Alice in Wonderland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2013
Celts
Haggis, 2021
Magic Girl
Zidware Pinball USA, 2017
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2012
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Arcade Edition)
Deeproot, 2020
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Xtra Edition)
Deeproot, 2020So on this photo
I see some people assuming that's food truck on the right. It's not. Food Truck is this
In that first photo, I don't know what the game on the right is supposed to be. My educated guess is the game on the left was to be Merlins Arcade, an update of Eight Ball Deluxe.
Quoted from TreyBo69:So on this photo
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I see some people assuming that's food truck on the right. It's not. Food Truck is this
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In that first photo, I don't know what the game on the right is supposed to be.
go back to the pitch deck descriptions of future games to see which one(s) had a lower playfield?
PinBar is an Old Man Idea (tm)
"Oh how do we get da kids to play the pinball? I know let's make it look like one of those eye pad thingies..."
Completely missing the point that young people are fascinated with mechanical objects BECAUSE they'd grown up in a sterile, touch pad world.
So now that we're starting to get to see more of the goods, anyone have their eye on anything for which they're actually thinking of submitting bids?
I suppose easy for me to ask since I have zero interest or bidding plans.
Quoted from benheck:Someone will pay stupid money for the RAZA. Apparently they built 2, not sure where other one is (a programmer maybe?)
They're both in there now. It just took time to get through everything
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:So now that we're starting to get to see more of the goods, anyone have their eye on anything for which they're actually thinking of submitting bids?
I suppose easy for me to ask since I have zero interest or bidding plans.
If I was local to the area, I would def want to pick up a cheap work bench, an oscilloscope if it's a good price, and maybe some of the unused tools. I don't have much interest in any of the pinball stuff itself, besides maybe getting one of their 3D printed sculps as a memento. I don't want an unusable whitewood...
"Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh." - Al Swearengen, DEADWOOD
That being said, since there's little chance I'll win anyway, I'll probably throw my hat in the ring for the water bottles (I was hoping for mugs, but water bottles would work), but I suspect they won't go for cheap.
Quoted from Mr68:I'd settle for an old style 60 Minute ambush interview. I love those wide-eyed, fight-or-flight reactions.
Maybe an old school Dateline interview after he gets sentenced.
F40BFECD-5E64-4E95-A8B9-AE2376B64192.gifI'm actually hoping those gents in Europe that brought that Magic Girl to life will win the RAZA and do the same... Wishful thinking, I'm sure.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The Pinbar: the most exciting innovation in pinball history!!!!! They actually said that.
It's been over a year since this ridiculous reveal and I remember the laughter like it was yesterday. I also remember people trying to convince themselves that, yes, the 4-button menu diagnostic system is impossibly complicated, beyond the reach of all but the brightest minds on the planet, and this pinbar monstrosity was indeed the solution.
As much as I enjoy your Deeproot degradation this is the first I’ve seen anyways that the screen appears to stay on the cabinet. Look at the custom side cuts for the lift glass assembly while your at it…
Quoted from benheck:I wouldn't take this garbage for free. These IPs are worth NOTHING. Less than nothing (liability) as they're now attached to 2 bankruptcies and the
Someone will pay stupid money for the RAZA. Apparently they built 2, not sure where other one is (a programmer maybe?)
...hi Ben, how do you feel about the fact that listed on the deeproot auction site is an Americas Most Haunted pinball machine, as they are auctioning off all assets within the building and apparently this was a pin Robert/deeproot owned?
Quoted from Stuieb84:...hi Ben, how do you feel about the fact that listed on the deeproot auction site is an Americas Most Haunted pinball machine, as they are auctioning off all assets within the building and apparently this was a pin Robert/deeproot owned?
Screenshot_20220309-123353_Samsung Internet (resized).jpgQuoted from TreyBo69:Space Cadet
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I thought we identified a different games as that homage?
Space Cadet is a video pinball.
I guess they tried to make the game a reality.
Isn’t this about the time where Greatwich chimes in to tell us about the secret cabal who will swoop in, buy all these whitewoods and make a mint on having 10 new games ready to go ?
I went thru the auction items. What most strikes me is how many chairs they had. I mean seriously there must have been 200+ chairs. The theater alone was 50. Why do you need so many chairs ? And then the mini Jesus picture. I’m not bidding on anything else than that. You want irony …. all wrapped up in that one picture right there. You know it probably hung in Robert’s office. The only thing missing is a WWJD bumper sticker. And the answer to that question is none of what DR and Robert did here.
Quoted from pookycade:I went thru the auction items. What most strikes me is how many chairs they had. I mean seriously there must have been 200+ chairs. The theater alone was 50. Why do you need so many chairs ?
