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#30751 1 year ago
 
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flynnibus

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Quoted from JodyG:

I don't understand how some others like PBL are able to sell mechs to us peons at the prices they do and still turn a profit.

Because once he got into the production of assemblies for pinball companies and not just as retail... volume becomes king. Getting whole assemblies built up as a direct source he is doing it without markup.. then by selling those to both companies and retail he helps drive up his volumes and reliable demand.

The close relationship with Spooky/etc has really helped us end-users as we get to benefit from all the stuff PBL started sourcing themselves instead of just being a retailer.

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#30752 1 year ago
 
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I keep watching that video of the pull out rotating playfield and just laugh and laugh. It sums up the innovative failure that was deeproot

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#30753 1 year ago
 
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Quoted from slghokie:

I keep watching that video of the pull out rotating playfield and just laugh and laugh. It sums up the innovative failure that was deeproot

I just adore the look of blind confidence on blobert's face as he authoritatively pulls that thing out, spins it around, and gets ready to shove it back in. It's great that the peanut gallery of 3 onlookers seems equally entranced with his efforts...

Do you think that they did a few practice runs before capturing the moment on video, or was the confidence level high enough to feel that no dry run was necessary?

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#30754 1 year ago
 
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Mr68

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Quoted from parsonsaj:

I just adore the look of blind confidence on blobert's face as he authoritatively pulls that thing out, spins it around, and gets ready to shove it back in. It's great that the peanut gallery of 3 onlookers seems equally entranced with his efforts...
Do you think that they did a few practice runs before capturing the moment on video, or was the confidence level high enough to feel that no dry run was necessary?

I'll guess he spent the entire morning practicing his moves and facial expressions. Probably had a bottle of oxygen off camera to survive holding his gut in.

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#30755 1 year ago
 
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LeonSpinkx

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Quoted from slghokie:

I keep watching that video of the pull out rotating playfield and just laugh and laugh. It sums up the innovative failure that was deeproot

"innovative failure" is a perfect summation of the entire Deeproot story.

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#30756 1 year ago
 
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jeffspinballpalace

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Once you get past the fraudulent funding and the doomed committee-centric organization, you’ll see deeproot spent $61M in 74 months, for an average monthly burn of $825k. That’s right folks, in order for Robert to spend $58M of retirement funding plus $3M of PPP loans, Robert had to spend $825k each and every month for a six year period. And for my international friends, that’s allota tamales.

Deeproot orgy of companies was investigated by the SEC and Robert was charged with fraud, just as the money in the banks ran out. Ha, the money was gone and the company was doomed to go up in a ball of fire from that point. The investigations and subsequent court cases have uncovered a good bit of game designs and also shady dealings between deeproot and their employees or others.

I am beginning to understand the disconnect between the manhours spent by deeproot employees and the lack of progress to complete pinball machines. It was so cluster f’d from the beginning, it makes you wonder whether Robert was unintentionally or intentionally sabotaging pinball, knowing the house was built on ill-gotten deck of cards and money would dry up in x = 0 months. And Robert might as well keep the incoming / outgoing marriage ambassadors rolling in jewels and the champagne flowing at after private-school parties for parents and faculty til the lights go out and everyone exits.

And while Robert spent every penny of the $61M and from day 1, while operating in both the financial services and insurance industries, Robert kept no records of expenditures and he never had a COO, CFO or CPA running the accounting. I wonder why ??? Unless he knew deeproot was in the shitter and no accountant would ever sign on to coverup his fraudulent scheme. The few notes retrieved by prosecutors looking into dr demonstrate a lack of understanding of both how numbers work and what numbers are needed for. It was always a boiling ball of puss, and after spending $61M, The Party was finally over.

2025 - Leo DiCaprio signs on to produce and to star in this documentary that has gripped the world. Blueberry is hired as an executive consultant and casting director. Blueberry became so rich since 2022, that he tracked down and bought the old deeproot casting couches. And now he’s ready to put them to good use, as he hires everyone that will appear in the deeproot documentary. Viva La Deeproot !! (r.i.p.)

