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#33051 8 months ago

Just read the first few pages of A-2 to help me better understand the amazing clips BBJ made for us. It looks like those are from a Scott Allen who with another person helped bring in assets to the funds side of things. “32 million” was in there a few times so my understanding is that is the value of the insurance policies they had in their possession early on. Either way, the fund side of things is more this guy’s area of understanding. Reading about his perception of seeing the pinball side of things, even he saw that pinball has a pretty extended development time up front and it takes a while to get to a point where you have something to sell.

#33052 8 months ago

One thing with the pinball side of things... is there anything indicating the SEC is aware of or documenting all of the money that Robert threw at TPF sponsoring things? Travel to pinball events? Etc. There were years of non-R&D spend that occurred prior to anything resembling a 'reveal' of sorts.

I have a hard time believing that would be considered an operating expense when you had literally nothing to market. No product to tie it to. It just seems like a vanity spend.

#33053 8 months ago

I'm hoping that since he hasn't been charged criminally and arrested yet, some new law emerges which makes life more difficult for him. In fed system, it's the date your arrested which starts the clock and determines the law your under. Federal sentencing laws and terms of supervised release can change and become effective on Oct 1 of each year. Be great if he screwed himself in the long run by slow playing everything.

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#33054 8 months ago

Excerpts from Exhibit A-3.

This is another funds guy, and it covers a lot of similar ground to A-2. There are dozens of pages of tortured attempts by the defense to pretzel the deposed to say that the finances were handled properly, and the SEC attorney objects to pretty much every question. So you'll have to read the original doc if you're into that stuff because it doesn't lend itself to snippet-ing.

I'll note this is the first of multiple exhibits that mentions church-connected relationships with hiring and investments (like the car wash). This is stuff I opted not to report last year because I didn't want people to use it to attack Robert's religion, since some have previously ridiculed him on that front

And I still don't want people to do that. I think it would be unfair. People of all kinds of faiths (and no faiths at all) can do scummy things.

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#33055 8 months ago

When Robert approached Spooky back in 2015 his sales predictions for RAZA, MG, other non-licensed theme etc were insane. I really wish I'd have kept his deck. It was a major red flag, one of many. He actually thought stuff like RAZA would sell like 4k units.

I think, in his mind, the games would sell really well so all the money would "end up back in the cookie jar" and it wouldn't be a problem that it ever left. Like when Paulie spent all Rockey's money while he was in Russia.

We also have to take into account that Robert is crazy.

#33056 8 months ago

Don’t all ponzi schemers think somehow they’ll find a way out?

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#33057 8 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Flynn
I'm not certain the reason for your post quoting me. I agree with you and my meaning was basicly the same, only in far fewer words.

I don't know how to read these lines as anything but criticizing those who were calling out employees for riding things out in silence..

"And yet gossip was set forth, and believed, that Steve Bowden should have known and he should have said something.
The same thing happened (in this thread) with Ben Heck after his brief association with JPOP.
Man, there's a lot of people that should be ashamed of themselves for originating, spreading and believing that shit."

You call it gossip, and saying people should be ashamed of themselves for 'believing that shit' - as if this testimoney shows that even someone closer to Robert couldn't pin it down.

I disagree with that. The testimony is from someone who didn't act beyond leaving - not that the critics were wrong or that the signs weren't there for most to see.

#33058 7 months ago

Crickets...

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#33059 7 months ago

I've been too busy to go through the rest of the exhibits from the Mueller response. If anyone has the time, there's a lot more in there.

#33060 7 months ago

This seems related.. podcast that interviews an investigator talking about the guy that ran FTX and lost 8 billion dollars of invested money

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#33061 7 months ago

Wow! Who knew it would ever come to all this.

I remember when I had big hopes for them.

Quoted from o-din:

Those that invested with them in insurance funds and not pinball funds are going to feel pretty shortchanged when all this starts to take off and the big profits start rolling in.

#33062 7 months ago
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#33064 7 months ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

In the beginning of all this, I just thought he was stupid, then I realized he was a crook, now I see that he was actually a stupid crook.

Took this long?

#33065 7 months ago

Who's dupe account was this TreyBong420?

#33066 7 months ago

The cat is already out of the bag, so I'll post it.

I really liked and respected him, and I already miss his contributions. He was smart, helpful and funny.