There was a lot of sitting around over the years.
Hence the chairs. Hence the lightly used office gym.
Just came across a podcast from February that Jeff Teolis recorded with Barry Oursler only a handful of days his passing. Barry speaks some about his designs and time at deeproot.
https://www.pinballprofile.com/episode-337-thank-you-barry-oursler/
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Just came across a podcast from February that Jeff Teolis recorded with Barry Oursler only a handful of days his passing. Barry speaks some about his designs and time at deeproot.
https://www.pinballprofile.com/episode-337-thank-you-barry-oursler/
Thanks blueberryjohnson for the link.
Wouldn't it be funny if some of the manufacturing equipment or tools went to Spooky. Completing the circle of irony.
Quoted from soren:Wouldn't it be funny if some of the manufacturing equipment or tools went to Spooky. Completing the circle of irony.
Maybe if stuff is going super cheap we'll throw a bid in there. We honestly have most of this stuff already though. Granted, our tools have some wear from actually being used 
As an EE, I was oogling at the pick and place machine; it's a lot fancier than ours, but also waaaaay overkill for anything we do. Would cause more problems than it's worth.
Maybe we'll buy our AMH back though
I recommend you grab those shaker motors, put them in random games with a sticker saying "A limited edition shaker motor". Ha ha ha ha. If it wasn't for a sad story where a lot of people got robbed and lied to, it would actually be quite funny.
It's amazing seeing those photos of one bad decision after the next.
Let me ask this of the thread...
Can anyone speak to a single decision made at deeproot that made sense or was pragmatic? I'm being totally serious.
Quoted from frolic:It's amazing seeing those photos of one bad decision after the next.
Let me ask this of the thread...
Can anyone speak to a single decision made at deeproot that made sense or was pragmatic? I'm being totally serious.
Declaring bankruptcy?
Quoted from Mr68:Pleading the 5th
Yes, this probably qualifies as the best decision Robert has made throughout this whole thing.
This is a bankruptcy case ATM correct? Doesn't a person/entity have to be completely forthcoming to be granted a bankruptcy? Robert didn't answer anything.
What happens if the debt isn't absolved? Is that another avenue of it becoming criminal?
Quoted from benheck:This is a bankruptcy case ATM correct? Doesn't a person/entity have to be completely forthcoming to be granted a bankruptcy? Robert didn't answer anything.
What happens if the debt isn't absolved? Is that another avenue of it becoming criminal?
We saw with Kulek that he was never absolved, which meant creditors (the pinside lawyer) kept after him for everything, including his kids Christmas presents. I think that all died on the vine though because it wasn’t like some dentist trying to hide a boat. There was nothing much to go after.
Although this is not a personal bankruptcy case, only the corp.
Quoted from mbeardsley:Yes, this probably qualifies as the best decision Robert has made throughout this whole thing.
Yep and he took the 5th about 900 times which does help bring his overall average up. Goldstar for his resume going forward. (in his mind)
But to Frolic's point, I'm at a loss to any other decisions Robert made that made sense. In fact, I remember several stunning, WTF moments. And Robert spoke about them so boldly and confidently he had me racking my brain trying to make sense of it all.
I sometime wonder, even today, where Robert's hubris comes from. It's been portrayed that he is being arrogant and flippant with the judge in the case of his lifetime.
I love it because I want to see him go down, but what an idiot.
Quoted from benheck:This is a bankruptcy case ATM correct? Doesn't a person/entity have to be completely forthcoming to be granted a bankruptcy? Robert didn't answer anything.
What happens if the debt isn't absolved? Is that another avenue of it becoming criminal?
There is a bankruptcy case, a civil case with the SEC, and seems to be a criminal case on the way.
Quoted from frolic:Can anyone speak to a single decision made at deeproot that made sense or was pragmatic? I'm being totally serious.
He hired at least SOME experienced people. He just didn’t Put them in charge or have enough of them in the right spots.
Quoted from LORDDREK:As much as I enjoy your Deeproot degradation this is the first I’ve seen anyways that the screen appears to stay on the cabinet. Look at the custom side cuts for the lift glass assembly while your at it…
That's a good observation...the previous time we saw the mighty Pinbar (tm) in action, it raised right up with the playfield, making it absolutely useless for diagnostics whenever the playfield was raised (brilliant!!!!).
Every tiny mistake (and they made a ton, all the time) sent these people back to the drawing board for months. Given unlimited time, unlimited money, and the Feds no being on their backs...would they have EVER produced an actual pinball machine?
