Alice in Wonderland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2013
Celts
Haggis, 2021
Magic Girl
Zidware Pinball USA, 2017
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2012
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Arcade Edition)
Deeproot, 2020
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Xtra Edition)
Deeproot, 2020pinballguru did you design the game around the PinBar? How did the changes to the cabinet in general impact your design? It seems like they were tweaking the cabinet a lot over time and even produced the one RAZA without the PinBar. Did you have to revise things around a constantly changing cabinet design?
pinballguru I've asked a few deeproot people which game this is no one has been sure. Can you identify it?
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You can see video of it flipping here: https://www.knapparcade.org/post/exclusive-never-before-deeproot-pinball-seen-videos-pictures
Quoted from Keroppi:It is. And I will most definitely be starting threads and sharing a lot of pictures of this machine and Goonies as I try to get them flipping. They'll even be going in proper deeproot cabinets.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:I'll check to see if I have any higher-quality pics of that one.
I actually don't need to see photos, I just thought that it was odd that nobody at the auction preview posted better photos than the auctioneer did.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:pinballguru I've asked a few deeproot people which game this is no one has been sure. Can you identify it?
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You can see video of it flipping here: https://www.knapparcade.org/post/exclusive-never-before-deeproot-pinball-seen-videos-pictures
It’s Machine Age
Quoted from TreyBo69:pinballguru did you design the game around the PinBar? How did the changes to the cabinet in general impact your design? It seems like they were tweaking the cabinet a lot over time and even produced the one RAZA without the PinBar. Did you have to revise things around a constantly changing cabinet design?
No, The PinBar didn't affect the game rules. You can navigate through player's choices using the flipper buttons and action button without the PinBar. (Merlin's Arcade doesn't require the PinBar, but an action button would be needed for versions without the PinBar) The constantly changing cabinet didn't affect the playfield layout. The only playfield change I made after 2020 was to move inserts at request of playfield illustrator for better artwork.
Quoted from pinballguru:No, The PinBar didn't affect the game rules. You can navigate through player's choices using the flipper buttons and action button without the PinBar. (Merlin's Arcade doesn't require the PinBar, but an action button would be needed for versions without the PinBar) The constantly changing cabinet didn't affect the playfield layout. The only playfield change I made after 2020 was to move inserts at request of playfield illustrator for better artwork.
Do you know if a version with the art and a final cabinet design was ever put together?
It seemed like there was a mock up Merlin’s Arcade cabinet (with a Magic Girl white wood) in some photos.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:pinballguru I've asked a few deeproot people which game this is no one has been sure. Can you identify it?
Not sure. My last visit to deeproot was in late 2019 before the pandemic. I never saw that playfield up & play-able. Visits to deeproot were always "whirlwind" with many events happening and many others visiting at the same time. Not much time to play other playfields.
Quoted from TreyBo69:It’s Machine Age
You sure? That was the one guess I got, but that person wasn't sure.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Do you know if a version with the art and a final cabinet design was ever put together?
It seemed like there was a mock up Merlin’s Arcade cabinet (with a Magic Girl white wood) in some photos.
I never saw any version with mock up art on cabinet. I'm not sure why Merlin;s Arcade wasn't in the cabinet labeled Merlin's Arcade at the auction. Again, I don't live in Texas and hadn't visited deeproot since late 2019.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:You sure? That was the one guess I got, but that person wasn't sure.
Process of elimination. It’s either Machine Age or a totally new game, which may be possible considering the Luchadore game.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Process of elimination. It’s either Machine Age or a totally new game, which may be possible considering the Luchadore game.
Right, which means who knows. Don't forget all of the other alleged titles and licenses (Licensed board game, licensed combat racing game or whatever, the ever mysterious "Multiplex").
Brief highlights from this week's new SEC motion and subsequent order.
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Masked Republic actually looks like the most fun layout of them all, imo. I really like the fist mechs that punch the ball away from the outlanes.
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The giant metal Ferris wheel fell out of the Machine Age playfield while we were moving things and slammed onto the ground. I think it did more damage to the concrete than the “mech”. 
