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Post #111 Firsthand information from the Magic Girl programmer. Posted by applejuice (6 years ago)

Post #3026 RAZA promotional video Posted by PinMonk (4 years ago)

Post #5771 First RAZA gameplay video Posted by ZMeny (4 years ago)

Post #5874 RAZA video with more audible game sounds Posted by zaphX (4 years ago)

Post #5926 First RAZA video with successful ramp completion Posted by zaphX (4 years ago)

Post #5967 Another RAZA gameplay video Posted by flynnibus (4 years ago)

Post #6050 Closeup pictures of key playfield features Posted by Potatoloco (4 years ago)

Post #6133 Video of display animations Posted by LateCenturyMods (4 years ago)

Post #6329 Summary of Robert Mueller's interview Posted by jeffspinballpalace (4 years ago)

Post #6724 RAZA Gameplay video Posted by DS_Nadine (4 years ago)

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#2875 4 years ago
 
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Quoted from DS_Nadine:

The "40 animators" don't sit at Deeproot Pinball 24/7 working on pinball games but in another (video game related) Deeproot subsidiary wich they have access to.

It's interesting that the video never said "pinball." Perhaps their properties will span a number of formats? RAZA: the video game! RAZA: the pinball! RAZA: the animated series! RAZA: the lunchbox! RAZA: the flamethrower! [that last in conjunction with Elon Musk...]

[It has been pointed out to me that the very first 2 seconds of the video say "Deeproot Pinball." Mea culpa!]

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#2884 4 years ago
 
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Quoted from DS_Nadine:

You should watch that again.

Ah, man, I'd missed the first 2 seconds of the video! Now I have to retract my joke.

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#3602 4 years ago
 
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Quoted from chiefbrody:

making pinball great again. Get the hat.

He'd have to buy it from JJP, though, and the poor quality may keep his hat engineers from engineering on deeproot hats.

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#11960 3 years ago
 
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Quoted from flynnibus:

perineal blowhard

That may be the most amusing and appropriate misspelling I've ever seen.

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#17612 3 years ago
 
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Quoted from Roostking:

JPOPs KISS?!

I see what you did there.

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#22811 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from pinball_keefer:

Weird Al would like a word...

That is my favorite video. It never fails to make me ROTFLOL. Of course, I am white & nerdy...

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#23346 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from HEAD_boss_HOG:

I can say that if he were in CA as a lawyer, he would almost instantly be suspended pending a summary hearing, after which he would 99% surely be disbarred for a certain number of years (5-10 minimum).

Here in TX he'll probably be elected attorney general.

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#23636 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from pookycade:

through another of Robert Mueller’s companies, Relief Defendants.

Pinballnews got that one wrong. The tendency to capitalize key terms in legal documents can lead to confusion.

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#23916 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

One of the benefits of quad/octo manufacturing is the ability to build machines in a smaller space than typical pinball production processes require.
SO WHY THE F WAS ROBERT OBSESSED WITH RENTING ENORMOUS BUILDINGS??

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#27413 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from JodyG:

Pages 35-68 appear to be all the investors who were bilked.
A few notables-
Disney
Pixar
Warner Brothers

WB I get (Goonies). Where did Disney & Pixar fit in? In particular, "Disney c/o Wonderland Music Company, Inc.
and Alameda Gate Music."

Lots of material suppliers- Grainger, Hanson Rivet, Alibaba, Ali Express, etc

You missed Harbor Freight Tools. Octo manufacturing, baby!

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#29111 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from LeonSpinkx:

On a completely unrelated note (hah), King Crimson's "Indoor Games" just might be the only song in human history to have the word "bagatelle" in the lyrics.

I had a hunch that The Decemberists had used "bagatelle" somewhere. I was not disappointed. (OK, it's "bagatelles." That still counts.)

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#29197 2 years ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

the TL-DR relationship

From TL;DR to TL-DR, this is the thread that has it all.

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#31252 1 year ago
 
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Steganography. I uploaded puzzle.jpg to https://aperisolve.fr/ with a blank password. It didn't find anything, but it did report "pinside" in the "common passwords" field. Perhaps this is a password used by someone else's (the author?) previous attempt? Anyway, I tried it again with "pinside" as the password, and got the following steghide output:

You must find the hidden url to reveal the secret. More clues to come.

