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#31001 44 days ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

Wasn't it something like AP hired Joe Balcer who immediately recognized nothing of substance was getting done? Then he banged out Houdini from scratch within a few months
Also AP had that cute note with Magic Girl that said something to the effect of "we built what we were told to build and this does not reflect our standards"
JPop's only positive contribution this millennium was tricking some guys into starting a relatively decent pinball manufacturer which would fire him when they realized he didn't bring much to the team.

Corny's big claim to fame of getting the scoop on the houdini machine with his flip phone is still the highlight of his life. He was quick to tell me all about it during one of his personal rant sessions to me last year. Good times. Oh, and its not a bit.

#31002 44 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

The domains have expired on March 23rd, but every domain has a grace period. I believe on May 7th you can register any of those domains.

I happened to check on the domain registration for deeprootpinball.com, and it appears that it was renewed for another year at the beginning of the month before it fully expired. The website itself is just a registrar's landing page.

https://whois.domaintools.com/deeprootpinball.com

#31003 44 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I happened to check on the domain registration for deeprootpinball.com, and it appears that it was renewed for another year at the beginning of the month before it fully expired. The website itself is just a registrar's landing page.
https://whois.domaintools.com/deeprootpinball.com

whois says address is arizona.. so its either a pinsider that plans to do something clever with it, or someone looked up traffic stats and plans to sell aliexpress merch on it.

#31004 44 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

whois says address is arizona.. so its either a pinsider that plans to do something clever with it, or someone looked up traffic stats and plans to sell aliexpress merch on it.

That's just the masked privacy info. If you email or mail the contact info listed, it forwards to the actual owner's contact info. The actual owner of the domain is probably not in Arizona.

#31005 44 days ago

Don’t feel quite so special BJ, I got a message via Instagram today. I’m probably not the only one. Hi Corny. No hard feelings or anything but that sort of proves the point. *shrug*

#31006 44 days ago

I feel left out...

#31007 44 days ago
Quoted from desertT1:

Don’t feel quite so special BJ, I got a message via Instagram today. I’m probably not the only one. Hi Corny. No hard feelings or anything but that sort of proves the point. *shrug*

Oh, I don't feel special. And yeah, you're one of several to have already reported similar outreach. More power to anyone who has a taste for the special brand of engagement this gentleman offers. They're welcome to it! But I've been brought enough up to speed on his track record and repertoire to know I have zero interest. So when I also received a message, I politely invited him to fuck off. May that he does.

#31008 44 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Oh, I don't feel special. And yeah, you're one of several to have already reported similar outreach. More power to anyone who has a taste for the special brand of engagement this gentleman offers. They're welcome to it! But I've been brought enough up to speed on his track record and repertoire to know I have zero interest. So when I also received a message, I politely invited him to fuck off. May that he does.

I try to say everything with a touch of humor, so no insult intended. I’m just an observer in this appreciating when those who keep up on everything Deeproot can connect the dots for me.

#31009 44 days ago

I appreciate y'all who keep updating with court docs and summaries of the docs. Come to KC and play at 403 or Knubs and you'll never be thirsty if I'm there.

#31010 44 days ago
Quoted from desertT1:

I try to say everything with a touch of humor, so no insult intended. I’m just an observer in this appreciating when those who keep up on everything Deeproot can connect the dots for me.

Oh totally. I wasn't taking any offense. I'm more than glad to not be special when it comes to this recent nonsense.

#31011 43 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Actually, the problem was in San Antonio...

San Antonio we’ve got a ROBlinio!

#31012 43 days ago

Thanks, listened twice, great stuff.

Some tidbits in there I missed just following this thread. People like Mueller are fascinating as hell, so completely full of shit and delusional, to the detriment of anyone they come in contact with. He truly is a garbage person and it would be a shame if he didn't do serious time in prison.

#31013 43 days ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

He’s a toxic weird-ass creepy person & master of projection. Shocked he’s still ranting somewhere after being banned everywhere.

Man, I miss that guy.

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#31015 42 days ago

All right, let's bury that bullshit and return our attention to actually interesting stuff.

Two new items of note.

