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#27351 5 months ago
Quoted from toyotaboy:

the scene just before this, he's driving "rad mobile" which wouldn't actually work like a steering wheel like he's showing
This guy turned a power glove into something useful, a stop animation tool

“rad racer”! Wait what do you mean? That scene is one of the only parts that’s accurate.

#27352 5 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

“rad racer”!

dam you're right, bad typo. I loved both games. The NES game played odd where you could actually use bumping the car in front of you to your advantage by bumping you away from the turn. Rad mobile was only fun if it was the full sitdown with motors. First game to show sonic the hedgehog before it was even a game

#27353 5 months ago
Quoted from vdojaq:

Does anyone actually know what the record is for downvotes in a single post?

On Pinside, I think my buddy Andrew Heighway is at least a contender.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/alien-pinball-official-game-thread/page/426#post-4364220

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#27354 5 months ago

Don't forget.... ROAD RASH!!!!!

#27355 5 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

Don't forget.... ROAD RASH!!!!!

3DO had great cut scenes though.. and THREE DEE!

#27356 5 months ago
Quoted from frobozz:

Novel idea? Apparently you've never worked on an Atari Hercules! I have nightmares about wriggling under one on a nasty beer-soaked carpet...

You HOPE it was beer......

#27357 5 months ago

What about wriggling INSIDE of one?

#27358 5 months ago

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.

There are a number of cases within the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division bankruptcy court.

deeproot 575 Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51517
deeproot BonusGrowth 5 Year Debenture Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51519
deeproot Capital Management, LLC 5:2021bk51523
deeproot Funds, LLC 5:2021bk51521
deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51516
deeproot Pinball, LLC 5:2021bk51515 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61607963/deeproot-pinball-llc/)
deeproot Studios, LLC 5:2021bk51522 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608012/deeproot-studios-llc/)
deeproot Tech, LLC 5:2021bk51520 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608014/deeproot-tech-llc/)

****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

#27359 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

Between RM emptying the bank, his lawyer, and his living allowance, realistically, is there ANY money left to be shared by creditors?

#27360 5 months ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

They also offered to buy back anything that was unsold because of how burnt retailers were with shovelware crap games in recent years. That's what really made the retailers give them a limited trial in 1985.
Nintendo had a lot of really smart ideas to fix what caused the video game industry to nearly collapse on itself at the time.
And once Nintendo became popular, then they put the screws into their retail partners and third party software developers...
Sega put a Mattel toy executive in charge to make the Genesis a hit.

On that (off-)topic, highly recommended read. Just finished in a week, I couldn't put it down.

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#27361 5 months ago
Quoted from JimWilks:

Between RM emptying the bank, his lawyer, and his living allowance, realistically, is there ANY money left to be shared by creditors?

The bankruptcy petition for deeproot Tech states that they have $1-10M in assets and $500k-$1M in liabilities which means that technically... yes there is money. However, it's not clear what those assets are. I don't know anything about bankruptcy law, but googling tells me that they're supposed to file a list of assets with the court. We should be able to take a look and see what DR is claiming as assets. I'm going to go ahead and guess that the value of everything is being inflated.

#27362 5 months ago

Oh... very interesting.

If you file a bankruptcy case then most other civil lawsuits (again: not criminal lawsuits) against you are automatically stayed (put on pause) until the bankruptcy case is completed or if, in rare cases, the bankruptcy court allows the other cases to proceed.

I'm learning so much about corporate legal chicanery here.

#27364 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.
There are a number of cases within the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division bankruptcy court.
deeproot 575 Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51517
deeproot BonusGrowth 5 Year Debenture Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51519
deeproot Capital Management, LLC 5:2021bk51523
deeproot Funds, LLC 5:2021bk51521
deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51516
deeproot Pinball, LLC 5:2021bk51515 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61607963/deeproot-pinball-llc/)
deeproot Studios, LLC 5:2021bk51522 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608012/deeproot-studios-llc/)
deeproot Tech, LLC 5:2021bk51520 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608014/deeproot-tech-llc/)
****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

Which inning is this?

#27365 5 months ago

The "deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund" has to be one of the most awful sounding names for an investment fund I have heard.

What do they invest in? Uh.... deep Deep Growth?