Ah, "Think dino playing a children's game" ==> "Stegosaurus playing hide and seek" => "steghide"

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#31255 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Nice work. Was not familiar with this stuff.

Thanks. I knew steganography was a thing, but I hadn't had a chance to play with it before, so this was fun.

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#31268 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Medisinyl:

Otherwise, I read there can be more than one password for a single image with steghide, but I agree it sounds like that may be all there is here.

Looks like it is just the one:

$ stegseek --crack ./puzzle.jpg ./RockYou2021.txt
StegSeek 0.6 - https://github.com/RickdeJager/StegSeek

[i] Found passphrase: "pinside"
[i] Original filename: "steganopayload130267.txt".
[i] Extracting to "puzzle.jpg.out".

$ cat ./puzzle.jpg.out
You must find the hidden url to reveal the secret. More clues to come.

Nothing to be found in words.jpg.

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#31270 1 year ago
 
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https://deeprootpinball.com/soap exists. It is empty, however.

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#31271 1 year ago
 
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If I try to pull up URLs based on the word list of the crossword puzzle, it appears those files exist, but I get an error page. However, there is a different error code for each file name. Here is the list of hex error codes that I see:

https://deeprootpinball.com/attackned 0x32
https://deeprootpinball.com/deeproot 0x73
https://deeprootpinball.com/fireandbrimstone 0x48
https://deeprootpinball.com/fivedays 0x89
https://deeprootpinball.com/foodtruck 0x95
https://deeprootpinball.com/gladiator 0x27
https://deeprootpinball.com/goonies 0x92
https://deeprootpinball.com/machineage 0x19
https://deeprootpinball.com/magicgirl 0x45
https://deeprootpinball.com/merlinsarcade 0x43
https://deeprootpinball.com/pinarmor 0x39
https://deeprootpinball.com/pinballiseasy 0x52
https://deeprootpinball.com/pinbar 0x34
https://deeprootpinball.com/pinpod 0x99
https://deeprootpinball.com/pinside 0x57
https://deeprootpinball.com/raza 0x96
https://deeprootpinball.com/silicondrive 0x74
https://deeprootpinball.com/thewho 0x24
https://deeprootpinball.com/xenontube 0x86
https://deeprootpinball.com/yukonyeti 0x61

We tried making those ASCII codes, but after a few decodings that didn't seem to be making much sense. Any ideas? I'm off to play baseball w/the kids.

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#31279 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

PS. What prompted you to try 'soap' as a url?

I was using dirb to scan for hidden files on the server. It comes with a number of wordlists. It scans for files matching the names in these wordlists. The default wordlist contains 4614 words, of which "soap" is one. SOAP is a protocol used by web applications, so I suspect that this was irrelevant to our search. My kids found a Deep Roots Soap Company (yes, part of my Father's Day was have them collab with me on solving this stuff), but I assume they are just an unfortunate bystander.

I then created a wordlist that contains the words from the word search. I thought that one may get a hit. I was surprised when all of them did.

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#31283 1 year ago
 
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I've tried percent encoding, base64, and base64url with no luck:

https://deeprootpinball.com/%32%73%48%89%95%27%92%19%45%43%39%52%34%99%57%96%74%24%86%61
https://deeprootpinball.com/MnNIiZUnkhlFQzlSNJlXlnQkhmE=
https://deeprootpinball.com/MnNIiZUnkhlFQzlSNJlXlnQkhmE

I also tried it using left-to-right order from words.jpg instead of alphabetical order, but no dice.

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#31285 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

encoding of what strings?

I took the hex error codes and glommed them together (32734889...etc.) and then encoded them. I used https://cryptii.com/pipes/binary-to-base64; I assume it does things correctly.

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#31306 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from WindRaidor:

Not that it helps further anything; but, I ran several api tests using postman against those sites listed and didn’t get anything that stood out in the responses. SOAP post based as well as some rest based calls. The thought was maybe those pages were api endpoints that could give some additional clues; but, all of them kicked back “page could not be found” data.