1. We've got a June 14 hearing regarding that trustee's lawyers trying to get paid. This notice is different from others we've seen (no weblinks) so I don't know to attend you have to show up in person or actually be directly connected to the case. Would someone whose email address does not include the word blueberry reach out to the indicated contact to inquire?

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#31016 42 days ago

2. Lots of juice for the squeeze with this one. Filings from the landlord of deeproot HQ.

Info includes the lease, lease amendments, all the dollar figures (so we can finally put a bow on one of the major money pits), expenses related to clearing the place out, among others.

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#31017 42 days ago

Look what's newly online for god knows what reason

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#31018 42 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Look what's newly online for god knows what reason
[quoted image]

It’s the latest alternate reality game just for you Dr Blueberry. Time to brush up on your cryptography skills

#31019 42 days ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

It’s the latest alternate reality game just for you Dr Blueberry. Time to brush up on your cryptography skills

I accept

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#31020 42 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Look what's newly online for god knows what reason
[quoted image]

It's a hex code string. It decodes to:

Check back soon for something interesting.

#31021 42 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

It's a hex code string. It decodes to:

That is unbelievable. Wow.

#31022 42 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

It's a hex code string. It decodes to:

Phew, I thought it was possibly a numbers station and Deeproot was soon to be discovered as some covert spy operation. I mean JPOP as and apparent bumbling pinball engineer but really a sophisticated secret agent would have been absolute brilliance as a cover.

#31023 42 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Look what's newly online for god knows what reason
[quoted image]

Quoted from ForceFlow:

It's a hex code string. It decodes to: Check back soon for something interesting.

Lordy.

Chris Turner stepping into the batter's box?

#31024 42 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Lordy.
Chris Turner stepping into the batting box?

That's what I was thinking. Nobody but a code monkey would put up a message like that.

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#31025 42 days ago

Dear lord.

Make it stop. Please.

#31026 42 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

That's what I was thinking. Nobody but a code monkey would put up a message like that.

I just can't think who else it would be. He's presumably got the code, he bought the most pinball stuff at auction, and he emailed the trustee lawyers about buying the pinball ip.

EDIT: Plus his company did the previous website.

Registrar info updated May 4, presumably when the domain was purchased back from Godaddy. I see no other info of note here.

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#31027 42 days ago

I'm looking forward to reading the Goodwill Agreement

#31028 42 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Dear lord.
Make it stop. Please.

All eyes turn to Jpop's LinkedIn page

#31030 42 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Lordy.
Chris Turner stepping into the batter's box?

Where do I order a RAZA machine?

#31031 42 days ago
Quoted from DoorCounty:

Where do I order a RAZA machine?

Check back soon for something interesting.

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#31032 42 days ago

Amazing how so many Gen Xers will throw money into the bottomless pit of Zidware/Jpoop just to recapture the "lost magic" of the mid-90's when they weren't married, didn't have kids and their dick worked 100%

Every $ you spend on this has-been hack is one less $ that helps the next Keith Elwin, Scott Danesi or INSERT PERSON WHO ACTUALLY MAKES FUCKING REAL GAMES HERE.

But by all means. Throw your money into a furnace if it tricks your ID into thinking it's 1996.

#31033 42 days ago

I do feel like he’s fucking with us now. Did anyone bother to read all the code on the website? He unintentionally left a bunch of private stuff up before. Who knows what he might intentionally hide.

At least writing the message in hex is a step above binary ascii

I wanna see the pinball version of Cicada 3301

#31034 42 days ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

Did anyone bother to read all the code on the website? He unintentionally left a bunch of private stuff up before. Who knows what he might intentionally hide.

The source code on the landing page is very minimal. Just the logo image, hex code text, some minimal formatting, and that's about it.

#31035 42 days ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

I do feel like he’s fucking with us now. Did anyone bother to read all the code on the website? He unintentionally left a bunch of private stuff up before. Who knows what he might intentionally hide.
At least writing the message in hex is a step above binary ascii
I wanna see the pinball version of Cicada 3301

Quoted from ForceFlow:

The source code on the landing page is very minimal. Just the logo image, hex code text, some minimal formatting, and that's about it.

