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deeproot Pinball thread


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#3451 50 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

Fall 2019 - Summer 2020
Knowing exactly when we launch is a valuable trade secret that allows competitors an undesirable competitive advantage. At a minimum, the 5 days of deeproot will be scheduled and RAZA will be available for sale during this time period.We fully intend to make good on our 2018 Pinball Expo promises we regrettably did not accomplish in 2019.

Glad they are being so specific about the time-frame...

#3452 50 days ago

Would also be nice to have a date indicating “we run out of $$$ if we have not shipped by now.”

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#3453 50 days ago

Comical.... still boasting as they wildly miss deadlines.

Know what other companies do when it gets thick? Focus... instead dp boasts about developing “tens” of pins.

Wonder if claimants lose their buyout option if they don’t take it at this deadline?

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#3454 50 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

If all we wanted to do is compete with existing pinball manufacturers and churn out the outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today,

Thank God we have all this outdated and uninspired crap to play until your games come out.

LTG : )

#3455 50 days ago
Quoted from c508:

Glad they are being so specific about the time-frame...

September 2019 - Late August of 2020, seems like a wide window , up to 15 months from today to ship their first pin!

#3456 50 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

At least he didn't charge you for using you or your likeness. Not to forget you and him delivering or setting up games.
LTG : )

My all time favorite Lloyd. Ben and Jpop were going to come to our homes for the DIY kit game and help set it all up!

Hey Ben, no offense but your "likeness" on a pin isn't something you can take to the bank

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#3457 50 days ago
Quoted from TheGunnett:

September 2019 - Late August of 2020, seems like a wide window , up to 15 months from today to ship their first pin!

Jersey Jack will have 2 more out in that time. Stern will have 4-6 more out in that time. CGC will probably have one more out in that time. American will have one more out. Spooky might have one more out in that time. That's 8-10 pins right there just waiting for deeproot to do something besides talk.

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#3458 50 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

That's 8-10 pins right there just waiting for deeproot to do something besides talk.

But those 8-10 pins will be nothing but unorganized grab-ass-tic pieces of amphibian shit!

Full Metal Jacket quotes sound better than outdated and uninspired.

LTG : )

#3459 50 days ago

"At a minimum, several RAZA prototypes will be available to play at the Houston Arcade Expo."

Better get your room reserved now.
http://www.arcadecenter.com/

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#3460 50 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

If all we wanted to do is compete with existing pinball manufacturers and churn out the outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today

Second day of business school (25 years ago) : “Never sell your product by devaluating competitors”

It looks more like you have entered panic mode, I find you way less appealing suddenly.

But sure come and save 70 years of pinball history, all of us outdated fools will gladly welcome your 26th century pinballs.

ps : It’s actually the first time ever I feel LTG is angry, this should give you a clue or two on your communication skills.

#3461 50 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

June 28, 2019

By June 28th, we will provide Zidware claimants who i) filed and perfected a claim ii) within the prescribed time, and iii) signed/returned the Goodwill Agreements a choice between extending the delivery date or receiving monetary benefits as outlined in each’s agreement. All other claimants' claims or vendors' claims will thereinafter be rejected. That is the finale and extent of our self-imposed, voluntary goodwill to deal with the Zidware situation.

TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.......

#3462 50 days ago

The pressure to release a "superior" machine has to be soul draining. Superior would be code 100% finished and bug free, no design flaws (ball traps, crap ramps or need to add additonal hardware later on). They don't dare sell a machine with anything less or the community will tear them apart. Just remember DR, the kind of pie everyone likes is humble pie.

#3463 50 days ago

"Setting up pins in your home" was John's idea. I was as shocked as everyone else when he mentioned it.

He had NO business sense, the above being a perfect example. You don't fly in Steve Jobs to service your iPhone (extreme example but not far off the mark)

Hopefully deepRoot has him in a "creative director but with a boss" position which is where he could excel one would hope.

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#3464 50 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

But those 8-10 pins will be nothing but unorganized grab-ass-tic pieces of amphibian shit!
Full Metal Jacket quotes sound better than outdated and uninspired.
LTG : )

I think most people will be happy with those 8 - 10 games. They can see them, feel them, touch them and know the games are going to turn up in their favourite arcade or at their home. People have been buying with confidence.

