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Quoted from ZNET:Tainted by Jpop. It's a theatre of no magic.[quoted image]
It needs to be purple.
They’ve got the most unexpected equipment. Why in the world did they buy a pick-and-place machine and an industrial grade reflow oven?
I’m half surprised they didn’t have a full PCB etching setup for 8-layer 3 mil trace/space with laser drills.
Have they never heard of PCB prototyping services???
Quoted from galore2112:They’ve got the most unexpected equipment. Why in the world did they buy a pick-and-place machine and an industrial grade reflow oven?
I’m half surprised they didn’t have a full PCB etching setup for 8-layer 3 mil trace/space with laser drills.
Have they never heard of PCB prototyping services???
Forgot who said it a few pages back, but it's pretty accurate so I'll say it again-- buying the stuff for a project is the fun part. Especially when you're paying for it with someone else's money. (Edit: It was KerryImming https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twip-is-deeproot-the-next-misadventure-or-a-pinball-revolution/page/579#post-6825839)
Robert was basically playing supermarket sweep with manufacturing equipment. The Pick and Place machine was his version of a frozen turkey.
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I'm a little curious about that big pile of paychex services envelopes.
I also see a sheet of paper with the warner bros logo on it with an "Amendments" header on it. Possible contract of some sort?
And something from "San Antonio Water Systems"
Quoted from frobozz:Don't forget the crazy power requirements most of it has too (read the data plates in the auction listings) You're not going to run an extension cord out of your house to your garage to fire those things up.
I actually have a 220v outlet in the garage.. I'm not sure what amperage it is but if I had to guess it's 30amp
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Hey, so now that we got some actual Deep Rooters chiming in, I'd love to get a little background on the RAZA "reveal" at that Houston show. What struck me about that whole thing was how fuckin weird and off-brand it was.
Mueller had been talking shit and making outrageous promises for years...and the "reveal" is to just plunk this thing into a C-level amusement show with zero fanfare. Like...no fireworks...no hype video...no press release...no TWIP interview...no San Antonio Spur players on hand. Nothing.
Just kind of crapped it out to the show and let people show up and trash it online because they couldn't make the ramp.
What was the process behind that? Was it a wildcat strike that Mueller didn't know about, from frustrated Deep Rooters who just wanted to get things moving? It was just about the most undeeproot thing and I can't wrap my mind around it.
Also, was the PinBar (the most revolutionary innovation in the history of pinball) intended and in development at that time, or was the lackluster reception to the big RAZA reveal a motivating factor there, to provide the level of excitement and pizazz people expected out of Deep Root after all those years of hype?
It was more of an exercise in “how much can we get Robert to compromise on features”. See what the people think about a simple non-pinbar no frills machine. Getting real world feedback was also good and show at least some of the work we had put in.
After the event was a shit show. Engineering team tried so hard (jpop included) to just build them as is and do pinbar in the next machine (or one after that). Robert said no we must have pinbar.
Pinbar was causing major issues for mechanical engineers since so much of the machine had to be modified (from a standard Williams cabinet) to get that to work. There were a lot of revisions of the whole assembly to get the pinbar to work. Lots of custom parts, etc.
Many left shortly after this.
Quoted from IMI4tth3w:Engineering team tried so hard (jpop included) to just build them as is and do pinbar in the next machine (or one after that).
You know you've screwed the pooch when even JPop is trying to dial back the needless "innovation."
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Hey, so now that we got some actual Deep Rooters chiming in, I'd love to get a little background on the RAZA "reveal" at that Houston show. What struck me about that whole thing was how fuckin weird and off-brand it was.
Mueller had been talking shit and making outrageous promises for years...and the "reveal" is to just plunk this thing into a C-level amusement show with zero fanfare. Like...no fireworks...no hype video...no press release...no TWIP interview...no San Antonio Spur players on hand. Nothing.
Just kind of crapped it out to the show and let people show up and trash it online because they couldn't make the ramp.
What was the process behind that? Was it a wildcat strike that Mueller didn't know about, from frustrated Deep Rooters who just wanted to get things moving? It was just about the most undeeproot thing and I can't wrap my mind around it.
Also, was the PinBar (the most revolutionary innovation in the history of pinball) intended and in development at that time, or was the lackluster reception to the big RAZA reveal a motivating factor there, to provide the level of excitement and pizazz people expected out of Deep Root after all those years of hype?