My observation as well, ForceFlow . What/when are you talking about TreyBo69?

Additional note: Any deepootpinball.com URI (that I've found) whether previously valid or not will currently serve the same simple page and image.

#31036 42 days ago

Though the other deeproot sites aren't back, some of them are likely finally generating revenue (silver lining?).

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#31038 41 days ago
Quoted from benheck:Amazing how so many Gen Xers will throw money into the bottomless pit of Zidware/Jpoop just to recapture the "lost magic" of the mid-90's when they weren't married, didn't have kids and their dick worked 100%
But by all means. Throw your money into a furnace if it tricks your ID into thinking it's 1996.

You make it sound so tempting.

Quoted from benheck:

Every $ you spend on this has-been hack is one less $ that helps the next Keith Elwin, Scott Danesi or INSERT PERSON WHO ACTUALLY MAKES FUCKING REAL GAMES HERE.

Unfortunately, I can’t get a Keith Elwin game right now. Been waiting forever for a Godzilla premium with no end in sight.

#31039 41 days ago

I'm beginning to think that RM knew long ago that things were going to end up this way. When he could see the writing on the wall for all his other companies starting to unravel, he started the wheels turning as to how he was going to keep the pinball stuff going but this time as the silent partner/owner. Knowing how these kinds of proceedings go down, and what to expect from the SEC as far as the process and any potential jail time, he knew what would need to be done and how long all this stuff would take. This is when he got his buddy involved to buy up all the pertinent assets from the failed pinball company as well as the insurance policies, both for pennies on the dollar(well, maybe dimes on the dollar).

Suddenly, TuYo is in a spot where they somehow absconded with all the code(an intangible property that can't really be sold at auction, a legal grey area at best), a number of machines fairly close to being finished, and a potential income source from either reselling those insurance policies or cashing them out or whatever. All of this with RM secretly pulling the strings behind the scenes, possibly even with money he hid away somewhere offshore. The loss of their parts inventory and all the machinery really isn't that big of a deal. It's much easier to copy a pinball machine that's done than to come up with one from scratch. Essentially, that part's already done. With a legal purchase of Deeproot's IP comes either the continuation of, or the initiation of copyrights and patents on everything they've got, thereby putting the kibosh on anybody else trying to run off with their work in the aftermath of DR's bankruptcy.

I foresee them finishing up about three machines, announcing it as a "new, improved" version with "bigger, better" whatevers, and then trying to either get the game made by a third party(Spooky, AP, Dutch, or whomever), or announcing their retooling to start producing games in house, again. I'm also guessing that the time table will be about a year or so before anything really concrete gets announced or revealed, then later, games start shipping right about when RM gets out of medium security prison.

It's all a fairly decent long-con. A bit obvious, but it might work. I don't know how legal all of this is, but you gotta give him credit for trying! The one thing he probably is blind to though, future sales-wise, is how his market is probably 5% of what he thinks it is because of how he and Jpop have burned so many bridges and pissed off so many in the pinball world over these past few years. Sure, he might sell some, as curiosities for the rich folk that love collecting the unicorns, but that's about it.

#31040 41 days ago

Ooohh.. maybe we can get a date countdown like the ned reveal *not real*

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JPOP, 7th times a charm!

#31041 41 days ago

I definitely see some effort here by RM to salvage thru proxies. Turner running off with everything of value is just a little too neat and tidy…

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#31042 41 days ago

I have nothing going on with anything Deeproot. But it will be interesting to see if the interested group looking to get into the pinball manufacturing business a few years back. Have anything going on, or have some type of relationship. The story continues on, & that is all I can say about my previous talks. It was a group with money & knowledge. No talk about going to extremes with construction of pinball games.

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#31043 41 days ago

From my long ago personal experiences dealing with RM, combined with watching and analyzing his business moves for Deeproot the past 5 years, its difficult for me to believe he is some kind of evil genius operating three chess moves ahead.

Am I the only one laughing about this?