I really want to believe Deeproot and I wish them well. All I ever see from them is words. I take offense to their last post, the other manufacturers have been doing a pretty good job of giving us plenty of machines to play, best of new and old style games. Putting shit on the opposition is a really bad move and really bad form. It gives you a small insight into their character as people. I was already extremely reluctant to buy a game from them, after their statement I think we will be a definite no. No buyer confidence from us at all.

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#3465 50 days ago

It's certainly a snarky and oddly defensive post. First he releases teases for publicity and now seems upset people are actually talking about his company.

He should be *delighted* there is any interest in his company AT ALL as they have produced nada so far. That's fine... they can take all the time they want but why not stay positive in the meantime?

He should hire someone to make the occasional "announcement" as he is simply making them look defensive and mean spirited. Maybe his products will be so damn good he can afford to have this attitude but for now he seems like his own worst enemy... at least in the communication department.

I can empathize with how he feels. It's gotta sting to read negative or dismissive posts about a project he cares about.
At the same time he has to realize it comes with the territory and rise above it. Look at all the crap AP has taken, Spooky, etc... yet somehow they still manage to come off as professionals.

Probably not a great idea to let everyone know that you get rattled by anonymous criticism... that will just inspire certain types to keep piling on. It's not like he's been enduring a huge public beat down here in the first place

#3466 50 days ago

I think they should of stayed quiet until the actual reveal, now that would of been cool! But I guess to many big names working on it for rumours not to start

#3467 50 days ago

Robert is soon going to be challenging Mike from Homepin on being the biggest toolbag in the Pinball scene. Odd way to try to sell the world on your business. Robert sounds like he is engaging in a middle school "my dad is better than your dad" argument, but has absolutely nothing to back it up with. So everyone else just laughs at him.

#3468 50 days ago

Robert seems to have so much swagger, and so little sense.

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#3469 50 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Comical.... still boasting as they wildly miss deadlines.
Know what other companies do when it gets thick? Focus... instead dp boasts about developing “tens” of pins.
Wonder if claimants lose their buyout option if they don’t take it at this deadline?

Comical, mixing up Deeproot and Dutch Pinball who 'focused' on one machine to their full success... Oh, wait.

Edit: Such a good sport.

#3470 50 days ago

3 types of companies exist

Product Oriented
Client Focus
Logistics

Deeproot is Product Oriented? They sure are not Client Focus or Logistics.

They can have the attitude, but with that comes an increased expectation from us.

I'm still burnt by Jpoop suing and screwing some of us.

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#3471 50 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Still using the jpop book of how to sucker people... throw in some art teases...

That darn pictures, always so visual...

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#3472 50 days ago
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#3473 50 days ago

"pinball is easy"

"pinball is easy, sometime soon, honestly, please believe us, hahaha we're laughing at you!"

maybe they should focus on building games rather than reading what folks are posting about them!

#3474 50 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

A statement will also be made as to the launch date of deeproot. A date we’ve spent a lot of time ensuring will be met this time.

Fall 2019 - Summer 2020

Way to go out on a limb with your "valuable trade secret"...

#3475 50 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

tens of titles

This doesn't make sense. No one does this, and by "no one" I mean every company in every industry - for a reason.

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#3476 50 days ago

At least they changed their "view from the toilet" logo...

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#3477 49 days ago
Quoted from LTG:

Thank God we have all this outdated and uninspired crap to play until your games come out.
LTG : )

Herein lies one of the underlying issues we've seen so far with Deeproot. Their contempt for the existing products reflects on those of us who buy games. In essence, they are saying, 'this stuff is crap so we are all morons for wasting our money on uninspired crap'. By and large people don't like to be told "you are an idiot....now buy this from me"

#3478 49 days ago

We can never know about the days to come
But we think about them anyway
And I wonder if I'm really with you now
Or just chasin' after some finer day

Anticipation, anticipation
Is makin' me late
Is keepin' me waitin'

#3479 49 days ago

I posted this about deeproot pinball this morning, focussing on what it meant from a UK perspective, already out of date.

http://www.theukpinballclub.co.uk/news/deeproot-pinball-whats-it-all-about/

#3480 49 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:I think they will start shipping in October. So I won't take you up on the $100 but I'll bet you $50 that they will ship before December 2019.

