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#4351 43 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I personally see it as goodwill on their part as it would be easier to avoid any previous designs.

Srsly, I'd bet money they do both. In a way the allready did and have to.
JPops "Designs" are not working, so they have to be mostly re-done anyway.
We've allready seen a lot of new assets for Raza and I am not too sure they keep the playfield artwork from Magic Girl, more keeping the design of the character (blue haired girl) and that's it.

We'll see...

#4352 42 days ago

I thought about taking the cash, but what I signed up for was a pinball machine. That's what I'm wanting to receive.

#4353 42 days ago

Gotta admit, I thought you guys would never get refunded.
I was wrong, and very happy to see that I was.
Great news for those involved!
Hope DR keeps moving in a positive direction.

#4354 42 days ago

Makes sense if you think about it. It would be political suicide to launch a machine with this monkey on your back. I'd venture a guess DR will be announcing games very shortly because the monkey no longer exists. Being on AIW!

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#4355 42 days ago

My friend also received his full refund today... pretty amazing!

#4356 42 days ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Really? So you’re saying if I license technology from a company that has not honored its debts to other customers, I assume legal liability for those debts?
I interpreted the settlements with Zidware customers as a PR move to cover deeproot hiring JPop and using some of his old designs without immediately alienating 3/4 of the customer base. But I’m not following your legal argument.

He bailed jpop out by making takers agree to absolve jpop and zidware of their claims.

How do you get jpop to work for you and behave how you want? You bail him out. The agreement frees up the zidware assets to be freed up to be used (transfered, etc) without future concerns,

#4357 42 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

He bailed jpop out by making takers agree to absolve jpop and zidware of their claims.
How do you get jpop to work for you and behave how you want? You bail him out. The agreement frees up the zidware assets to be freed up to be used (transfered, etc) without future concerns,

And the question certainly remains... “why???”

#4358 42 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

I thought about taking the cash, but what I signed up for was a pinball machine. That's what I'm wanting to receive.

Why not use the money from the refund to buy a machine that you can get your hands on now?

People who see the refunds as validating deep roots ability to make games, well, I disagree. Refunds simply are a transfer. A transfer to Jpop’s investors (zidware game buyers) from deeproots wealth management investors. Just another dollar owed from a big pile of dollars owed.

I’m sure people will be bitching in a wealth management forum years from now about DP was pinball doodling instead of getting 6% or better in a stock market index fund.

#4359 42 days ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

Why not use the money from the refund to buy a machine that you can get your hands on now?
People who see the refunds as validating deep roots ability to make games, well, I disagree. Refunds simply are a transfer. A transfer to Jpop’s investors (zidware game buyers) from deeproots wealth management investors. Just another dollar owed from a big pile of dollars owed.
I’m sure people will be bitching in a wealth management forum years from now about DP was pinball doodling instead of getting 6% or better in a stock market index fund.

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#4360 42 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

My friend also received his full refund today... pretty amazing!

It is very cool and nice to see. I wonder what the breakdown is between those who took cash and those who opted to wait for a machine. My gut tells me most would have taken the machine but it's likely we'll never know.

Well done, Deeproot.

#4361 42 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I think it makes a huge difference. How many other manufacturers could offer such a payment before their first production? To me, this shows they are very far from insolvent, which means we're very likely to see at least one title, possibly more.

I don't think it shows this at all. It likely means they're solvent currently, but start ups with no revenue flow established rarely have a gigantic pot of gold that will last them for years. They rely on a continuous flow of fund raising and loans.

With the kind of overheads, payroll burden and investments that Robert has talked about, it almost certainly means that financing is an ongoing job, and a very important one at that.

They could well be on the cusp of incredible things in pinball and / or gaming (or not). But that doesn't mean the whole thing won't end if the taps get turned off. That's why the length and scale of delays is potentially so bad. They look like they're going to be launching on the cusp of a major slowdown, if not outright recession. Aside from constrained demand, investors will be tightening their belts, and banks looking very carefully at their loan books. Timing, both in the market and the economic cycle are frequently make or break for many businesses.

Don't think that because they can afford this goodwill gesture it'll all be rosy. Though hopefully it will be.

#4362 42 days ago

Nice some folks got cash, but yep - still skeptical about the whole thing succeeding and games getting produced on the level of a prime pinball manufacturer.

Nothing to get excited about until a full factory line is active and churning out games.

#4363 42 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

And the question certainly remains... “why???”

Robert clearly thinks JPOP is some mastermind that just needs the right environment to produce... so he built that.

#4364 42 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Robert clearly thinks JPOP is some mastermind that just needs the right environment to produce... so he built that.

speechless.

#4365 42 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Robert clearly thinks JPOP is some mastermind that just needs the right environment to produce... so he built that.

I’m glad they did. Help or not, I love Jpops games.

#4366 42 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I’m glad they did. Help or not, I love Jpops games.

Everything seems to want to revolve around Jpop.
There are other people on the team, unless I missed the exit announcements.

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#4367 42 days ago

Much more interested in what Nordman comes up with.