Bummer. Any other way we can subvert this thing to get it to show us hidden directories? I'm not having any luck trying to figure it out in a legitimate fashion.

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#31312 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Medisinyl:

"Twenty words to find, twenty characters in the hidden url. Coincidence? Certainly not. You have everything you need, no hacking necessary."

Have you seen Marvel's What If...Ultron Won? I feel like our puzzler is The Watcher and I'm Clint Barton fumbling through KGB files.

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#31317 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Thizben:

Also I have tried the first letter of each word for the URL, also the last letter, in different orders since the clue was 20 words, 20 letter URL. Just not sure what order they need to be in and I have a sinking suspicion that the order needs to be inverted somehow.

This is quickly going from a fun diversion into "OG King's Quest Rumplestiltskin riddle" territory.

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#31333 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Perhaps it's something basic enough like combining. one character from each of the twenty words.

Probably so, but we've tried a lot of different options there and haven't come up with anything yet. I even looked to see if only 20 letters of the alphabet were used among the words. No luck; there were 24. J & Q were the odd men out.

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#31334 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Beechwood:

T-rex= J-Pop
Childrens game= Pinball
8 letters= Popadiuk
Sigh...

I think "steghide" satisifed the "dino children's game" clue, but the fake 404 pages that they cribbed from Chrome do contain the code for the Chrome Dino game.

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#31357 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from EternitytoM83:

Yeah that's what I had assumed, but what's the other part? Decrypting a cipher often requires both the cipher and some type of keyword.

I assume its either some cipher that doesn't really need a complex key (I threw various forms of modulo cipher at it last week with no success) or that would be easily crackable.

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#31358 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from vicjw66:

I must be missing something here. Is there a reason why anyone would be wasting their time on these puzzle games?

Why does anyone waste time on these pinball games, either? It's fun.

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#31359 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Anyway, here's the sheet I shared a couple weeks ago with the error codes and various conversions in case anyone plans to work on the latest:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AlhfqEQfg4peSAskUAfs0dRgEDupb5xBZtl_K0DIbfs/edit#gid=0

Good summary. The Goonies hex code is wrong.

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#31405 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Medisinyl:

8 - "The origin of the cipher is biblical."

I just came here to post that.

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#31410 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from EternitytoM83:

I feel like that's probably it, but the problem is that Atbash would be a string of letters, and nothing I've tried to translate the error code numbers into letters has resulted in anything that makes sense.
The other possibility I thought of is a book cipher, but I'm not sure how that would work since we'd have to know the exact text they used as the key.

One interesting note about the error codes. They are reported as hex, but the digits are all 1-9. There are no 0, there are no a-f.

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#31459 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from DudeRegular:

Not enough purple

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#31470 1 year ago
 
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Finally got it. I was almost there a couple of weeks ago, but some of the clues from round 1 were throwing me off during round 2.

When I first started looking at the error codes, I couldn't believe that they were actual hex numbers. There were no zero digits, and there were no a through f digits. This seemed to me like it should be a set of indices into a table. And, lo and behold, we had a table in front of us: The word search. I tried indexing into the word search from the top left corner with no luck, though. I gave up after that, because one of the clues from round 1 said "The word search is a red herring."

Like everyone else, the "cipher is Biblical" clue had me looking for some variation of the Atbash cipher. That really didn't seem to fit, though. I returned to a few different variations off and on, but nothing ever felt right.

I actually had considered that the "Biblical" here may reference "Fire and Brimstone," but I wasn't sure how that would fit in. Today's clue sent me back to the word search puzzle, though: "The puzzle is the key." "Fire and Brimstone" began in the lower left corner, so maybe the indexing should start from there? Sure enough: Using the 0x32 error from attackned, count over 3 from the bottom and up 2: 'G'. Then 0x73, the error code from the URL ending in deeproot: 'O'. Etc., etc., until you end up with GOTOSECRETMESSAGEURL. Put https://deeprootpinball.com/gotosecretmessageurl/ in your browser, et voila!

I followed the instructions there and, yeah, I used my real name & e-mail. Probably a bad idea, but whatever. If this gets me on Greatwichjohn's whale list, he'll be sorely disappointed at my lack of fundage.