He was primarily even keeled on Pinside, unlike myself, and someone I could learn from.

Nobody will give a shit in 5 minutes, but I consider him a Pinside loss.

Kim
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#33067 7 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

The cat is already out of the bag, so I'll post it.
I really liked and respected him, and I already miss his contributions. He was smart, helpful and funny.
He was primarily even keeled on Pinside, unlike myself, and someone I could learn from.
Nobody will give a shit in 5 minutes, but I consider him a Pinside loss.
Kim
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Why did he split?

#33068 7 months ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Why did he split?

Probably like the song says-

"You can't please everyone..."

(excerpt from Garden Party by Ricky Nelson)

#33069 7 months ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Why did he split?

Deactivated his account because wanted a break. Can't reactivate until 30 days have passed. Created separate account in the meantime and posted acknowledging it was him. Which led to pinside shutting that account down. He can reactivate the old one in 30 - n days (where n his however many days it's already been since his initial reaction). I told him to see that he returns because we value his shitposting.

#33071 7 months ago

Ok, figured that's who it was, but didn't realize why he was gone. Didn't come off as the d0n or special K type.

#33072 7 months ago

There were some random people walking around at Newcastle Pinfest the other week handing those little stickers out

#33073 7 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Who's dupe account was this TreyBong420?

More like “dope” account amirite, heh.

#33074 7 months ago

That's JPOP all right. I wonder who he's suckered in this time.

Christ. Would somebody just make an Alice in Wonderland pin with Jeremy art and sexual overtones so we realize we don't need John?

#33075 7 months ago

Popadiuk derangement syndrome?

According to Kaneda and Knapparcade, the mystery game is likely to be, Labyrinth.
https://www.knapparcade.org/post/is-the-theme-for-the-mystery-pinball-company-s-upcoming-game-david-bowie-s-movie-labrynth

#33076 7 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Popadiuk derangement syndrome?
According to Kaneda and Knapparcade, the mystery game is likely to be, Labyrinth.
https://www.knapparcade.org/post/is-the-theme-for-the-mystery-pinball-company-s-upcoming-game-david-bowie-s-movie-labrynth

Sounds like a HomePin title…

#33077 7 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

Would somebody just make an Alice in Wonderland pin with Jeremy art and sexual overtones so we realize we don't need John?

Yes! Yes! Yes! But refrain from implementing an annoying flow obstructive toy or jenky lackluster skill shot. And if not too much to ask doable ramp shots.
AIW is so long overdue - and definitely deserves a deviant art approach to it.

#33078 7 months ago
Quoted from CLEllison:

AIW is so long overdue - and definitely deserves a deviant art approach to it.

It’s taken me three years to learn most of these acronyms but I can honestly say AIW has already been done. How about AWL? Kinda fitting if JPop has anything to do with it…

#33079 7 months ago
Quoted from LORDDREK:

It’s taken me three years to learn most of these acronyms but I can honestly say AIW has already been done. How about AWL? Kinda fitting if JPop has anything to do with it…

Well it’s been a long weekend. I deserve some berating for thinking Infinity Wars was AIQ for one brief moment. I still like my Wonderland acronym though…

#33080 7 months ago
Quoted from LORDDREK:AIW has already been done

They could always call it ATTLG...

Although, technically, it'd be "TTLGAWAFT", except AIW was technically "AAIW"... Who said pinball was easy?

#33081 7 months ago
Quoted from LORDDREK:

Well it’s been a long weekend. I deserve some berating for thinking Infinity Wars was AIQ for one brief moment. I still like my Wonderland acronym though…

#33082 7 months ago

SEC response is due today. Guessing the TL;DR of it will be along the lines of "Everything that guy just said is bullshit. Thank you."

#33083 7 months ago

So should I be expecting a refund soon?

#33084 7 months ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Deactivated his account because wanted a break. Can't reactivate until 30 days have passed. Created separate account in the meantime and posted acknowledging it was him.

That's like an alcoholic throwing away his ID, then getting a fake ID to buy booze because the DMV takes too long. I guess we're all addicts here.

#33085 7 months ago
Quoted from yancy:

That's like an alcoholic throwing away his ID, then getting a fake ID to buy booze because the DMV takes too long. I guess we're all addicts here.

He's not the first one to do that.

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#33086 7 months ago

Wake up, SEC reply just dropped:

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#33087 7 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Wake up, SEC reply just dropped:
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Boom!