Boy was I stupid.

#3481 49 days ago

Deeproot has months of radio silence and you guys complain and speculate. They put out information and the same posters complain and speculate. Stay classy pinside.

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#3482 49 days ago
Quoted from vicjw66:

Boy was I stupid.

Haha. Not stupid. If we don’t make Dec 31 and you have to pay up I’ll cover you Send me a bill.

Quoted from JamesUK:

I posted this about deeproot pinball this morning, focussing on what it meant from a UK perspective, already out of date.
http://www.theukpinballclub.co.uk/news/deeproot-pinball-whats-it-all-about/

Thank you for the write-up.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

maybe they should focus on building games rather than reading what folks are posting about them!

Actually Jeff and I had a great time playing RAZA and a few other games the other day. Can’t play games that haven’t been built, now can we? And no, I spend as little time as possible reading anything on this forum. Let alone taking it or anything posted seriously.

Quoted from Rondogg:

At least they changed their... logo...[quoted image]

My Utah creatives are pretty amazing right?

Quoted from russdx:

I think they should of stayed quiet until the actual reveal, now that would of been cool! But I guess to many big names working on it for rumours not to start

We needed to make an announcement regarding Zidware. Only made sense to address launch expectations. Don’t worry, but for the drama around Jpopalicious I would have rathered that no one knew that deeproot had anything to do with pinball.

Quoted from LTG:

Thank God we have all this outdated and uninspired crap to play until your games come out.
LTG : )

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...

— Robert dT

#3483 49 days ago
Quoted from Chalkey:

Deeproot has months of radio silence and you guys complain and speculate. They put out information and the same posters complain and speculate. Stay classy pinside.

You mean DR put out a back-handed statement while insulting their potential customers? A statement to the likeness of "We're sorry we made such bold and outlandish promises we didn't keep in the beginning, but we promise the wait is worth it!" would go a lot farther than that tone-deaf pile of words they went with.

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#3484 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...
— Robert dT

You have quite possibly the worst luck out of any pinball machine owner I have ever encountered, or your engineers are not very good. It sounds to me like you guys messed up your "test" machines during the reverse engineering process, and now want to blame the manufacturer. Rebooting/Problems turning on are not exactly common issues.

#3485 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Haha. Not stupid. If we don’t make Dec 31 and you have to pay up I’ll cover you Send me a bill.

Thank you for the write-up.

Actually Jeff and I had a great time playing RAZA and a few other games the other day. Can’t play games that haven’t been built, now can we? And no, I spend as little time as possible reading anything on this forum. Let alone taking it or anything posted seriously.

My Utah creatives are pretty amazing right?

We needed to make an announcement regarding Zidware. Only made sense to address launch expectations. Don’t worry, but for the drama around Jpopalicious I would have rathered that no one knew that deeproot had anything to do with pinball.

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...
— Robert dT

What a tool! Have fun dicking around with JPOOP and not making games.

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#3486 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Haha. Not stupid. If we don’t make Dec 31 and you have to pay up I’ll cover you Send me a bill.

Thank you for the write-up.

Actually Jeff and I had a great time playing RAZA and a few other games the other day. Can’t play games that haven’t been built, now can we? And no, I spend as little time as possible reading anything on this forum. Let alone taking it or anything posted seriously.

My Utah creatives are pretty amazing right?

We needed to make an announcement regarding Zidware. Only made sense to address launch expectations. Don’t worry, but for the drama around Jpopalicious I would have rathered that no one knew that deeproot had anything to do with pinball.

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...
— Robert dT

I want to root for you, but you are making it difficult.

#3487 49 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

You have quite possibly the worst luck out of any pinball machine owner I have ever encountered, or your engineers are not very good. It sounds to me like you guys messed up your "test" machines during the reverse engineering process, and now want to blame the manufacturer. Rebooting/Problems turning on are not exactly common issues.

No kidding! I've been in the pinball hobby for about 9 years now, have owned about 25 different machines, and in all of that time have had fewer major issues than the ones he just mentioned.

I really hope deeproot puts out a quality, fun, economical product...but it is really hard to like the company with someone condescending and arrogant as the spokesperson (and at the helm).