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#31044 41 days ago
Quoted from greatwichjohn:

I have nothing going on with anything Deeproot. But it will be interesting to see if the interested group looking to get into the pinball manufacturing business a few years back. Have anything going on, or have some type of relationship. The story continues on, & that is all I can say about my previous talks. It was a group with money & knowledge. No talk about going to extremes with construction of pinball games.

You sir are at expert at saying a lot without saying anything at all.

#31045 41 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Chris Turner stepping into the batter's box?

Considering the timing between expiration and the last update (42 days), there are two possibilities:

1. Chris Turner renewed the domain at the last minute, or
2. Someone else snagged the domain at auction.

Given the facts that Turner likely had the domain in his GoDaddy account (since he did the deeproot website) and that GoDaddy's "auctions" are super shady, I think option 1 is more likely. If the timing didn't line up so exactly with GoDaddy's published expiration timeline, I'd say it was almost a definite.

https://www.godaddy.com/help/what-happens-when-my-domain-expires-609

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#31046 41 days ago
Quoted from greatwichjohn:

I have nothing going on with anything Deeproot. But it will be interesting to see if the interested group looking to get into the pinball manufacturing business a few years back. Have anything going on, or have some type of relationship. The story continues on, & that is all I can say about my previous talks. It was a group with money & knowledge. No talk about going to extremes with construction of pinball games.

#31047 41 days ago

This is just beyond belief. I'm going to go ahead and say that if they couldn't build RAZA with 50 million dollars stolen from retirees, that they can't build it now with snack company money and the world's worst lawyer who is hopefully going to federal pound him in the ass prison.

I guess maybe Robert managed to con Chris Turner after he conned the pinball community and conned retirees and conned financial advisors.

Here's a question, though. Deeproot's original reason for existing was they were going to do better than all the other manufacturers. A Porsche at Kia prices or whatever. But the bankruptcy has seen their unnecessary in house board making equipment sold. And the giant piggybank of the retirees money is gone. So does anyone really think that a RAZA, probably objectively a bad game based on footage of it flipping, run by a crook, is a better investment than a new Stern? When they were backed by millions they sold 100 of them. Why would anyone want this? there were less than 100 people who believed the JPOP myth before it was revealed Mueller is a thief.

This whole thread is bad for my mental health.

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#31048 41 days ago

This is not a secret message, you guys are wrong.

Rumor is that "someone" in the pinball hobby took a part of his Canadian pension and bought the domain. After a long night of sippin' the suds, he decided to put his touch on the landing page. Unfortunately those last 14 Labatt's kicked in, he passed out and his head landed on the keyboard.

It's not an encrypted message, just a well meaning person trying to help the hobby... 12 ounces at a time.

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#31049 41 days ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

I'm going to go ahead and say that if they couldn't build RAZA with 50 million dollars stolen from retirees, that they can't build it now with snack company money and the world's worst lawyer who is hopefully going to federal pound him in the ass prison.

Often people see a failed business as an opportunity. There's a luxury apartment building complex one town over that filed bankruptcy twice before the 3rd owner finally completed the project over the course of like a decade.. It became the joke of the town because it was the building that would never get finished. 2nd buyer probably thought "well, the building is built, I just have to build the inside now", he was wrong.

https://www.shawlocal.com/2016/03/18/riverside-plaza-developer-files-bankruptcy/asxxzxd
https://www.yelp.com/biz/renew-on-main-algonquin

#31050 41 days ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

Often people see a failed business as an opportunity. There's a luxury apartment building complex one town over that filed bankruptcy twice before the 3rd owner finally completed the project over the course of like a decade.. It became the joke of the town because it was the building that would never get finished. 2nd buyer probably thought "well, the building is built, I just have to build the inside now", he was wrong.
https://www.shawlocal.com/2016/03/18/riverside-plaza-developer-files-bankruptcy/asxxzxd
https://www.yelp.com/biz/renew-on-main-algonquin

I guess? The issue is its not like Deeproot had a working factory, and if you are salvaging deeproot, you are starting without the facility, without the equipment, without the parts inventory to make games. Literally all they did was scoop the "intellectual property" aka JPOP's fever dreams. I don't see how this isn't yet another scam, there's no way anyone with basic math skills thinks RAZA intellectual property is a viable business model.

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