Quoted from mbeardsley:Yes, this probably qualifies as the best decision Robert has made throughout this whole thing.
I'm sure they were his lawyers idea. Robert probably wanted to go up there and profess his innocence and his greatness, his lawyer said that's not a good idea, sit down shut up.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:That's a good observation...the previous time we saw the mighty Pinbar (tm) in action, it raised right up with the playfield, making it absolutely useless for diagnostics whenever the playfield was raised (brilliant!!!!).
Every tiny mistake (and they made a ton, all the time) sent these people back to the drawing board for months. Given unlimited time, unlimited money, and the Feds no being on their backs...would they have EVER produced an actual pinball machine?
The screen always stayed stationary in front of the cabinet as far as I can recall
Quoted from TreyBo69:The screen always stayed stationary in front of the cabinet as far as I can recall
No there were def some photos of Mueller with the playfield raised, pinbar and all...posted here in this thread! I believe I mentioned how moronic it is.
I've done diagnostics on hundreds of WPC/System 11 games, and sometimes you want to be able to access the buttons and/or look at the screen while doing diagnostics.
Thanks to the miraculous pinbar (tm), you can no longer do either!
But looks like they were "working" on this issue. Along with 5 billion other problems created by all of their innovative tech.
pbr (resized).jpgQuoted from CrazyLevi:No there were def some photos of Mueller with the playfield raised, pinbar and all...posted here in this thread! I believe I mentioned how moronic it is.
I've done diagnostics on hundreds of WPC/System 11 games, and sometimes you want to be able to access the buttons and/or look at the screen while doing diagnostics.
Thanks to the miraculous pinbar (tm), you can no longer do either!
But looks like they were "working" on this issue. Along with 5 billion other problems created by all of their innovative tech.
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Oh yeah you're right. I thought you meant it went up with the glass part.
In this regard, it's about the same as current games. Lift the playfield and block the screen
Nothing much in the Deeproot video, but fast forward to the 15:10 minute mark to reference Deeproot employee referencing pinside complaints about their playfields looking like the surface of the moon.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:No there were def some photos of Mueller with the playfield raised, pinbar and all...posted here in this thread! I believe I mentioned how moronic it is.
I've done diagnostics on hundreds of WPC/System 11 games, and sometimes you want to be able to access the buttons and/or look at the screen while doing diagnostics.
Thanks to the miraculous pinbar (tm), you can no longer do either!
But looks like they were "working" on this issue. Along with 5 billion other problems created by all of their innovative tech.
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Quoted from TreyBo69:Oh yeah you're right. I thought you meant it went up with the glass part.
In this regard, it's about the same as current games. Lift the playfield and block the screen
Fast forward to about 6 minutes in that yourube video and you can see that the touchscreen was still attached to the playfield at the time of the deeproot 6 visit.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Oh yeah you're right. I thought you meant it went up with the glass part.
In this regard, it's about the same as current games. Lift the playfield and block the screen
Nah. You can peer around the playfield if it's all the way up. If it's not fully raised against the backbox it's super easy to see the screen. And, regardless, forget about using the "buttons" if the playfield is raised at all. Like I said, I use diagnostics all the time on games with the playfield raised, it ain't rocket science.
It was a seriously stupid design decision, and sums up how dumb the Pinbar (tm) was. It was a "solution" in search of a problem that was far less useful, reliable, and practical than what came before.
Basically, it was the perfect "deep root tech" and summed up everything they did in one convinient laugher.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Nah. You can peer around the playfield if it's all the way up. If it's not fully raised against the backbox it's super easy to see the screen. And, regardless, forget about using the "buttons" if the playfield is raised at all.
It was a seriously stupid design decision, and sums up how dumb the Pinbar (tm) was. It was a "solution" in search of a problem that was far less useful, reliable, and practical than what came before.
Basically, it was the perfect "deep root tech" and summed up everything they did in one convinient laugher.
Watching Cary's footage, it seems like they didnt even finish programing in the service menus at the time. So it's even more worthless than it first appears
Quoted from frolic:from Cary's video, good shot of the pinbar in raised mode.
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I'm sure they were working on some three-mirror system that folds out like an airplane dinner tray, and some remote buttons inside the coin door to solve this "problem."
It's all so Deep Root.
Quoted from davjoszie:I wonder how many shitty Whitewoods they planned on making before shipping one single pin?
Looks exactly like the state of affairs at Zidware the one time I visited. John had at least four titles in various states of "development."
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Poor Steve sounds embarrassed (understandably):
Oh. Seems like a recurring pattern at DR (I'm not at the point in the video where the scoop won't kick out and the drain doesn't register balls).
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