Quite a response there. Can you add the full pdf?

One surprising thing in what they're saying is that investors were not even actually investing in the claimed investment of insurance policies, but rather just giving money another one of Mueller's companies named "Life Insurance Policies". Yet again, fooling investors in regards to what they're actually getting. Yikes.

#33088 7 months ago

See filings 110 and 111 here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60223430/securities-and-exchange-commission-v-mueller/

I'm going through and downloading all the files one by one, but they're also automatically uploaded to courtlistener.com - someone can upload the PDFs.

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Basically my take away from this paragraph is -- if you want to cover your ass for something shady happening at work: make a copy, send a copy to HR, and send a copy to your boss.

#33089 7 months ago

Let us never forget that the Deeproot empire was built on the foundational support... of Quickbooks... and a part time contract accountant. Thats all you need! Breaking Bad level stuff here.

#33090 7 months ago

Complete SEC response (document 110), appendix, testimony exhibits, and a documents exhibit. The last exhibit is compressed down from an 18MB file. Still readable, but may be a little fuzzy.

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#33091 7 months ago

Response from SEC asking the court to overrule Mueller's objections and deny his motion to strike the SEC's motion for summary judgement.

Files include the response, the appendix, and 3 exhibits

gov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.0.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.0.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.1.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.1.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.2.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.2.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.4.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.4.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.3.pdfgov.uscourts.txwd.1144501.111.3.pdf
#33092 7 months ago

A cursory read through of the SEC responses leads me to believe that this will all be over soon and in the hands of the DOJ.

#33093 7 months ago
Quoted from sgtski1978:

A cursory read through of the SEC responses leads me to believe that this will all be over soon and in the hands of the DOJ.

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#33094 7 months ago

Some highlights--looks like the SEC is placing pretty much the whole mess at Mueller's feet

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#33095 7 months ago

I'm not sure why I'm shocked that Mueller lied in court but here I am. This is just proof (as if any more was needed) that this guy is a first-grade a-hole dirt merchant that feels zero remorse for his actions. First class narcissism on full display. I hope he gets the book thrown at him and kicked in the nads.

#33096 7 months ago
Quoted from sgtski1978:

SEC response is due today. Guessing the TL;DR of it will be along the lines of "Everything that guy just said is bullshit. Thank you."

Nailed it!

"Robert Mueller’s Response to the Securities and Exchange Commission’s (“SEC” or “Commission”) Motion for Summary Judgment (“Mueller’s Response,” cited herein as “Resp.,” Dkt. 108, 108-1 to 108-19),1 fails to identify any genuine disputes of material fact. Instead, Mueller manufactures questions of fact where none exist by making self-serving statements unsupported by the record or applying flawed legal interpretations"

#33097 7 months ago
Quoted from RCA1:

Instead, Mueller manufactures questions of fact where none exist by making self-serving statements unsupported by the record or applying flawed legal interpretations"

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#33098 7 months ago

Mueller's defense seems to hinge completely on the idea he was allowed to take compensation... yet doesn't counter any of the SEC's points about how being entitled to compensation doesn't sanitize the type of transfers he made, nor his conflicting language between what was told to others vs his actions.

The great news is that by insisting Mueller alone hold all the keys to the vault, and the only one allowed to make spending decisions -- he pretty much guarantees all liability for those choices are his own.

#33099 7 months ago

Mueller's defense basically boils down:

1. If it wasn't for that meddling SEC, I would've made millions selling RAZA and would be able to put money back in the piggy bank before anyone knew it was gone!
2. Also, all that evidence that makes me look bad should not be admitted.

SEC's counter is:
1. Hey buddy, there has been no mention of pinball in any of this - your business structure has been fraud from the get go!

Anyway, not a lawyer - but there are several avenues here:

1. Summary judgment in full
2. Summary judgment in part, jury trial for rest
3. Summary judgment denied, jury trial

My guess is probably #2 will happen

We have no idea when the ruling on the summary judgment will happen, but according to filing #102:

1. Various pre-trial motions due October 26, 2023
2. Join pre-trial motions Nov 3, 2023
3. Final conference Nov 16, 2023
4. Jury trial Dec 4, 2023

Maybe we'll be able to dial into the trial? Otherwise people can go in person!

#33100 7 months ago

Is the trial going to be televised?

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