#27366 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.
There are a number of cases within the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division bankruptcy court.
deeproot 575 Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51517
deeproot BonusGrowth 5 Year Debenture Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51519
deeproot Capital Management, LLC 5:2021bk51523
deeproot Funds, LLC 5:2021bk51521
deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51516
deeproot Pinball, LLC 5:2021bk51515 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61607963/deeproot-pinball-llc/)
deeproot Studios, LLC 5:2021bk51522 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608012/deeproot-studios-llc/)
deeproot Tech, LLC 5:2021bk51520 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608014/deeproot-tech-llc/)
****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

One of the bankruptcy documents had a organizational chart:

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#27367 5 months ago

Don’t they have to account for Deeproot Capital source in this bankruptcy? If they did, it would show $60M liability for investor money. Maybe listed under another name but you would have an incomplete pic if ignored. Irony - one time you’d want to show a gynormous loss and then don’t? RM is not on his A game lately.

#27368 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Oh... very interesting.
If you file a bankruptcy case then most other civil lawsuits (again: not criminal lawsuits) against you are automatically stayed (put on pause) until the bankruptcy case is completed or if, in rare cases, the bankruptcy court allows the other cases to proceed.
I'm learning so much about corporate legal chicanery here.

I think that’s how things against SkitB Kevin went down. Not that KK had other charges coming that I can even remember at this point, but the BK process seemed to put everything on hold.

If KK made the BK process struggle with the “I have no idea about anything” defense, I wonder what dazzling BS RM will come up with.

#27369 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Oh... very interesting.
If you file a bankruptcy case then most other civil lawsuits (again: not criminal lawsuits) against you are automatically stayed (put on pause) until the bankruptcy case is completed or if, in rare cases, the bankruptcy court allows the other cases to proceed.
I'm learning so much about corporate legal chicanery here.

Where a separate civil suit is designed to add or recoup an asset to the benefit of the debtor in bankruptcy, the bankruptcy court will routinely lift the automatic stay and appoint the separate attorney as special counsel to pursue the asset.

In contrast, civil suits designed to deplete the bankrupt entity will not be allowed and the bankruptcy court will not lift the automatic stay.

#27370 5 months ago
Quoted from ZNET:

Where a separate civil suit is designed to add or recoup an asset to the benefit of the debtor in bankruptcy, the bankruptcy court will routinely lift the automatic stay and appoint the separate attorney as special counsel to pursue the asset.
In contrast, civil suits designed to deplete the bankrupt entity will not be allowed and the bankruptcy court will not lift the automatic stay.

So how do we know which one this situation is?

#27371 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.
There are a number of cases within the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division bankruptcy court.
deeproot 575 Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51517
deeproot BonusGrowth 5 Year Debenture Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51519
deeproot Capital Management, LLC 5:2021bk51523
deeproot Funds, LLC 5:2021bk51521
deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51516
deeproot Pinball, LLC 5:2021bk51515 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61607963/deeproot-pinball-llc/)
deeproot Studios, LLC 5:2021bk51522 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608012/deeproot-studios-llc/)
deeproot Tech, LLC 5:2021bk51520 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608014/deeproot-tech-llc/)
****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

Inside what's your process for finding new deeproot-related cases?

#27372 5 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

So how do we know which one this situation is?

If by "this situation" you mean persons who lost pre-order deposits or investors who lost investment funds, they would have civil recourse against the bankrupt entity only upon the bankruptcy court lifting the automatic stay. There is no reason for the bankruptcy court to allow such civil suits.

#27373 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.

Have we reached the 5th day of deeproot then?

#27374 5 months ago

Ouch

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#27375 5 months ago

So there's absolutely nothing left. He should be in jail.

Serious question for attorneys: if a defendant represents him/herself in the proceedings, can they charge a fee to themselves for this service ? It would seem courts would be on to this type of thing.

#27376 5 months ago

see, that gas can in the back wasn't to burn the place down, you need to have insurance in order to pull an insurance scam

#27377 5 months ago

Did the farewell dinosaur thing get brought to light yet?

#27378 5 months ago
Quoted from DudeRegular:

Did the farewell dinosaur thing get brought to light yet?

Blueberry can fill you in on that I think. Not much substance there. Regarding the document above, it is of note that Robert/Deeproot did send the majority of the expensive workstations and render farm nodes to a different location before the shiz hit the fan. Those had a value of upwards of 100k.

#27379 5 months ago
Quoted from Scandell:

Blueberry can fill you in on that I think. Not much substance there. Regarding the document above, it is of note that Robert/Deeproot did send the majority of the expensive workstations and render farm nodes to a different location before the shiz hit the fan. Those had a value of upwards of 100k.

“A different location?” Like his living room?

#27380 5 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

“A different location?” Like his living room?

He better not have...that in itself would likely be a crime.
You can't just take corporate assets for yourself, especially if the corporation is about to declare bankruptcy.