C-level amusement show? C'mon. It's not like Houston is some hick small town in the middle of nowhere. It's close to San Antonio and good opportunity to get feedback from different players. Show was packed and I only got a chance to play them a few times. It didn't seem like they were ready for a big reveal as there were a handful of Deeproot employees very active working on the two games keeping them running. From what I remember, these were considered early prototypes with custom playfields and typical cab designs. Production games were going to have some fancy playfields, different cabs, new tech, etc. We all know how that worked out. Granted, I don't think it's a good idea to announce or show a game midway through development but not totally strange to do so. What's strange to me is that the games seem to be close to production. It only seemed to need a little work but they couldn't even hand build a few dozen games.
Quoted from jawjaw:C-level amusement show? C'mon. It's not like Houston is some hick small town in the middle of nowhere. .
I just mean it's not one of the "Big Pinball Shows" like TPF or Expo. Among our community it's certainly not one of the shows that gets tongues wagging. Again...very un Deep Root! But now I understand why they did it. And why the aftermath was the real final nail in the coffin.
Quoted from IMI4tth3w:It was more of an exercise in “how much can we get Robert to compromise on features”.
Oh boy does that ever scream for a return to Pinside talent.
b805b270-5aab-11ea-aadf-55cbf1063218 (resized).jpgQuoted from pinball_ric:I actually have a 220v outlet in the garage.. I'm not sure what amperage it is but if I had to guess it's 30amp
Quoted from benheck:Some of the machines may require 3 phase (think Tesla Supercharger)
I had to add 220 to my garage for my CNC, but when I sell my house I can call it a "level 2 car charger port!"
My ME buddy/coworker bought a new full sized CNC for the extra bay in his garage, pretty sure it was in the range of $50K-$70K. I think the electricians were able to take 220V and run it thru some sort of converter which turned it into 3 phase. I recall him mentioning if they ran a true 3 phase line, the cost was up there a ways.
Quoted from mbwalker:My ME buddy/coworker bought a new full sized CNC for the extra bay in his garage, pretty sure it was in the range of $50K-$70K. I think the electricians were able to take 220V and run it thru some sort of converter which turned it into 3 phase. I recall him mentioning if they ran a true 3 phase line, the cost was up there a ways.
Depending on where you live, you may not even have 3 phase on the street. I don't at my house. However, it would behoove anyone that has big equipment to install 3-phase service, as it's usually a cheaper commercial rate.
Quoted from indypinhead:I have 4 cnc machining centers in my home shop. I have rotary phase converters, (15HP & 40HP) to provide the needed 3 phase.
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I’ve got a DeWalt contractor table saw with no stand, if you’re ever interested in trading.
Quoted from indypinhead:I have 4 cnc machining centers in my home shop. I have rotary phase converters, (15HP & 40HP) to provide the needed 3 phase.
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Holy Moley, that’s some serious firepower at home. What do you use equipment on?
Quoted from indypinhead:I have 4 cnc machining centers in my home shop. I have rotary phase converters, (15HP & 40HP) to provide the needed 3 phase.
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This just reminded me of how much i love the simplistic nature of the phase converter. Motors are magical things.
Quoted from mbwalker:My ME buddy/coworker bought a new full sized CNC for the extra bay in his garage, pretty sure it was in the range of $50K-$70K. I think the electricians were able to take 220V and run it thru some sort of converter which turned it into 3 phase. I recall him mentioning if they ran a true 3 phase line, the cost was up there a ways.
My garage CNC has the same thing, takes 220V single phase but there's a box that bumps it up to 3 phase for the spindle. But that's just for a few HP. Big stuff takes "real" 3 phase which isn't run in residential areas.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Holy Moley, that’s some serious firepower at home. What do you use equipment on?
I've been in manufacturing since "84. I've been a "one man show" since '90. I started my own business in '99.
I've been doing product development since '88. Almost all of my work is in the medical field.
Unfortunately, it looks like I'll be "forced into retirement" soon. My last customer just received FDA approval on their blood glucose product. It looks like they'll no longer be needing my services.
Quoted from pinball_ric:I actually have a 220v outlet in the garage.. I'm not sure what amperage it is but if I had to guess it's 30amp
The deeproot routers laugh at your 220V outlet. These aren't clothes dryers.