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#30757 1 year ago
 
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wrd1972_PinDoc

PinDoc Restorations

US Richmond, KY

10y 84,300 1,322 8 3

Quoted from turbo20lbs:

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Just saw this. OMG what a waste of time, money and resource. Totally reinventing the wheel here! They could have just used the WPC PF bracketry and side-rails and just slide the glass in like everything else. This shit (assuming it really worked) would have added $100ish to BOM cost.

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#30758 1 year ago
 
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Inside

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Quoted from wrd1972_PinDoc:

Just saw this. OMG what a waste of time, money and resource. Totally reinventing the wheel here! They could have just used the WPC PF bracketry and side-rails and just slide the glass in like everything else. This shit (assuming it really worked) would have added $100ish to BOM cost.

Probably closer to $500 than $100.

A 50lb playfield with a SF of 2.5 would impose a moment of ~450ftlb on the pivot.

I chose safety factor 2.5 because people are going to hold on to it for support, etc.

You’d need a ~1.5in thick steel axle to hold up the load and prevent the axle from yielding (permanently deforming).

Since you’re cantilevering the playfield you’ll also need to reinforce the pivot side of it with a steel frame unless you want the plywood to explode under its own weight. That’ll add extra weight and would require an ever beefed pivoting axle, etc.

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#30759 1 year ago
 
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clempo

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CA Laval, QC

6y 31,800 376

Quoted from Inside:

Since you’re cantilevering the playfield you’ll also need to reinforce the pivot side of it with a steel frame unless you want the plywood to explode under its own weight. That’ll add extra weight and would require an ever beefed pivoting axle, etc.

The rocket equation for cantilever playfields.

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#30760 1 year ago
 
TMB

Roostking

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Quoted from clempo:

The rocket equation for cantilever playfields.

Derproot put the "Can't" in cantilever!

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#30761 1 year ago
 
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Inside

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Quoted from clempo:

The rocket equation for cantilever playfields.

NASA stipulates a SF of only 1.4 for rockets

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#30762 1 year ago
 
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greatwichjohn

Great Pinball

CA Halifax, NS

11y 100K 4,531

After all the crap Pinball Life is #1 for stuff!

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#30763 1 year ago
 
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RCA1

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11y 128K 8,679 28 11

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Brief highlights from this week's new SEC motion and subsequent order.
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Did anyone notice that "Further" is misspelled as "Furhter" in both "It Is Further Ordered" clauses?
Is that why BJ highighted those lines?

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#30764 1 year ago
 
BBJ

blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,698 1

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Once you get past the fraudulent funding and the doomed committee-centric organization, you’ll see deeproot spent $61M in 74 months, for an average monthly burn of $825k. That’s right folks, in order for Robert to spend $58M of retirement funding plus $3M of PPP loans, Robert had to spend $825k each and every month for a six year period. And for my international friends, that’s allota tamales.
Deeproot orgy of companies was investigated by the SEC and Robert was charged with fraud, just as the money in the banks ran out. Ha, the money was gone and the company was doomed to go up in a ball of fire from that point. The investigations and subsequent court cases have uncovered a good bit of game designs and also shady dealings between deeproot and their employees or others.
I am beginning to understand the disconnect between the manhours spent by deeproot employees and the lack of progress to complete pinball machines. It was so cluster f’d from the beginning, it makes you wonder whether Robert was unintentionally or intentionally sabotaging pinball, knowing the house was built on ill-gotten deck of cards and money would dry up in x = 0 months. And Robert might as well keep the incoming / outgoing marriage ambassadors rolling in jewels and the champagne flowing at after private-school parties for parents and faculty til the lights go out and everyone exits.
And while Robert spent every penny of the $61M and from day 1, while operating in both the financial services and insurance industries, Robert kept no records of expenditures and he never had a COO, CFO or CPA running the accounting. I wonder why ??? Unless he knew deeproot was in the shitter and no accountant would ever sign on to coverup his fraudulent scheme. The few notes retrieved by prosecutors looking into dr demonstrate a lack of understanding of both how numbers work and what numbers are needed for. It was always a boiling ball of puss, and after spending $61M, The Party was finally over.
2025 - Leo DiCaprio signs on to produce and to star in this documentary that has gripped the world. Blueberry is hired as an executive consultant and casting director. Blueberry became so rich since 2022, that he tracked down and bought the old deeproot casting couches. And now he’s ready to put them to good use, as he hires everyone that will appear in the deeproot documentary. Viva La Deeproot !! (r.i.p.)

