Quoted from Keylime:Could someone help me understand why this thread is still getting posts?
Cause its the most interesting pinball related thread, minus actual pinball machines.
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Quoted from Keylime:Could someone help me understand why this thread is still getting posts?
A deficiency of fiber in my diet
Honolulu, HI
Quoted from TreyBo69:I was reading this and thought of my favorite bumbling criminal
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/dc-solar-power-ponzi-scheme-scandal/673782/
Interesting read!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Skimmed thru it. It's the same old bullshit story as always.
It really is amazing how similar these ALWAYS are. They are just different in window dressing, size of the scam, and who's getting ripped off.
Somewhere, there's someone typing "Yeah he stole billions of dollars from private companies and taxpayers...but he clearly INTENDED to create a solar energy revolution! It wasn't a ponzi!"
Are we sure DR was planning to build 120 machines or did they just sell their one prototype machine to 120 different customers feeling no need to build the rest ?
Quoted from Keylime:Could someone help me understand why this thread is still getting posts?
Because just like Retro Atomic Zombies, it will never die.
Quoted from Beechwood:Because just like Retro Atomic Zombies, it will never die.
Nor will GWJ breadcrumbs!
Quoted from vdojaq:Nor will GWJ breadcrumbs!
Lots of people in the background that may do something with this!
Quoted from Roostking:Lots of people in the background that may do something with this!
Or not.
Halifax, NS
The breadbox is empty towards Deeproot Pinball. My other breadcrumbs towards more players entering pinball manufacturing was double what I was saying in the past. But you guys can continue on with what ever you want to believe or not! I got some Deeproot Pinball coils from Pinball Life, to go along with the load at the shop from our biggest operator who is down sizing.
IMG_0421 (resized).JPGQuoted from blueberryjohnson:Interesting read!
Same here - enjoyed the article.
Maybe if DC Solar had incorporated a PinBar of sorts or utilized quad/octo manufacturing they could have really pulled it off.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:The breadbox is empty towards Deeproot Pinball. My other breadcrumbs towards more players entering pinball manufacturing was double what I was saying in the past. But you guys can continue on with what ever you want to believe or not! I got some Deeproot Pinball coils from Pinball Life, to go along with the load at the shop from our biggest operator who is down sizing.
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Whoo hoo!
94F322BA-89B8-4987-8A1A-BD8541EB345C.gifIt’s haaaapppening!
My guess is this will go to trial - not because there’s a snowball’s chance in hell Robert will win, but because he thinks he didn’t do anything wrong.
Quoted from Inside:It’s haaaapppening!
My guess is this will go to trial - not because there’s a snowball’s chance in hell Robert will win, but because he thinks he didn’t do anything wrong.
That's my inclination too. However, I'm wondering if his lawyer doesn't talk sense into him at the 11th hour / last opportunity to cut a deal (the date for that is in the above doc) and he relents.
But in case that does not happen, circle your calendars
Screenshot 2023-05-12 at 12.52.39 PM (resized).pngQuoted from Keylime:Could someone help me understand why this thread is still getting posts?
Because you touch yourself at night. 
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:That's my inclination too. However, I'm wondering if his lawyer doesn't talk sense into him at the 11th hour / last opportunity to cut a deal (the date for that is in the above doc) and he relents.
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If not talking sense into Robert, at least letting him know he can't afford to go to trial.
My thought is this will end in mediation, and the DoJ will be right there to swoop in with a subpoena for the next day of deeproot pinball.
Quoted from sgtski1978:If not talking sense into Robert, at least letting him know he can't afford to go to trial.
My thought is this will end in mediation, and the DoJ will be right there to swoop in with a subpoena for the next day of deeproot pinball.
Would certainly be interesting!
With all the hubbub about JJP and Harry Potter, surprised Robert never intimated deeproot would or did obtain that license.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:With all the hubbub about JJP and Harry Potter, surprised Robert never intimated deeproot would or did obtain that license.
Copyright enforcement is pretty agressive on something like Harry Potter. That would get shut down hard in an instant, and even Robert wasn't dumb enough to try a scam like that.
Quoted from RCA1:Copyright enforcement is pretty agressive on something like Harry Potter. That would get shut down hard in an instant, and even Robert wasn't dumb enough to try a scam like that.
Agreed, Robert only picked on easy targets like the elderly, eagerly awaiting their deaths to cash out.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:That's my inclination too. However, I'm wondering if his lawyer doesn't talk sense into him at the 11th hour / last opportunity to cut a deal (the date for that is in the above doc) and he relents.