Quoted from goingincirclez:Isn't that the Windows98 Space Cadet layout?
I'd love to see how they got the floating pop bumpers worked out.
I don't think so...
Quoted from play_pinball:It’s not the Lucha Libre game, which was titled Masked Republic (Intended to be Rey Mysterio licensed, at least per the artwork).
Masked Republic actually looks like the most fun layout of them all, imo. I really like the fist mechs that punch the ball away from the outlanes.
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The giant metal Ferris wheel fell out of the Machine Age playfield while we were moving things and slammed onto the ground. I think it did more damage to the concrete than the “mech”.
Great pics and info. Were you moving them because you bought them? Since the first pic is a tissuewood, I assume it's a jpop design. That would sync with what I shared on the podcast yesterday about Jpop getting to hang with the lucha guys. Which means, presumably that Jpop hung with Rey Misterio.
Would love to hear what Rey thought about that. @rarehero, any connection there?
Quoted from Tranquilize:I don't think so...
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Gladiator, not Gladiators.
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(Photo from the Knapp Arcade article. This was the playfield I really wanted but unfortunately it was already picked up the day before we got down there. I have no idea who bought it.)
Quoted from play_pinball:My brother got the Masked Republic and Machine Age playfields. I didn’t purchase anything myself.
MR is a jpop design.
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Pics of the machine age playfield? That could confirm the suspicion regarding the video of the flipping mystery machine I posted.
Quoted from pinballguru:I actually don't need to see photos, I just thought that it was odd that nobody at the auction preview posted better photos than the auctioneer did.
Well I *know* you don't need Pics of it, you *designed* it LOL... I meant for the rest of the people who don't know it intimately like you do.
Re: Machine age - I have the ramp moulds clearly labeled as such and maybe the cad, so pretty certain we can unquestionably identify it.
Although as I say that, I remember I have a Goonies cad clearly labeled Gladiator...
I can say that I did look over the Machine Age playfield when I was loading it and it wasn’t labeled nor had any identifiers anywhere. I thought it was a version of The Who at first. We didn’t know what it was called until that Knapp Arcade article got posted.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:pinballguru I've asked a few deeproot people which game this is no one has been sure. Can you identify it?
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You can see video of it flipping here: https://www.knapparcade.org/post/exclusive-never-before-deeproot-pinball-seen-videos-pictures
Sure does take a lot of balls, to start a pinball company!
Quoted from play_pinball:I can say that I did look over the Machine Age playfield when I was loading it and it wasn’t labeled nor had any identifiers anywhere. I thought it was a version of The Who at first. We didn’t know what it was called until that Knapp Arcade article got posted.
Lol. I guess I should have already known the answer since I sent Knapp everything for that post (and more to come). Goes to show how much stuff there was that I hadn't seen. Looking now, TreyBo69 had IDed those playfield pics as Machine Age and they clearly match the footage from the older "playtime" video.
Quoted from Roostking:Sure does take a lot of balls, to start a pinball company!
Just don't forget to order some for the machines you sell!
Quoted from pinballguru:Not sure. My last visit to deeproot was in late 2019 before the pandemic. I never saw that playfield up & play-able. Visits to deeproot were always "whirlwind" with many events happening and many others visiting at the same time. Not much time to play other playfields.
Wowing potential investors, no doubt. Iceman coulda been one(Visitor, not investor) but Blobert wisely cancelled.
Ice coulda really blown the lid off a few years earlier to be honest.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Just don't forget to order some for the machines you sell!
Didn't see it on any whiteboards, so yea they didn't.
5 Days of deeproot. WTF was he thinking? Bringing this back up for laughs.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Would love to hear what Rey thought about that. Rarehero, any connection there?
I…don’t think so? 
Quoted from RCA1:Not sure if I was the first to see it, or if no one else was dumb enough to buy it.
This appeared on Pinball Life's website, and it looked pointless, so I bought it.
About 20 pages of minor CAD drawings.