Interesting assessment + fan fiction, @jeffspinballpalace.

One minor correction: It's inaccurate to write that Robert kept no record of expenditures. We know he kept at least one. Because here are a couple photos from auction inspection day of a 2015 amex statement that was laying around.

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#30765 1 year ago
 
BBJ

blueberryjohnson

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Quoted from RCA1:

Did anyone notice that "Further" is misspelled as "Furhter" in both "It Is Further Ordered" clauses?
Is that why BJ highighted those lines?

Bingo. Highlighted the first time because it's a typo from the motion filed by Robert's lawyer for the judge to sign. Highlighted the second time because the lawyer's error potentially makes the judge (thankful for the time saver and trusting of the lawyer's attention to detail) look dumb. Anyone know if judges care about such things?

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#30766 1 year ago
 
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DanQverymuch

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Frankly, it reminded me of the jerk who had a large part in ruining RGP.

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#30767 1 year ago
 
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toyotaboy

RandOM Pinball

US Allyn, WA

12y 184K 11,929 3 14

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Interesting assessment + fan fiction, jeffspinballpalace.
One minor correction: It's inaccurate to write that Robert kept no record of expenditures. We know he kept at least one. Because here are a couple photos from auction inspection day of a 2015 amex statement that was laying around.
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And here are a few other money-related pics of potential interest:
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I see a payment of 2880.10 in december of 2015 (and shows up as various broken down amounts in october) to phone number 210-496-1560 which appears to be golf/tennis club.
https://www.clubatsonterra.com

He sure did like living like someone that had money (which he did not)

Also who keeps 7 year old amex reciepts that have nothing to do with your current business lying around your office? That would be like if you walked around spooky pinball and they still had receipts from their sign company in 2013.

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#30768 1 year ago
 
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Jvspin

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Quoted from DanQverymuch:

Frankly,

I see what you did there.

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#30769 1 year ago
 
ALC

AstonEnthusiast

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30/60/late payment fees to Amex? WTF. $2k Time Warner bill - that's a lot of PPV porn or he was paying his subdivisions cable bills.

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#30770 1 year ago
 
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ForceFlow

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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Interesting assessment + fan fiction, jeffspinballpalace.
One minor correction: It's inaccurate to write that Robert kept no record of expenditures. We know he kept at least one. Because here are a couple photos from auction inspection day of a 2015 amex statement that was laying around.
[quoted image]
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And here are a few other money-related pics of potential interest:
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Lots of interesting info there that an accountant could certainly glean to see where money was going.

30 day AND 60 day late payment fees? Yikes.

A time warner cable charge for $2777? Even for commercial service, that's a huge number. Maybe there's also late fees bundled in that bill? There's a later charge that's only $53, which would've been much more reasonable for basic cable TV service.

Digital Ocean web hosting? Yuck. They tend to be a haven for malicious actors. Their IP addresses constantly probing other websites for vulnerabilities.

ARVIXIE--another webhost. Why?

Looks like there were possibly two Microsoft 365 E5 subscription for email and/or office suite software, according to 2015 pricing. As well as several subscriptions for Adobe acrobat pro and Adobe creative cloud software.

Ring centeral VOIP phone service. Nothing exciting with that one.

Holistic Solutions? Tech consulting company...in North Carolina? Normally, most businesses tend to hire tech consultants that are within a reasonable driving range. This doesn't make sense to me.

A payment to Kaplan University. I wonder if Muller was trying to obtain business certification(s) for himself?

$55k charge for "Soccer for a cause"?
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/soccer-for-a-cause-announces-stadium-expansion-2325521
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/14/san-antonio-scorpions-the-soccer-club-that-give-their-profits-to-charity

Iron Mountain--Back in 2015, they focused on document storage, document shredding, and data backups. They also had data centers, which in 2022 seems to be a much larger focus now. https://web.archive.org/web/20151126002741/http://www.ironmountain.com/

The club at sonterra - Texas country club

Deleware Division of Corporations - This seems to be a state-level organization, so a charge there seems odd to me. Did Muller incorporate anything in Deleware? Or register a trademark specifically in Deleware?