Better designer

#4368 42 days ago

Praise to Deeproot for giving people their money back!,
Still Jpop would worry me as an employee, but hey .. people can change.
He makes fun games/themes.

Hope they will make great pins!
Would be good for pinball in general.

Wish they had some pics of their production lines and factory, or some more teasers.

#4369 42 days ago
Quoted from dmesserly:

Much more interested in what Nordman comes up with.
Better designer

Exactly.

#4370 42 days ago

JPOP works okay at best with a team and management, but perhaps the pressure to fulfill his deal with Robert will set him straight knowing if he screws up this time, there's no more bailouts.

#4371 42 days ago
Quoted from jorro:

Wish they had some pics of their production lines and factory, or some more teasers.

Whatever they show us, unless the games are built, playable on the show floor and ready for purchase, they can only loose when they post ANYTHING here. They allready teased much more with Raza as they said they'd do, wich may be an allowed exception, since Raza is a known title to be in their start lineup.

I still hope there will be a lineup of more then one game when they reveal the title.
But if not I'd bet my arse by now they'll have Raza ready for sale when they manage to reveal it in November.
I am not aware of their financial planning whatsoever but in general it makes more economic sense to roll out one game and generate income, then none (because you want to wait for the other 4 games you have planned for reveal). Also it'd be easier to get the line started.

#4372 41 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Everything seems to want to revolve around Jpop.
There are other people on the team, unless I missed the exit announcements.
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Who is the blurred out one in the back?

#4373 41 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Who is the blurred out one in the back?

It’s not a person. It’s part of the playfield. Check the right side of the picture, other PF’s blurred out too.

#4374 41 days ago
Quoted from djreddog:

It’s not a person. It’s part of the playfield. Check the right side of the picture, other PF’s blurred out too.

Did see that before, but your right, looks like 2 standard pf blurred side by side, and a widebody Whitewood with maybe a large area cut out toward lower pf?

#4375 41 days ago
Quoted from dmesserly:

Better designer

Exactly. They are not even in the same league. They will need people like Dennis to finish off Jpop's non functional cardboard mock-ups and make them actual playing machines; otherwise they will be working on fifteen games at the same time and releasing none.

#4376 41 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Everything seems to want to revolve around Jpop.
There are other people on the team, unless I missed the exit announcements.
[quoted image]

The discussion was on 'why bother with the zidware liabilities and jpop'.

All the people deeproot brought in besides jpop... were not tied into the zidware mess... so they aren't really relevant to the discussion.

Robert wanted to extra some value from the zidware/jpop stinkpile... reasons he's sold everyone on 'good will'... which is lawyer speak for 'pre-emptive strike'

#4377 41 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

The discussion was on 'why bother with the zidware liabilities and jpop'.
All the people deeproot brought in besides jpop... were not tied into the zidware mess... so they aren't really relevant to the discussion.
Robert wanted to extra some value from the zidware/jpop stinkpile... reasons he's sold everyone on 'good will'... which is lawyer speak for 'pre-emptive strike'

Definetly would have taken the cash!!

#4378 41 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

All the people deeproot brought in besides jpop... were not tied into the zidware mess... so they aren't really relevant to the discussion,

Last I looked this was a DeepRoot discussion thread. Not a Zidware solvency/resolution thread.

#4379 41 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Whatever they show us, unless the games are built, playable on the show floor and ready for purchase, they can only loose when they post ANYTHING here. They allready teased much more with Raza as they said they'd do, wich may be an allowed exception, since Raza is a known title to be in their start lineup.
I still hope there will be a lineup of more then one game when they reveal the title.
But if not I'd bet my arse by now they'll have Raza ready for sale when they manage to reveal it in November.
I am not aware of their financial planning whatsoever but in general it makes more economic sense to roll out one game and generate income, then none (because you want to wait for the other 4 games you have planned for reveal). Also it'd be easier to get the line started.

I know, just hoping someone sneaks in there and takes pictures of the production line
But boy the whole situation of them paying the people they prommissed is certanly looking good.

#4380 41 days ago

Seems like this last batch of releases has made used game pricing relax a bit. If Deeproot comes online used games might come into a realistic range again. For that reason alone I look forward to what they bring and hope they are successful. I am not a NIB purchaser for financial reasons but even used games are a stretch these days.

#4381 41 days ago
Quoted from dmesserly:

Much more interested in what Nordman comes up with.
Better designer

Barry Oursler...

#4382 41 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Last I looked this was a DeepRoot discussion thread. Not a Zidware solvency/resolution thread.

Doesnt Jpop work for DR? Didn't DR make a deal with former zidware customers? Seems like a good place to discuss.

#4383 41 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Doesnt Jpop work for DR? Didn't DR make a deal with former zidware customers? Seems like a good place to discuss.

Totally agree. But to suggest the other members are irrelevant to the discussion is missing the forest for the trees.

#4384 41 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Doesnt Jpop work for DR? Didn't DR make a deal with former zidware customers? Seems like a good place to discuss.