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from frobozz:The deeproot routers laugh at your 220V outlet. These aren't clothes dryers.[quoted image]
I work in a commercial building with 3 phase and that seems excessive, though my primary area of expertise is not CNC machines.
FYI most 3 phase motors can be internally switched from 460 volt to 208/220 volt moving some wiring leads about.
Quoted from IMI4tth3w:Pinbar was causing major issues for mechanical engineers since so much of the machine had to be modified (from a standard Williams cabinet) to get that to work.
That brings up a question I had - between the lift frame for the glass and the pinbar, did the size of the playfield glass vary from the standard dimensions? For instance when Bally did their lift-frame games the glass was shorter by a couple of inches. (This is going to be of particular interest to anyone bidding on those crates of playfield glass in the auction. Would suck to truck them home and find out they don't fit any games!)
Quoted from indypinhead:I have 4 cnc machining centers in my home shop. I have rotary phase converters, (15HP & 40HP) to provide the needed 3 phase.
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I have a cordless drill in mine, you win
Quoted from gdonovan:I work in a commercial building with 3 phase and that seems excessive, though my primary area of expertise is not CNC machines.
FYI most 3 phase motors can be internally switched from 460 volt to 208/220 volt moving some wiring leads about.
If you buy both the big CNC routers at the auction you'll need different voltages for each!
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from frobozz:It will be especially fun if some Pinside homebrewer buys the big sander and then asks an electrician to put power in their garage for it. 105A of 480 3 phase![quoted image]
I know what my 300k 3 phase generator puts out, thats some juice for a single piece of equipment.
Quoted from frobozz:That brings up a question I had - between the lift frame for the glass and the pinbar, did the size of the playfield glass vary from the standard dimensions? For instance when Bally did their lift-frame games the glass was shorter by a couple of inches. (This is going to be of particular interest to anyone bidding on those crates of playfield glass in the auction. Would suck to truck them home and find out they don't fit any games!)
I'm surprised Mueller didn't decide that deeproot should be manufacturing their own glass too...
Maybe they should have grown their own wood for the cabinets.
Quoted from mbeardsley:I'm surprised Mueller didn't decide that deeproot should be manufacturing their own glass too...
Maybe they should have grown their own wood for the cabinets.
He could have added "vertical integration" to his pitch deck buzzwords.
Quoted from frolic:He could have added "vertical integration" to his pitch deck buzzwords.
I am actually surprised he did not create separate companies for the electronics, playfield and cabinet manufacturing. He probably would have needed an upgraded Quickbooks license to to keep them all straight.
Quoted from frobozz:It will be especially fun if some Pinside homebrewer buys the big sander and then asks an electrician to put power in their garage for it. 105A of 480 3 phase![quoted image]
There’s always something like this 100kW generator (it can do 480V three phase) which pairs nicely with this hobby sander.
634CD62A-78CD-4F19-A292-858667EA0E11 (resized).jpegQuoted from galore2112:There’s always something like this 100kW generator which pairs nicely with that hobby sander.
That sounds expensive, but is actually quite reasonable after you apply your Norwall Club rewards.
Quoted from frobozz:It will be especially fun if some Pinside homebrewer buys the big sander and then asks an electrician to put power in their garage for it. 105A of 480 3 phase![quoted image]
I called the power company to ask about 480v 3 phase for an industrial robotic arm in my home shop and they said no, lol. 
Quoted from DOOOMTRAIN:I don’t think it’s a bad idea, honestly. It’s just not exciting when you first hear it. I was much more excited about working on Merlin’s because that meant designing knights, castles, and medieval stuff that sounds really dramatic. But that’s kinda what I grew to love about Food Truck. It’s a quirky, silly theme that’s not trying to be flashy, or super badass.
The thing is, you haven’t seen most of the art. Maybe you’ve seen some of the animation, and a bad print out of one side cab option, and the backglass, but there’s a lot more art that people haven’t seen that is really cool.
I was commenting about the cab art in one of the pictures posted. Too cartoony IMO. Like Levi mentioned, it sounded stupid at first, but could be pulled off. Definitely better than what RAZA ended up being.
Thanks for sharing your stories, keep it up.
The first wave of auction items are scheduled to wrap up in the next 30 minutes. The last wave within the next seven hours. Only three lots have bids eclipsing $10k. The forklift and two big ass machines.
Banning this is not. The deeproot auction is more like the deeproot of auctions.
