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Zidware Pinball USA, 2013
Celts
Haggis, 2021
Magic Girl
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Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2012
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Arcade Edition)
Deeproot, 2020
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Xtra Edition)
Deeproot, 2020Quoted from metallik:Pretty much. I bought one of his SG playfields, it was nice and I had a good opinion of his business acumen back then. These last few months... yeesh, you really gotta stop drinking and posting, John.
Actually, it's fine if he keeps drinking...it's his posting that is the problem.
Maybe the guy who built the Sonic Spinball machine would take $100,000 for his game (or any of the other one off homebrew games). A much better investment...
Quoted from brucipher:Maybe the guy who built the Sonic Spinball machine would take $100,000 for his game (or any of the other one off homebrew games). A much better investment...
nope.. someone has the pinball license and its not AP. they are going to wait out the license to see if that company actually follows through with a game.
Quoted from Medisinyl:8 - "The origin of the cipher is biblical."
I just came here to post that.
Quoted from Medisinyl:8 - "The origin of the cipher is biblical."
Maybe?
https://www.theology.ox.ac.uk/article/crack-the-code
"It is a simple substitution code, where the first letter of the alphabet (א alef) is replaced by the last (ת taw), the second letter (ב bet) by the second last (ש sin or shin) etc. The name 'atbash' refers to the first letters of the names of these Hebrew characters: alef, taw, bet and shin"
Quoted from JStoltz:Maybe?
https://www.theology.ox.ac.uk/article/crack-the-code
"It is a simple substitution code, where the first letter of the alphabet (א alef) is replaced by the last (ת taw), the second letter (ב bet) by the second last (ש sin or shin) etc. The name 'atbash' refers to the first letters of the names of these Hebrew characters: alef, taw, bet and shin"
I feel like that's probably it, but the problem is that Atbash would be a string of letters, and nothing I've tried to translate the error code numbers into letters has resulted in anything that makes sense.
The other possibility I thought of is a book cipher, but I'm not sure how that would work since we'd have to know the exact text they used as the key.
Quoted from Medisinyl:8 - "The origin of the cipher is biblical."
Wait a sec - biblical? Ben heck is messing with us.
Quoted from Riefepeters:Wait a sec - biblical? Ben heck is messing with us.
Do a Pinside search and see if anyone ever suggested a Dan Brown pin. That's your guy.
Quoted from EternitytoM83:I feel like that's probably it, but the problem is that Atbash would be a string of letters, and nothing I've tried to translate the error code numbers into letters has resulted in anything that makes sense.
The other possibility I thought of is a book cipher, but I'm not sure how that would work since we'd have to know the exact text they used as the key.
One interesting note about the error codes. They are reported as hex, but the digits are all 1-9. There are no 0, there are no a-f.
Quoted from Riefepeters:Wait a sec - biblical? Ben heck is messing with us.
I previously said it was Ben and he flat out denied it. Tend to believe him.
Quoted from brucipher:Maybe the guy who built the Sonic Spinball machine would take $100,000 for his game (or any of the other one off homebrew games). A much better investment...
I believe he was offered $75k for it and he’s turned it down. Have to think even at $100k he’d do the same.
Quoted from Seraph:One interesting note about the error codes. They are reported as hex, but the digits are all 1-9. There are no 0, there are no a-f.
Yeah I don't think they're actually hex, so I feel like converting them to decimal might be a dead-end. I'm thinking the important part is the digits that come after 0X.
Quoted from Roostking:I previously said it was Ben and he flat out denied it. Tend to believe him.
Why would I do this when I could be drinking beer or sleeping?
Quoted from greatwichjohn:people know my history of being broke now (no money).
Well there goes the drunk posting theory. You can’t be drunk if you can’t afford booze. The journey towards understanding GWJ continues…
Quoted from Scandell:Well there goes the drunk posting theory. You can’t be drunk if you can’t afford booze. The journey towards understanding GWJ continues…
Not allowed to talk about my favorite past time besides pinball. I have no money towards pinball production during my personal bankruptcy. But my wife & I still enjoy you know what!
No one that bought out Deeproot Pinball inventory or other stuff has reached out to get something made. That is why I am interested in another project.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:But my wife & I still enjoy you know what!
zz0rodoe7.pngQuoted from greatwichjohn:No one that bought out Deeproot Pinball inventory or other stuff has reached out to get something made.
John have you given any thought at all as to why that might be the case?
I mean no offense because on one hand you seem very earnest and forthright. But on the other and quite more heavily you have not done yourself any favors whatsoever. For your sake you should probably put down the brew, and consider any one of the countless hints as to the above. Otherwise I fear you're turning into a forum equivalent of the crazy guy who's always at the bus stop talking to himself.
Quoted from goingincirclez:John have you given any thought at all as to why that might be the case?
I mean no offense because on one hand you seem very earnest and forthright. But on the other and quite more heavily you have not done yourself any favors whatsoever. For your sake you should probably put down the brew, and consider any one of the countless hints as to the above. Otherwise I fear you're turning into a forum equivalent of the crazy guy who's always at the bus stop talking to himself.
Well I could do some products or projects. But it seems people will likely just sit on what they got, or do it themselves.
Has anyone said that you can build a game for way less than $100,000 yet? Because I think that needs to be said. John, if you believe in your project, then build it. You can probably do it for under $10k in parts. Seriously, do you think archer pinball or sonic spinball or americas most haunted cost $100,000? If you’re a retired dude, you already have the time. Just do it. What exactly would the $100k get you that you cannot just do on your own?
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Well I could do some products or projects. But it seems people will likely just sit on what they got, or do it themselves.
Yup, seems that way...