HTC Holdings - an investment company.

I think that's about all the moderately interesting stuff on the credit card transactions report.

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#30771 1 year ago
 
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ZNET

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Quoted from DanQverymuch:

Frankly, it reminded me of the jerk who had a large part in ruining RGP.

My thought, exactly. Frank Furhter's real identity was never confirmed, although we all had our suspicions.

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#30772 1 year ago
 
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pinballlife

Pinball Life

US Huntley, IL

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Quoted from ZNET:

My thought, exactly. Frank Furhter's real identity was never confirmed, although we all had our suspicions.

I believe it was Todd Nathan, or Nathan Todd, as I recall.

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#30773 1 year ago
 
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play_pinball

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Quoted from ForceFlow:

A time warner cable charge for $2777? Even for commercial service, that's a huge number.

It’s not unrealistic for an enterprise business level account from Time Warner / Spectrum.

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#30774 1 year ago
 
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ForceFlow

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Quoted from play_pinball:

It’s not unrealistic for an enterprise business level account from Time Warner / Spectrum.

For a huge company with multiple locations, sure. For one location with a handful of staff? I think that's a stretch.

That would be the cost of something like 4 100Mbps fiber lines.

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#30775 1 year ago
 
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DanQverymuch

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Quoted from ZNET:

My thought, exactly. Frank Furhter's real identity was never confirmed, although we all had our suspicions.

Well, now you went and made it searchable to feed his ego, but he hasn't even posted on RGP in like two years, so maybe he has met some just reward and won't get any jollies.

I always cringed from his .sig tagline, "Once upon my crank her ballpark shrank", which I always thought begged the question, "Why, because it's so small?"

...which is also cringy, my apologies.

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#30776 1 year ago
 
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Miguel351

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Quoted from slghokie:

I keep watching that video of the pull out rotating playfield and just laugh and laugh. It sums up the innovative failure that was deeproot

That's what proves this equation: When, Innovation > Usefulness = It's Over-Engineered

There's no real good reason for all that dohickeyism-contraptionery! It's not even built up strong enough to hold a fully populated playfield's weight, or even height. There's no way a RAZA playfield, with it's ramps and all the other crap on there would fit in that space between the playfield and the glass in that video. I can already think of a couple different ways to achieve the main function of that outward-extended playfield mech with only about three parts, not the 15-20 he's got going on there. Yikes!

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#30777 1 year ago
 
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RCA1

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Quoted from slghokie:

I keep watching that video of the pull out rotating playfield and just laugh and laugh. It sums up the innovative failure that was deeproot

I keep trying to picture that with wiring a wiring harness attached to the playfield.

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#30778 1 year ago
 
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Haymaker

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Quoted from Miguel351:

That's what proves this equation: When, Innovation > Usefulness = It's Over-Engineered
There's no real good reason for all that dohickeyism-contraptionery! It's not even built up strong enough to hold a fully populated playfield's weight, or even height. There's no way a RAZA playfield, with it's ramps and all the other crap on there would fit in that space between the playfield and the glass in that video. I can already think of a couple different ways to achieve the main function of that outward-extended playfield mech with only about three parts, not the 15-20 he's got going on there. Yikes!

Quoted from RCA1:

I keep trying to picture that with wiring a wiring harness attached to the playfield.

Quoted from Inside:

Probably closer to $500 than $100.
A 50lb playfield with a SF of 2.5 would impose a moment of ~450ftlb on the pivot.
I chose safety factor 2.5 because people are going to hold on to it for support, etc.
You’d need a ~1.5in thick steel axle to hold up the load and prevent the axle from yielding (permanently deforming).
Since you’re cantilevering the playfield you’ll also need to reinforce the pivot side of it with a steel frame unless you want the plywood to explode under its own weight. That’ll add extra weight and would require an ever beefed pivoting axle, etc.