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This honestly made me chuckle pretty good. I'd love to see the rest of the pages. Definitely an artist's attempt at engineering. Items needed: green solder mask... Sounds like the intent was to mill or etch these boards DIY style? Also love the RoHS and (improperly used) CE mark XD
Quoted from spooky_dj:This honestly made me chuckle pretty good. I'd love to see the rest of the pages. Definitely an artist's attempt at engineering. Items needed: green solder mask... Sounds like the intent was to mill or etch these boards DIY style? Also love the RoHS and (improperly used) CE mark XD
Oh there are a lot of silly drawings like that. There are dozens of unique engineering drawings of simple wire connectors.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Just don't forget to order some for the machines you sell!
Quoted from Roostking:Didn't see it on any whiteboards, so yea they didn't.
5 Days of deeproot. WTF was he thinking? Bringing this back up for laughs.
https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/deeproot-pinball-new-home-new-hires-5-days-deeproot-exclusive-follow-interview/
Here you go. This is the whiteboard photo I referenced during the Jpop pinballs story from the TPN deeproot episode.
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Here you go. This is the whiteboard photo I referenced during the Jpop pinballs story I told on the TPN deeproot episode.[quoted image]
The standout quote from that board is: How do we track budget ? ? ? ?
Answer: apparently you don’t
RM and Deeproot in a nutshell right there. The multiple question marks after are the cherry on top.
Quoted from pookycade:The standout quote from that board is: How do we track budget ?
Answer: you don’t
RM and Deeproot in a nutshell right there.
That's a great one. But hard to pick just one.
I also enjoy the interesting use of quotation marks in various places (including "pinballs").
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Here you go. This is the whiteboard photo I referenced during the Jpop pinballs story from the TPN deeproot episode.
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Yea, forgot about that. I wonder if the pinball "samples" arrived from Titan? Pinball, samples??? Also, John = JPop = JPOOP
TWIP: Are you concerned about over-promising and under-delivering?
Robert Mueller: LOL! No. Not at all. The bar is so low right now I think the bigger issue (for us) will be to continue to raise it after our launch.
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I don't know why they would need to buy parts from Steve Young, unless it's because they need old Gottlieb mechs for JPOP's re-used ideas from pinball machines from 50 years ago.
Quoted from toyotaboy:I don't know why they would need to buy parts from Steve Young, unless it's because they need old Gottlieb mechs for JPOP's re-used ideas from pinball machines from 50 years ago.
Steve sells a lot more than old Gottlieb parts and clearly he has seen some things.
Not fooled by Robert a bit, Steve has seen them come and go.
Steve already has good prices on his products. An OEM will most likely want a pretty big bulk discount, and that juice isn't worth the squeeze at times for a small manufacturer. I don't understand how some others like PBL are able to sell mechs to us peons at the prices they do and still turn a profit.
Quoted from Mr68:LMAO. I just envisioned Robert on the phone with Steve and not having any part numbers.
Oh shit that reminds me of when I got into the hobby.I called Steve for a part without p/n and he almost hurt my feelings.lol Steve doesn’t suffer fools!
Something else I wondered about Steve not wanting to work with them, I wonder if Black Hole 2 was Title TBD because they didn’t want to license the Black Hole IP to deeproot.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Something else I wondered about Steve not wanting to work with them, I wonder if Black Hole 2 was Title TBD because they didn’t want to license the Black Hole IP to deeproot.
I don’t think the IP is Steve’s to license, that stuff probably still belongs to Mondial, which in fact still exists and licenses stuff to steve for repros.
It’s probably as simple as already stated: they demanded a discount for bulk parts orders, on credit, and steve politely but curtly told them to go fuck themselves.
I’m shocked they didn’t put Otaku on payroll to trash PBR here over it.
Quoted from toyotaboy:I don't know why they would need to buy parts from Steve Young, unless it's because they need old Gottlieb mechs for JPOP's re-used ideas from pinball machines from 50 years ago.
Because he
1) Makes parts
2) Sells high quality pinball parts for all makes
3) is the best source for many components due to quality and value
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