But in case that does not happen, circle your calendars[quoted image]
From what I understand, all the SEC can do is take some administrative action and recommend prosecution by the DOJ, as well as fine a person or entity. The SEC is a civil and administrative court, not a criminal court. What incentive does the defendant have to settle? The SEC can say they will recommend no fine, but the DOJ (thru sentencing judge) can fine him as well so thats not a real benefit. The only thing I can come up with is the SEC and the DOJ could agree to recommend a signature bond for the defendant at arraignment after the criminal indictment is unsealed. Agreeing to release on signature bond means he is guaranteed to eat better and have better access to fight his impending indictment (criminal case).
The reason parties settle is because they each get something out of the deal. The defendant has no incentive right now. That would change with the unsealing of an indictment, but until then, why settle?
Quite possible the DOJ applies pressure at some point in the near future. There could be many reasons why the DOJ hasn't stepped in yet. There's the truck case with the 50 plus dead immigrants who died within this district. National cases often take priority. Whatever the reason, I hope the asswipe gets indicted soon.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Will this be the most innovative mediation in the history of pinball litigation?
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Things are about to go opaque. From the SEC website:
“The mediation process is private and confidential. Both the parties and the mediator are prohibited from disclosing and using any information obtained or disclosed during the mediation as evidence in any other arbitration or lawsuit.”
Any legal gurus have thoughts on what a typical settlement would be in this kind of scenario? What's the SEC likely to go for in a mediation?
Obviously Robert wants to see charges reduced or dropped, but what's the SEC going to try and get out of a mediation? Does the SEC's strategy change from what it would have been without a Magistrate mediator? As jamesmc said:
Quoted from jamesmc:all the SEC can do is take some administrative action and recommend prosecution by the DOJ,
...can they still recommend prosecution to the DOJ if the mediation makes this confidential? Is the confidential mediation a way for Robert to avoid the civil case with the SEC from influencing his criminal case? Am I mis-remembering that there's a criminal case waiting for when the civil one is done?
"...Is it cold in France? Do these vans get good gas mileage?"
Quoted from JStoltz:Any legal gurus have thoughts on what a typical settlement would be in this kind of scenario? What's the SEC likely to go for in a mediation?
Obviously Robert wants to see charges reduced or dropped, but what's the SEC going to try and get out of a mediation? Does the SEC's strategy change from what it would have been without a Magistrate mediator? As jamesmc said:...can they still recommend prosecution to the DOJ if the mediation makes this confidential? Is the confidential mediation a way for Robert to avoid the civil case with the SEC from influencing his criminal case? Am I mis-remembering that there's a criminal case waiting for when the civil one is done?
"...Is it cold in France? Do these vans get good gas mileage?"
Depends on bloberts political leanings.
Per that last doc: "Counsel and parties shall proceed in a good faith effort to try to resolve this case"
Is that even remotely likely? What's the SEC going to do, say: "Ok Robert, if we can just hear you admit that you're a big ol' doofus, we'll get outta your hair and call it even."
How might someone "settle" with the SEC? Is it possible he'll just agree to pay some fines and then the SEC exits stage left?
Mediation likely will mean fines, some sort of restitution, permanent ban from ever dealing in securities, and because of all of that maybe losing his law license as well depending on TX bar rules. From there DOJ gets its shot.
I don’t see Robert fighting this much. He’s got to pay for these lawyers, his Bk lawyers, and his criminal defense lawyers. Dudes going to be bleeding money for quite some time and a settlement at least stems the flow.
Quoted from JStoltz:Any legal gurus have thoughts on what a typical settlement would be in this kind of scenario? What's the SEC likely to go for in a mediation?
Obviously Robert wants to see charges reduced or dropped, but what's the SEC going to try and get out of a mediation? Does the SEC's strategy change from what it would have been without a Magistrate mediator? As jamesmc said:...can they still recommend prosecution to the DOJ if the mediation makes this confidential? Is the confidential mediation a way for Robert to avoid the civil case with the SEC from influencing his criminal case? Am I mis-remembering that there's a criminal case waiting for when the civil one is done?
"...Is it cold in France? Do these vans get good gas mileage?"
From my experience with the DOJ, (as a criminal defendant, not an attorney) the US Attorney in that district can do whatever the hell he wants. Charge him with quite a bit from what I've read. He doesn't need a recommendation from anyone. Only person above a US Attorney is Attorney General, who doesn't oversee this type of case. It appeared to me that David Haase or whatever the guy's name is that was sent there to help is usually a DOJ prosecutor. I believe he's there to prepare for a criminal prosecution.