Keith Johnson called this one last year too lol

Quoted from pinball_keefer:

Yeah, and an entire playfield hanging on that pivot is a Moment Arm From Hell, and I have no idea how anyone ever expected it to work (and still cost what we sort of expect pinball machines to cost).

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#30779 1 year ago
 
BEN

benheck

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Also this stupid playfield arm... Is the cabinet filled with cinder blocks? How is this not a tipping hazard?

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#30780 1 year ago
 
JCS

jeffspinballpalace

JeffSPinballPalace

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Quoted from ForceFlow:

Lots of interesting info there that an accountant could certainly glean to see where money was going.
30 day AND 60 day late payment fees? Yikes.
A time warner cable charge for $2777? Even for commercial service, that's a huge number. Maybe there's also late fees bundled in that bill? There's a later charge that's only $53, which would've been much more reasonable for basic cable TV service.
Digital Ocean web hosting? Yuck. They tend to be a haven for malicious actors. Their IP addresses constantly probing other websites for vulnerabilities.
ARVIXIE--another webhost. Why?
Looks like there were possibly two Microsoft 365 E5 subscription for email and/or office suite software, according to 2015 pricing. As well as several subscriptions for Adobe acrobat pro and Adobe creative cloud software.
Ring centeral VOIP phone service. Nothing exciting with that one.
Holistic Solutions? Tech consulting company...in North Carolina? Normally, most businesses tend to hire tech consultants that are within a reasonable driving range. This doesn't make sense to me.
A payment to Kaplan University. I wonder if Muller was trying to obtain business certification(s) for himself?
$55k charge for "Soccer for a cause"?
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/soccer-for-a-cause-announces-stadium-expansion-2325521
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/14/san-antonio-scorpions-the-soccer-club-that-give-their-profits-to-charity
Iron Mountain--Back in 2015, they focused on document storage, document shredding, and data backups. They also had data centers, which in 2022 seems to be a much larger focus now. https://web.archive.org/web/20151126002741/http://www.ironmountain.com/
The club at sonterra - Texas country club
Deleware Division of Corporations - This seems to be a state-level organization, so a charge there seems odd to me. Did Muller incorporate anything in Deleware? Or register a trademark specifically in Deleware?
HTC Holdings - an investment company.
I think that's about all the moderately interesting stuff on the credit card transactions report.

Remember though, Robert’s alleged plan was to launch games and then charge a fee to access the code. It would appear as a line item on people’s AMEX’s. The amount being batted about was as high as $50 a game per month. Blueberry can refresh our memories as to the specifics, but Robert saw nothing wrong with a person paying hundreds a month for something as a way of life. In fact he felt it was a person’s obligation. I wonder if AMEX sends Robert sympathy cards each year, asking him to get well and to come back soon.

The one thing I feel bruised by was the full court press by a few employees beyond the initial TPN seminar. When it is obvious that no game design is going to be completed anytime in the near term and one makes a public statement or podcast talking about games coming soon, this is false and irresponsible. As fictional PFC Gomer Pyle in the USMC would have told Seargent Carter, “for shame, for shame, for shame.”

The most memorable scene in the yet to made documentary is of the deep six visit for a final reveal of RAZA. The pinbar didn’t work for hours and then when it did get going in the back room ….. it soon burst into flames. Hahahaha. OMG are you f’in kidding me? Deeproot sent their game in for UL certification before it was ready and that game caught on fire too. Changes were made to test game and it was resubmitted for continued review. The bill for $10k plus was presented for the retesting, and it stands unpaid today. RAZA never received UL certification. If you put RAZA in your house and turned your back and left it for a few hours, you might return to a house engulfed in flames. No matter where in the world you live, that is unacceptable.

Where’s the film and video branches of deeproot during all this? Robert invested heavily in the entertainment media and to not have a movie in the works is unbelievable. I can see Robert deciding to remake Citizen Kane, starring himself. In the pivotal deathbed scene, Robert is weak and delusional and he is fixated on his muse. He can be heard muttering something and the camera pans in. Robert repeats it and the room is silent, speechless. What did he say? The words were what always drove Robert to do his personal best each day, even if that was not very good. The phrase was a simple one ….. JPOP.