Who the hell is bidding $305+18% =$360 + 8.25% tax on a large white erase board?
They're $350 brand new: https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/96w-40h-mobile-reversible-magnetic-whiteboard
Quoted from littlecammi:That sounds expensive, but is actually quite reasonable after you apply your Norwall Club rewards.
Actually, MSRP is $0 and you “save” -$30,224.00, emphasis on the minus.
I don’t use my Norwall Club membership and get it for $0 muahahaha!
Quoted from RyanStl:I was commenting about the cab art in one of the pictures posted. Too cartoony IMO. Like Levi mentioned, it sounded stupid at first, but could be pulled off. Definitely better than what RAZA ended up being.
A refreshing change from the typical "hardcore aggro badass (and also/ if not combined with/ dadrock)" themes that seem rule the day. I wonder if part of the reason Godzilla is so overwhelmingly popular is because even though on the surface it's about a monster tearing shit up like a badass, its core is stupid and silly and campy with appropriate humor to boot.
The most beloved classics all have an underlying humorous, not-taking-themselves-too-seriously element that simply conveys FUN.
The art seemed to imply Food Truck was going for that kind of madcap WTFery, if a bit over the top. Too bad we'll never see how it could have tied together.
Quoted from Inside:Who the hell is bidding $305+18% =$360 + 8.25% tax on a large white erase board?
They're $350 brand new: https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/96w-40h-mobile-reversible-magnetic-whiteboard
WELCOME to the Banning horde!
Quoted from Inside:Who the hell is bidding $305+18% =$360 + 8.25% tax on a large white erase board?
They're $350 brand new: https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/96w-40h-mobile-reversible-magnetic-whiteboard
But that white board comes pre-printed trade secrets!
If I had the money and inclination, I would just sweep this auction and sell all the stuff as props to the inevitable streaming series on this. Actually having all the garbage from the actual DR place would add to "authenticity" and should be cheaper than having to go get props for everything
Quoted from goingincirclez:...stupid and silly and campy with appropriate humor to boot.
The most beloved classics all have an underlying humorous, not-taking-themselves-too-seriously element that simply conveys FUN.
For sure! Batman 66, Deadpool, AFM, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash... all owe their success at least in part to the way they don't take themselves too seriously. I think part of the reason I don't even care to play Avengers Infinity Quest is that I know I'm not going to find myself smiling much.
I'd argue that's why Guardians of the Galaxy (the movie) was such a hit when it came out, establishing the (now) trope of using genre music to lighten the mood, working in more humor than drama, etc.
Quoted from JStoltz:For sure! Batman 66, Deadpool, AFM, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash... all owe their success at least in part to the way they don't take themselves too seriously. I think part of the reason I don't even care to play Avengers Infinity Quest is that I know I'm not going to find myself smiling much.
I'd argue that's why Guardians of the Galaxy (the movie) was such a hit when it came out, establishing the (now) trope of using genre music to lighten the mood, working in more humor than drama, etc.
James Gunn knows how to make a fun movie. His The Suicide Squad movie or Peacemaker show could be a fun pin theme. He's working on a Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner movie now (also a great pinball theme)
Hey all, I'm working on a Jpop episode for Silverball Chronicles: A Pinball History Podcast on TPN (www.silverballchronicles.com)
I'm always looking for primary source when referencing quotes, a persons frame of mind etc... when doing my research. There was an old Coast 2 Coast Pinball episode (Episode 197 "An Evening With John Popadiuk") from Sep 26, 2015. This podcast was removed from the internet sometime around the Zidware Law suit/Deeproot take over I think. I can't find a copy of it meddling around online...
Does anyone around here have a copy of this podcast I can have?
I want to know the final bid on the water bottles. It's up to $280 for 50 or so water bottles. Someone local is going to snag those and sell them for profits.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:The first wave of auction items are scheduled to wrap up in the next 30 minutes. The last wave within the next seven hours. Only three lots have bids eclipsing $10k. The forklift and two big ass machines.
Banning this is not. The deeproot auction is more like the deeproot of auctions.
So our expected "50k by Friday" RAZAs ain't happening?
Quoted from benheck:So our expected "50k by Friday" RAZAs ain't happening?
Oh whomever buys it will repost it for sale here for $50k
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I want to know the final bid on the water bottles. It's up to $280 for 50 or so water bottles. Someone local is going to snag those and sell them for profits.
They went for $280
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