Anyone who accepted the goodwill terms and doesn't take the money is silly (being nice *coughstupidcough*). Use the money to buy a different game now, play it for a year or more, then sell it to buy a deeproot machine.

#3488 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff?

Sounds like you hired the wrong engineers. Sounds like even if you didn't, that they have the wrong priorities.

Actually, the entire quoted statement above sounds completely fabricated.

Sigh... and I was silently rooting for you, Robert.

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#3489 49 days ago

Ah, the good old tire fire has been lit back up.

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#3490 49 days ago

deeproot as I said in my post, it'll be ready when it's ready, if something comes of it, we are all welcoming of the competition, for purely the economics of pinball. I did contact your team and ask for some details on what deeproot were doing for the U.K. - even just confirmation that there was a plan for it, any feedback on the U.K specifically would be great, you have my email from earlier.

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#3491 49 days ago
Quoted from pin2d:

If all we wanted to do is compete with existing pinball manufacturers and churn out the outdated and uninspired pinball package as it exists in the market today, it would have been a much easier path and accomplished years ago.

I call utter bullshit. Quit blowing smoke up our collective asses. Zip it, boys...and focus on bringing out a *single* solid freaking machine or video game...or whatever it is you might (or might not) be doing. In the meantime, I will continue to play uninspired and outdated pinball.

How insulting to the hard work and dedication of the current pinball manufacturers and designers who are actually *producing* machines and not milking the "we're going to be so awesome" teat!

#3492 49 days ago

To be fair the reverse hockey stick approach to business is pretty well documented, and companies that have utilised this model generally are large scale disruptors and completely change an industry, of course for every Amazon, Uber etc. there are many more that fall by the wayside, but it is an approach to innovation. Could we see a switch be flicked and 3 games in the market, all with huge innovations and all at a price point that makes us salivate? Yes... I suppose we could and that would change the pinball community more than quite considerably. What market share would that command straight off the bat?

#3493 49 days ago

Is it deepshit pinball ? They need the CEO from twisted pins on board then this company can run smooth and meet deadlines !

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#3494 49 days ago

There are some talented and nice people working for Deeproot. Robert: did you ever ask your employees how they feel about your communication to the pinball-community? Maybe they can give you some feedback.

#3495 49 days ago
Quoted from Rondogg:

At least they changed their "view from the toilet" logo...[quoted image]

Who is their graphic designer!?

#3496 49 days ago
Quoted from JodyG:

Robert is soon going to be challenging Mike from Homepin on being the biggest toolbag in the Pinball scene.

Come on, that's a massive stretch. Robert could punch my mother and it's still Mike from Home(ophobic)pin in a landslide.

#3497 49 days ago
Quoted from TheGunnett:

September 2019 - Late August of 2020, seems like a wide window , up to 15 months from today to ship their first pin!

Yes, I was being

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#3498 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Jpopalicious

So tone deaf. You really need to be working with a PR firm. Seriously, the things that come out of your head should not be sent directly to an open forum without some kind of 3rd party filter. You may think it's funny or maybe you're trolling but it really doesn't come off well when the head of a company (who wants our money) posts things like this. Could you imagine the negative repercussions if Amazon hired Bernie Madoff as CFO and then referred to him as "Berniebaby" while addressing the public?

You really need to reign it in. I was growing ambivalent about the JPop situation in light of what you were offering to his victims. Not any more.

#3499 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

You mean like a GB that won’t turn on half the time, the two brand new premium Batman 66’s I bought that are already more dimpled than the moon and with broken mechs already, a Hobbit that’s been dead for months, a Dialed In with constant sound and rebooting problems, and a TNA with so many problems that it has kept my eningeers from engineering on deeproot stuff? Playing and maintaining a deeproot game is pretty refreshing for me thus far...
— Robert dT

What are you doing to your pinball machines that every single one has major problems. Or if you're inferring this is the norm, it's amazing how many people spend money on buying machines that never work.

#3500 49 days ago
Quoted from deeproot:

And no, I spend as little time as possible reading anything on this forum. Let alone taking it or anything posted seriously.

Wow! I count myself among those silently hoping Deeproot is successful. Not sure I feel that way any more reading things like this. If you’re trying to alienate your target customer base you’re doing a great job. Such a tone deaf statement from a CEO.

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