Quoted from Fulltilt:

Totally agree. But to suggest the other members are irrelevant to the discussion is missing the forest for the trees.

The problem is that the only deeproot news at the moment is JPop bailout refunds. When deeproot starts actual production on games by other designers, they'll start getting discussed as well.

#4385 41 days ago

I gotta say compared to Tesla, Deeproot is looking like quite the investment opportunity right now. Must be getting time to liquidate all that gold.

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#4386 40 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Last I looked this was a DeepRoot discussion thread. Not a Zidware solvency/resolution thread.

What's your point?

You inserted yourself in a threaded discussion on a matter without respect for the context or the discussion going on.. and now want to play topic police?

Get off your high horse... hate to break it to you, but JPOP is part of the deeproot story.. as is zidware as deeproot are looking to use material that was sourced from zidware. So yes, 'why did deeproot engage zidware customers' is part of the story and its all relevant to a deeproot conversation.

You should do more work before any 'last checks' it seems.

#4387 40 days ago
Quoted from Fulltilt:

Totally agree. But to suggest the other members are irrelevant to the discussion is missing the forest for the trees.

Relevant to deeproot - yes

Relevant to the chain of posts you inserted yourself into ignoring the rest of the posts? No

You can't cherry pick posts in isolation. Well.. you can.. and look stupid.

#4388 40 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Well.. you can.. and look stupid.

Ok, thanks. I’ve been called worse.
I don’t cherry pic. I’ve been in it from day 1.

#4389 40 days ago

I just watched a 10 minute video of magic girl. 10 minutes of just nothing exciting, no multi balls (none), crappy "repetitive" audio sounds like a 70's clown sound of a straw with water in it being blown across and lazer sounds. It's like almost everything on the pf is bash toy.
It's really the first time I've ever really looked at/into this machine. This is kind of a crappy game honestly. I sure as hell hope they're planning on redoing this machine or the value better be ~ that $5000 mark. Seriously I think Cosmic Carnival is better than this. I've always enjoyed JPOP titles but this is a real Cleveland steamer. A good looking Cleveland steamer but a steamer none the less.

#4390 40 days ago
Quoted from CLEllison:

I just watched a 10 minute video of magic girl. 10 minutes of just nothing exciting, no multi balls (none), crappy "repetitive" audio sounds like a 70's clown sound of a straw with water in it being blown across and lazer sounds. It's like almost everything on the pf is bash toy.
It's really the first time I've ever really looked at/into this machine. This is kind of a crappy game honestly. I sure as hell hope they're planning on redoing this machine or the value better be ~ that $5000 mark. Seriously I think Cosmic Carnival is better than this. I've always enjoyed JPOP titles but this is a real Cleveland steamer. A good looking Cleveland steamer but a steamer none the less.

Don't you think that the game being incomplete, as in, not even close to done, has a bearing on it being good or bad?

#4391 40 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

Don't you think that the game being incomplete, as in, not even close to done, has a bearing on it being good or bad?

Not only is it incomplete, its got shots to no where and shots that cant be made. American Pinball dumped jpoop quick, why DR stuck with him, remains to be seen.

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#4392 40 days ago

got my check on saturday, deposited it today. hats off to deeproot for holding up to their contract. i hope their games are awesome and do well. if they are good i will get one.

#4393 40 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

Don't you think that the game being incomplete, as in, not even close to done, has a bearing on it being good or bad?

Certainly can't help the cause that's for sure. But it still looks pretty uninspiring to me. I certainly hope AIW is better than that - that's the one I'm hoping for.

#4394 40 days ago
Quoted from CLEllison:

I just watched a 10 minute video of magic girl.

Link?

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#4395 40 days ago
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#4396 40 days ago
Quoted from CLEllison:

I just watched a 10 minute video of magic girl. 10 minutes of just nothing exciting, no multi balls (none), crappy "repetitive" audio sounds like a 70's clown sound of a straw with water in it being blown across and lazer sounds. It's like almost everything on the pf is bash toy.
It's really the first time I've ever really looked at/into this machine. This is kind of a crappy game honestly. I sure as hell hope they're planning on redoing this machine or the value better be ~ that $5000 mark. Seriously I think Cosmic Carnival is better than this. I've always enjoyed JPOP titles but this is a real Cleveland steamer. A good looking Cleveland steamer but a steamer none the less.

Art, Lights, Music and Callouts are amazing.

The actual game is just non-existent and broken.

JPop is a great art director. Not so much a game designer and by no way in hell a businessman.

#4398 40 days ago

When is the 1st of 5 days of deeproot now?

#4399 40 days ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

When is the 1st of 5 days of deeproot now?

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#4400 40 days ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

When is the 1st of 5 days of deeproot now?

On the first day, Deeproot created hype and it was good.

On the second day, they announced they were bringing several old designers out of retirement and it was sorta good.

On the third day, they announced they would be bringing more games to market than the rest of the industry and it was real good.

On the fourth day, they announced they would not be outdated like the rest of the industry, and it was not so good.

On the fifth day, they started sending out piles of money and again it was good.

Stay tuned for the next five days...

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