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#31473 1 year ago
 
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#31475 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from greatwichjohn:

Word puzzles are too hard on my brain, & it is not me.

Just having a bit a of fun with you!

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#31476 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from EternitytoM83:

Nice job! That's what I had been doing, but I hadn't started from the bottom corner.

Thanks! After it originally didn't happen from the top left, I think I did try upper right at the time. Or maybe I did try the lower left, but used the first digit as y axis and second as x? Or something. I gave up pretty quickly because of the "red herring" clue. Today's clue finally gave me what I needed to look at it again.

While I was only doing it for the jollies, I wouldn't turn down a pallet of deeproot water bottles. Or a prototype Raza, though I guess those are spoken for.

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#31477 1 year ago
 
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So, now I guess we get to look forward to the "something interesting" that's happening on July 25. Any guesses?

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#31489 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from Riefepeters:

So…has anyone reverse phone looked up the 575 number to see who owns it?

Knapp Arcade called it, but I don't know of anyone that has looked it up yet.

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#31525 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

That said, Chris comes off as the anti-Robert which is positive.

He seemed that way off camera, as well. We ended up talking for around an hour in total.

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Oh, and and nice going Seraph on the interview + pretty cool prize.

Thanks.

To be honest, I considered not doing it. Besides the fact that I normally hate to be on camera (which was further compounded by the fact that I was well under the weather last week), I didn't want to lend my imprimatur (such as it is, lurker that I am) to anything deeproot-adjacent. I'm close enough to San Antonio that I've had a chance to meet people that were hurt by the fallout. Couple that with the fact that I'm friends with a number of people in the Austin area that have been working hard to engineer and ship real pinball for the last decade and that had to watch lots of customer dollars and interest get sucked south to DR, and I really was concerned that I should just lay low.

When Chris contacted me after the contest ended, I made my reservations known. He assured me that we'd only talk about the puzzle on camera, and that even if I didn't want to do it the prize (the nature of which was unknown to me until it was revealed on the Zoom) would still be coming my way. I figured that this new venture was happening either way, so at least I'd have some time to pick his brain and figure out where it was going. It sounds like a number of things will be different (lack of bluster; increased transparency, like an early Haggis model; self-funded), so there are some positives. I emphasized a couple of times the amount of well-earned pain and distrust that have accrued over the last decade-plus around this topic, but I'm not sure that I effectively impressed on him the depth of the animus that will likely be headed his way.

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#31651 1 year ago
 
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This arrived today. Nice gash on the left corner. Should have been marked frag-i-lé like the old man's leg lamp. Ah, well, I guess it's about par for the deeproot course.

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#31859 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

It's a Twilio virtual number (like google voice)[quoted image]

https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/08/twilio-breach-customer-data/

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#31949 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Oh boy
[quoted image]

Oh, those "interprid" builders.

I'd trace it back to 2011. I don't think 2015 really conveys the full extent of the train wreck.

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#32568 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from JStoltz:

Not to nitpick (ok, deliberately to nitpick), but what is with this logo? What’s the pinball doing rocketing down past the flipper, other than conveniently forming a “T?”
Was this generated by an underfed AI?
[quoted image]

The Pinside avatar is still the old logo: https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/turnerpinball I think I like the new one better.

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#32607 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from DanQverymuch:

Did you not see the "or not"? I think he's covered.

The GWJ defense!

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#32645 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from LORDDREK:

Amazing how one can type three letters it will summon forth a pinball demon. That is some serious black magic right there…

Yeaaahhhh, sorry about that. Kneejerk reaction on hearing the other two magic words ("... or not").

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#33124 6 months ago
 
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Plaintiff and defendant exhibit and witness lists have been submitted for SEC case. Notes of interest:
Both sides expect to present Robert as a witness. Both sides may present Chris Turner as a witness. Defense may also present Steve Bowden and Quinn
Some other SEC exhibits of potential interest (the list runs 19 pages)

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Oh, that's fun.

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#33398 3 months ago
 
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Quoted from toyotaboy:

Well I mean he still lives in Austin so I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the list.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jpop-update-thread%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6%e2%80%a6mg-raza-and-aiw%e2%80%a6/page/490#post-7934197

Correction: San Antonio.

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