Post last edited 1 year ago: “Robert was also overheard muttering, “damn that Ben Heck.’”

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#30781 1 year ago
 
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TreyBo69

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Quoted from benheck:

Also this stupid playfield arm... Is the cabinet filled with cinder blocks? How is this not a tipping hazard?

They do counterbalance it some in the cabinet. The computer, power supplies, a subwoofer box, and shaker motor are all pushed to the back. With the head on and maybe some additional ballast in the backbox it wouldn’t tip over.

Of course it doesn’t matter. None of this is necessary

I’m endlessly amused that Robert put so much time into making sure his sexist image of a woman could maintain a pin, which we all know is him projecting not being able to maintain his own games.

All that effort to make games “bulletproof” and solder free repairs, but introducing numerous complex mechanics, pinch points, and failure points to get there…

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#30782 1 year ago
 
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frolic

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Quoted from TreyBo69:

I’m endlessly amused that Robert put so much time into making sure his sexist image of a woman could maintain a pin

Remember that quote of his about the target market being single moms?

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#30783 1 year ago
 
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littlecammi

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US Carol Stream, IL

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Quoted from frolic:

Remember his quote about the target market being single moms?

He was married and divorced fairly often. That was Robert's own target market.

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#30784 1 year ago
 
III

TreyBo69

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Robert shows up with his PinBod and leaves a single mother with a pinball machine and a lifetime of regret. Robert is making his own market

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#30785 1 year ago
 
BEN

benheck

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US Madison, WI

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Quoted from frolic:

Remember that quote of his about the target market being single moms?

95lb single moms, no less!

Someone should explain women to Robert.

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#30786 1 year ago
 
JSS

JStoltz

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6y 62,050 822 4

Quoted from benheck:

95lb single moms, no less!
Someone should explain women to Robert.

Robert clearly struggles with "scale." Some examples:

95 lb women
12621 Silicon Dr, San Antonio, TX 78249
1000 RAZA's
Salary Burn Rates
Industrial Manufacturing Equipment
Office Exercise Equipment
The PinPod(TM)
Size Medium Dry Fit Polo

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#30787 1 year ago
 
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gdonovan

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Quoted from benheck:

95lb single moms, no less!
Someone should explain women to Robert.

That train left the station several years ago.

Stuff like that makes me think it was a scam from the gitgo, no one could be that stupid.

Almost 60 years I have been on this ball of dirt. I cant say to be an expert on what women like but can tell you what the average single mom DOESNT LIKE.

Dropping 10k on a pinball machine, most of the have trouble making rent.

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#30788 1 year ago
 
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LORDDREK

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My 2x RAZA shirt fits awesome. Someone got that right at least…

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#30789 1 year ago
 
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TreyBo69

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Quoted from gdonovan:

That train left the station several years ago.
Stuff like that makes me think it was a scam from the gitgo, no one could be that stupid.
Almost 60 years I have been on this ball of dirt. I cant say to be an expert on what women like but can tell you what the average single mom DOESNT LIKE.
Dropping 10k on a pinball machine, most of the have trouble making rent.

It’s a guy who trademarked “a pinball for every family and a family for every pinball” or some shit.

He steals money for a bit and becomes totally oblivious to what a typical family is anymore, let alone a single parent home.

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#30790 1 year ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

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Quoted from JStoltz:

Robert clearly struggles with "scale." Some examples:
95 lb women
12621 Silicon Dr, San Antonio, TX 78249
1000 RAZA's
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Industrial Manufacturing Equipment
Office Exercise Equipment
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#30791 1 year ago
 
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jeffspinballpalace

JeffSPinballPalace

20y 242K 19,062 556

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Forklifts

Whitewoods folding into pinball cabinets.

Potentially burning down 126 dwellings.

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#30792 1 year ago
 
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SantaEatsCheese

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US Crofton, MD

5y 209K 9,619 6 85 1

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Forklifts

Yep... I love how in your podcast you lay out the facts on that Forklift... Like that it was too big to turn around in their building.

Golf clap...

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#30793 1 year ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

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Couple notable bankruptcy filings today. Quickie overview. Will dig in tonight or tomorrow if others do not first.

