), but all of this talk inspired me to take the plunge. Season One on eBay ran me $4.99 shipped, seemed like a tolerable risk. I saw a few reviews comparing it to Brisco County Jr., hope it lives up to the hype.

#4505 1 year ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

Sees 30 new posts, enters thread. Sees same old bs, exits thread.

Sees pink penis ...

#4590 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

Noone's holding you back.

He’s better not.

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#4616 1 year ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

The original design was much cleaner (better) by logo standards.

True, you could much more cleanly see the butt cheeks in their original logo.

#4694 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

You mean one way promotion where the author controls the message and who is allowed to question or follow up?
It’s why people leave forums and goto twitter or blogs where they can self moderate and control who/if anyone can have an equal platform to respond to their content. It’s not a good thing - it’s a method to control the message. And Instead of just making a blog post... he sends it to Chris who has a bigger built in audience... and he knows he can swoon Chris into being his amplifier.
It’s manipulation- not progress.

mr68 didn't call it progress or a good, he said it was a "smart move" for deeproot to stop posting on Pinside. Which it is. There's just nothing to be gained by engaging in back and forth on the forums when you can get your message out just as effectively, under much more controlled conditions, through other venues. Stern and JJP reached the same conclusion, whether it's "good" or not it is a sound business decision.

#4698 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Engagement is a good thing. - trick is it takes the right kind of people. Completely disengaging is a retreat and just hunkering down. It’s not a good thing for consumers.

Whether or not it's good for consumers, it's a smart business decision for pinball manufacturers to disengage from forums and stick to controlled media outlets. Doesn't mean you don't monitor the forums and respond to specific complaints offline if necessary. But the imbalance in the risk/reward of actively engaging seems pretty obvious.

#4701 1 year ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

spooky figured out a better way to clear

So we all thought, but then they were having clear chipping issues with TNA. Playfield integrity seems to be a struggle for everyone these days.

#4713 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

The TNA playfield issue was quickly resolved by Spooky and Charlie owned up to it. So far ACNC's playfields are only getting the highest of compliments. Which tells me if they can figure it out, then so should the big boys.

Good to hear, I had seen the pictures and complaints but hadn't heard that the TNA issues were all resolved. And agreed that if Spooky's got it nailed down, no excuse for Stern and JJP not to follow suit.

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#4766 1 year ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Yea, because missing deadlines and being dishonest havent been a roadmap for 3 companies crashing and burning(customers $$$ in the past 10 years) , but doesnt matter to reasonable people?

Deeproot's silly announcements and blown deadlines don't bother me -- and I suspect many other people -- because deeproot, at least so far, isn't taking preorder money. How they spend their investors' money is between them and their investors. And if they lose some sales thanks to a series of premature announcements, they've failed to lean anything from JJP but it's still not my problem. Most of us will happily take a look at what they've got if and when they get a game to market.

#4792 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

You know I was with you there brother! Back then it was a little tough to out spam the "voice of reason".

Don't sell yourself short, buddy, you can out-spam just about anyone when you put your mind to it!

#4834 1 year ago
Quoted from fanuminski:

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If you want to post an animated gif, you've got to use the "Original size (no rescaling)" setting.

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#4867 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

You should PM deeproot directly. And while you're at it, I'm sure he is willing to take more investment money to keep this project on track.

Just don't offer him any free legal advice, he doesn't care for that at all.

#4875 1 year ago
Quoted from GunsNPinball:

According to Kanedas podcast there will be a presence from deeproot at expo but there wont be any games

So we have some new banner art to look forward to? The anticipation mounts ...

#4886 1 year ago
Quoted from o-din:

This thread is on fire!

Just culling the herd.

#4912 1 year ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Come back Nov 15/16th

For furious discussion about the new art deeproot will be debuting at Expo, since the games are evidently not to be revealed yet.

Quoted from GunsNPinball:

so it looks like there won't be a full reveal from Deeproot in November. According to Kanedas podcast there will be a presence from deeproot at expo but there wont be any games ready

#4974 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

I've been asking and wondering when they'd release any info to back up their very interesting and very bold claims for months now.

The only “information” deeproot can release that will do anything positive for their company is to produce a playable game and say that it’ll be ready to ship in 2-4 weeks. If they’re not ready to do that, better to remain silent for now.

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#5102 1 year ago

Is there some reason we're comparing WeWork and deeproot? They don't seem to have much in common. For starters, WeWork actually has a product that you can buy and use right now in dozens of cities around the world. And their finances are at least somewhat public now, while none of us know anything about deeproot's finances other than that they're presumably still spending money, and they haven't got anything on the market that could generate revenue.

#5173 1 year ago
Quoted from Tomass:

I honestly thought you said does not equate. Posted after a glass of wine. First one in a year I might add.

Just goes to show you're out of practice and should drink more regularly.

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#6755 12 months ago
Quoted from greenhornet:

its not too late for DR to consider a different direction

Stern already snagged the money-maker with the OG Star Wars license. If you theme a game after the latest three SW movies you don't get that nostalgic Gen X/Boomer money that's so crucial to pinball sales. And at that point you might as well go with a different blockbuster franchise like Fast & Furious, where at least your not competing against five or six existing machines with the same basic theme (but featuring the characters that your customer base loves, not the new ones that they're less jazzed about).

#6762 12 months ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Mod team, what is the maximum # of "bumps" one can have before the post is censured? Is this posted in the rules? "Not 10, but more than 5?" Not trying to be an arse, but can anyone refer me to the "Max # of bumps" Rule?

Have they ever allowed “bumps” of non-sale threads? Especially ones that are getting multiple posts a day anyways? I can’t remember seeing it before, but then again maybe it’s rarely tried since there’s little point in bumping a thread that’s already attracting attention.

#6829 11 months ago
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

Michael Bloomberg?

What about him? He jumping into the pin business too? At least we know he’s got the cash for it.

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#6887 11 months ago
Quoted from 6S3NC3:

I remember getting in on BHZA in the beginning. I even flew into Chicago and visited John and he showed me mind blowing things and art that would make any pin jealous. Then he took me/us for our money. IF deeproot gave me 2x my money with a 50% off coupon i would not touch this thing with a 10 foot poll. Nothing close to the hopes and dreams he had. The only good memory of the trip was meeting up with Gweempose.

Did you get the cash back from deeproot?

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