Quoted from sgtski1978:Mediation likely will mean fines, some sort of restitution, permanent ban from ever dealing in securities, and because of all of that maybe losing his law license as well depending on TX bar rules. From there DOJ gets its shot.
I don’t see Robert fighting this much. He’s got to pay for these lawyers, his Bk lawyers, and his criminal defense lawyers. Dudes going to be bleeding money for quite some time and a settlement at least stems the flow.
I can't speak for his deal with the attorneys he's hired for this case, but when hiring an attorney for a federal criminal indictment, you generally pay up front. The attorney is paid full amount whether there is a plea agreement or it goes to trial. I don't get the feel he's paying by the hour, but thats just my opinion.
Quoted from sgtski1978:...that maybe losing his law license as well depending on TX bar rules...
If that would happen, then I guess Ben Heck could finally say "Robert, don't give legal advice, you're not a lawyer."
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:A new judge enters the storyline and takes quick action.
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Never mess with a woman who shortens Elizabeth to Betsy, they don't take any shit.
Quoted from benheck:Has Robert tried the Elizabeth Holmes "squirt out a bunch of kids" defense yet?
At least one.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:At least one.
Hes working the "ex wives I need to feed" . Probably wont work.
Quoted from Roostking:Hes working the "ex wives I need to feed" . Probably wont work.
Plus, those mail-order brides require more expensive dining options. Food trucks don't cut it.
I distinctly remember Robert asking a judge if he could end a call early to tend to his newborn. The judge was annoyed and told him to STFU…
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Here's how Betsy Chestney's meditation will roll on June 20th behind closed doors. Interesting doc. Bet it will be an interesting day.
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"The proposed [mediation] settlement agreement should include all terms; however, the parties can use a ***blank line*** to indicate those terms that remain in dispute."
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***We did Haikus, we did pet photos, we even photoshopped progressively smaller Mueller heads sprouting out of the central head in a sort of perverted sociopathic fractal... I think it's high time for deeproot vs SEC madlibs!! Thanks, ChatGPT!
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Once upon a time, in the bustling city of San Antonio, a dispute of [adjective] proportions unfolded between the [occupation] named Robert Mueller and the formidable SEC. The conflict arose from a [adjective] issue that threatened to shake the very foundations of [industry or sector].
The mediation process began with both Robert Mueller and the SEC presenting their arguments, each side passionately advocating for their version of events. Robert Mueller, armed with their [adjective] [noun], articulated the alleged wrongdoings and argued for justice to be served. On the other hand, the SEC, with their [adjective] [noun], emphasized the importance of [verb ending in -ing] the [noun] and [verb ending in -ing] [noun].
The mediator, a [adjective] and [adjective] soul named [Mediator's Name], listened intently to both sides, carefully weighing their words. [Mediator's Name] understood the gravity of the situation and the potential consequences of their decision. The mediator's goal was not only to find a resolution but also to restore [noun] and [noun] between the parties.
Through [adjective] negotiation and [noun], a [noun] was finally achieved. Robert Mueller and the SEC agreed on a [adjective] settlement that aimed to [verb] [noun] while ensuring [noun] for any [noun]. The terms of the settlement included a combination of [adjective] [noun], [adjective] [noun] measures, and [adjective] [noun] initiatives to promote [adjective] [noun].
With the agreement reached, Robert Mueller and the SEC emerged from mediation with a newfound [noun] for one another. They realized that by [verb ending in -ing] together, they could create a [adjective] and [adjective] [noun] for Pinball-kind.
The tale of Robert Mueller and the SEC's mediation became a [noun] shared among [noun] for generations to come.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Can you feed that back into ChatGPT and ask it to fill out a few funny ones?
.....or Crazy Levi.... 
2 weeks later
Looks like a new "Notice of ADR/Mediation Outcome" document dropped for the case today- anyone have access? Based on the name of the document and the timing, it seems like it will indicate whether they were able to settle the case (or not).
Quoted from ufotofu:Looks like a new "Notice of ADR/Mediation Outcome" document dropped for the case today- anyone have access? Based on the name of the document and the timing, it seems like it will indicate whether they were able to settle the case (or not).
SEC-99-2023.06.21.pdfI mean... this is the same person who claimed to be smarter than everyone in the entire history of the pinball industry. I'm sure he thinks he's got it all figured out.
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