#1 Trustee wants to extend the deadline for sorting out creditor claims to April 23... 2023.

deeprootcapital-105-2022.04.21.pdfdeeprootcapital-105-2022.04.21.pdf

#2 TuYo is officially in the insurance business

deeprootcapital-106-2022.04.21.pdfdeeprootcapital-106-2022.04.21.pdf
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#30794 1 year ago
 
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toyotaboy

RandOM Pinball

US Allyn, WA

12y 184K 11,929 3 14

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Yep... I love how in your podcast you lay out the facts on that Forklift... Like that it was too big to turn around in their building.
Golf clap...

Also in case people didn't realize, forklifts are REALLY heavy. Not only does that make it difficult to transport (good luck finding a buyer that can quickly pick it up), but also wherever you're using a forklift better have floors that can support that weight. Since Robert is known for attempting to convert office buildings into manufacturing facilities, I wonder how thick the cement was in the other building

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#30795 1 year ago
 
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ForceFlow

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Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

The most memorable scene in the yet to made documentary is of the deep six visit for a final reveal of RAZA. The pinbar didn’t work for hours and then when it did get going in the back room ….. it soon burst into flames. Hahahaha. OMG are you f’in kidding me? Deeproot sent their game in for UL certification before it was ready and that game caught on fire too. Changes were made to test game and it was resubmitted for continued review. The bill for $10k plus was presented for the retesting, and it stands unpaid today. RAZA never received UL certification. If you put RAZA in your house and turned your back and left it for a few hours, you might return to a house engulfed in flames. No matter where in the world you live, that is unacceptable.

Did you catch the podcast that was linked to earlier? It sounded like the games were just thrown together for the first time at the last minute in a hurry.

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#30796 1 year ago
 
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Mr68

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Quoted from benheck:

Someone should explain women to Robert.

I'd like to sign up for that too.

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#30797 1 year ago
 
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gdonovan

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Quoted from toyotaboy:

Also in case people didn't realize, forklifts are REALLY heavy. Not only does that make it difficult to transport (good luck finding a buyer that can quickly pick it up), but also wherever you're using a forklift better have floors that can support that weight. Since Robert is known for attempting to convert office buildings into manufacturing facilities, I wonder how thick the cement was in the other building

MOST forklifts are plenty hefty, there are some small "rough terrain" models that are not bad but usually you have to add water ballast to keep them from going over near their limits.

Gary "certified forklift operator" Donovan.

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#30798 1 year ago
 
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LeonSpinkx

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US Eugene, OR

7y 60,550 815

Quoted from gdonovan:

MOST forklifts are plenty hefty, there are some small "rough terrain" models that are not bad but usually you have to add water ballast to keep them from going over near their limits.
Gary "certified forklift operator" Donovan. [quoted image]

The forklift in question was a Hyster with an 8,000 lb lift capacity; the gross weight of the forklift with no load was over 12,000 pounds, and on solid tires. Loaded or unloaded that thing would have chewed up the floors, if @blueberryjohnson's explanation of the flooring in the podcast was any indication.

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#30799 1 year ago
 
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gdonovan

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7y 185K 13,206 70

Quoted from LeonSpinkx:

The forklift in question was a Hyster with an 8,000 lb lift capacity; the gross weight of the forklift with no load was over 12,000 pounds, and on solid tires. Loaded or unloaded that thing would have chewed up the floors, if blueberryjohnson's explanation of the flooring in the podcast was any indication.

Fair enough; I did not listen to the podcast.

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#30800 1 year ago
 
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rosh

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Seems to me that rather than spend a ton of engineering time and a add a big chunk to the BOM on something to make it easier to repair the machine, it would be better to have put that engineering and BOM towards making the machines well built and reliable from the start, so you would not need some fancy and expensive playfield lift assembly (or glass assembly). The ultimate goal should be to make it so the owner never needs to remove the glass other than to occasionally wipe down the playfield, let alone needing to lift the playfield.

Maybe if you had an over abundance of engineering resources you might look at something crazy like that, but since it sounds like lack of engineering support for designers is why most of the games were stalled, spending resources on this makes zero sense, then again, very little of what Robert was doing made sense.

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