Quoted from Richthofen:Has anyone said that you can build a game for way less than $100,000 yet? Because I think that needs to be said. John, if you believe in your project, then build it. You can probably do it for under $10k in parts. Seriously, do you think archer pinball or sonic spinball or americas most haunted cost $100,000? If you’re a retired dude, you already have the time. Just do it. What exactly would the $100k get you that you cannot just do on your own?
$90k for the license?
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:$90k for the license?
Why would you buy the license if the possibility of it being a one off exists? Do you think Ryan McQuaid bought a sonic license?
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Well I could do some products or projects. But it seems people will likely just sit on what they got, or do it themselves.
I believe you, but you remind me a lot of the people that reach out to me with an idea of a product and expect me to partner with them instead of showing me a finished product to sell at our stores. They all kind of sound like dreamers.
Quoted from goingincirclez:Otherwise I fear you're turning into a forum equivalent of the crazy guy who's always at the bus stop talking to himself.
Turning into? 
Quoted from Richthofen:Why would you buy the license if the possibility of it being a one off exists? Do you think Ryan McQuaid bought a sonic license?
I would not. No.
Quoted from Richthofen:Has anyone said that you can build a game for way less than $100,000 yet? Because I think that needs to be said. John, if you believe in your project, then build it. You can probably do it for under $10k in parts. Seriously, do you think archer pinball or sonic spinball or americas most haunted cost $100,000? If you’re a retired dude, you already have the time. Just do it. What exactly would the $100k get you that you cannot just do on your own?
Excellent post, Rich. I would add TNA by Scott Danesi as another example of getting it done.
John try and consider why this "pitch" is so insulting to those of us who have actually done it.
We used our own money for parts and worked nights and weekends. We didn't have the luxury of being retired. We didn't have licenses. The game itself had to shoot to sell.
What makes you better than us? Why do you get to fast forward past countless nights of tweaking and coding and jump right to 100k? Do you even know how to code?
You'd have to have actual experience doing this to even hope of getting 100k. An amount that is too much and not enough at the same time. What's the timeline breakdown? What are the milestones? You also realize "rich people" have lost their shirts this year in the stock market and inflation is zapping away cash faster than you can spend it on beer.
In the immortal words of Steve Ritchie "If two people tell ya something sucks, it sucks"
Ben I am not here to insult everyone who has worked tirelessly on their own homebrew pinball. Some actually made it into production. I can get it done with the expertise & help of others who want to get paid. Yes there is a person to work on code. This is the high end pitch looking for a rich big whale investor for a one of a kind fully working pin at $100k US. A few or people know a number of them here (whales). Some I know have already said they are not the ones to invest, but there might be one who does not post or get involved with posts on pinside. Now only 3 weeks to see if the person comes aboard this project.
"I can get it done with the help of others" - so you can't get it done.
Why can't this whale just pay 'the others"and leave you out entirely?
Also for the love of God stop using the term "whale" Whales are IDIOTS. They're 21 yo linebackers blowing all their money at the strip club. They're people blowing 50k a night at casino. You' re insulting any potential client) spoiler warning, there aren't any) by using this term.
Quoted from Rarehero:It’s no use, Ben. He’s incapable of reading the room & is stuck in a brain glitch loop.
Yeah you're right. It's just annoying he can't see outside his bubble at how... Insane this all is. And yes, insulting to those who've done it at a fraction of the cost.
Stuff is happening with more players later this year into the market. Maybe some Deeproot Pinball stuff & maybe Jpop has a new home.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Stuff is happening with more players later this year into the market. Maybe some Deeproot Pinball stuff & maybe Jpop has a new home.
Troll.
Quoted from Scandell:Troll.
Have a listen at the end of the show: https://funwithbonus.com/the-super-awesome-pinball-show-fix-and-mcquaid/
Quoted from toyotaboy:hopefully it's a cardboard box under a bridge
Stop insulting people living in cardboard boxes!
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Have a listen at the end of the show: https://funwithbonus.com/the-super-awesome-pinball-show-fix-and-mcquaid/
“And Fix address untruths spread by a cancerous podcaster”.
Haha is that regarding K-man? Seriously? Is this the kind of crap he deals with?
Yeah I think I’ll add this podcast to the list of the many podcasts I chose not to listen to…cause they are …. just noise.
He’s not cancerous…unless you’re a pinball machine manufacturer that doesn’t run a above-board business….or a distributor that doesn’t hold companies accountable.
At the additional add on at the end. Dave talks about 2 new players entering the market. For those that are interested. Previously stated Jpop is back living in pinball land.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Previously stated Jpop is back living in pinball land.
Zero chance. What moron would want to have their business destroyed before starting? Jpop is a poison asset, everyone knows this. If someone were to be suckered again, that’s not a person who knows anything about pinball, and therefore won’t be succeeding. Nothing will come of it.
Can we limit threads to one absolute train wreck? We already have a different one for the Trailer Park Boys situation, and the same people are arguing in both.
Quoted from BrewinBombers:Can we limit threads to one absolute train wreck? We already have a different one for the Trailer Park Boys situation, and the same people are arguing in both.
You not only accept multiple trainwrecks in one thread... You will ENJOY it! Or else or something
Quoted from Scandell:This thread is a cluster wreck.
It was 629 pages ago...
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I'd still love to play a RAZA. I'd drive up to an hour to pump my week's worth of quarters into it.
RAZA had destroyed/wasted enough money already. If I ever saw one, I’d drop a steamy loaf on it.
Quoted from Rarehero:RAZA had destroyed/wasted enough money already. If I ever saw one, I’d drop a steamy loaf on it.
Thunderbirds is/was awful. But it was worth 50 cents just to see what all the fuss was about. INTERNATIONAL MYSTERY LOLZ!
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