When a company that I was working for went out of business, I asked the owner if I could have the PC I used "in lieu of severance pay", but he said that all assets had to be locked down and inventoried (even stupid stuff like pens and copy paper). I'm certain he would have let me keep it if he could.

#27381 5 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

So there's absolutely nothing left. He should be in jail.

So that sheet was for Deeproot pinball, not his financial business. There's still 10 million in insurance policies owned by the funds, but once they're liquidated to pay back the shareholders/investors (in part, not whole), there won't be anything left that's for sure.

I still can't believe how he operated with the funds as a 'slush' fund. 60 million dollars and not an ounce of real accounting. He was going to jail the entire time, from 2015 on, based on this behavior.

#27382 5 months ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

He better not have...that in itself would likely be a crime.
You can't just take corporate assets for yourself, especially if the corporation is about to declare bankruptcy.

It ties into the farewell dinosaur venture. After the closure of the Utah office, it is my understanding that Robert “distributed“ the lion share of the computer workstations and render nodes to a company called “FutureHouse Studios”. Again it is my understanding that this was done because Robert could not afford to break some of the horribly written contracts to one of his senior employees.
So he had to negotiate.

#27383 5 months ago

What was the motivation for Robert giving out these insanely good contracts?

Seems odd considering how much he loved threatening people, NDAa, suing ex-employees etc.

#27384 5 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

What was the motivation for Robert giving out these insanely good contracts?
Seems odd considering how much he loved threatening people, NDAa, suing ex-employees etc.

Makes sense to me, promise the moon to hook them. Threaten to sue to keep them.

#27385 5 months ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

Makes sense to me, promise the moon to hook them. Threaten to sue to keep them.

When somebody brings NOTHING to the table...they have to make promises to allure a certain caliber of talent.

#27386 5 months ago
Quoted from DudeRegular:

Did the farewell dinosaur thing get brought to light yet?

Quoted from Scandell:

Blueberry can fill you in on that I think.

Someone fill us in. Even if it's been overhyped, there's been too much dangled around "Farewell Dinosaur" to not be interested to hear it.

#27387 5 months ago
Quoted from Scandell:

Regarding the document above, it is of note that Robert/Deeproot did send the majority of the expensive workstations and render farm nodes to a different location before the shiz hit the fan. Those had a value of upwards of 100k.

I wonder how that transfer of assets will go over in bankruptcy court? Seems like someone could make the case that they get clawed back.

#27388 5 months ago
Quoted from frolic:

I wonder how that transfer of assets will go over in bankruptcy court? Seems like someone could make the case that they get clawed back.

See, it sounds bad to us because we aren't scummy criminals.

To Robert, it's just another day at the office!

#27389 5 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Serious question for attorneys: if a defendant represents him/herself in the proceedings, can they charge a fee to themselves for this service ? It would seem courts would be on to this type of thing.

In 99% of the circumstances, a pro se litigant who holds a license to practice law cannot recoup fees representing the value of services rendered to himself/herself.

In the exceptional case where a law firm defends itself from a frivolous suit, a court in NJ may award the value of such services to the aggrieved party.

#27390 5 months ago
Quoted from benheck:

Don't forget.... ROAD RASH!!!!!

Road Rash became really impressive once I learned that the whole thing ran on an interrupt hook.

#27391 5 months ago

Maxed out on screentime from work today. Will put together the remaining dinosaur details and an inventory of new pacer stuff Tuesday

#27392 5 months ago
Quoted from ZNET:

In 99% of the circumstances, a pro se litigant who holds a license to practice law cannot recoup fees representing the value of services rendered to himself/herself.
In the exceptional case where a law firm defends itself from a frivolous suit, a court in NJ may award the value of such services to the aggrieved party.

I figured as much. thank you!

#27393 5 months ago

So there's a full list (70 pages) of creditors. JPOP is in there!

The grift continues

- link removed due to privacy concerns -

#27394 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

So there's a full list (70 pages) of creditors. JPOP is in there!
The grift continues
- link removed due to privacy concerns -

Also home addresses to a lot of recognizable people. Maybe some things should be redacted from public court filings

#27395 5 months ago
Quoted from Inside:

Looks like the deeproot businesses have filed for bankruptcy.
There are a number of cases within the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division bankruptcy court.
deeproot 575 Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51517
deeproot BonusGrowth 5 Year Debenture Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51519
deeproot Capital Management, LLC 5:2021bk51523
deeproot Funds, LLC 5:2021bk51521
deeproot Growth Runs Deep Fund, LLC 5:2021bk51516
deeproot Pinball, LLC 5:2021bk51515 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61607963/deeproot-pinball-llc/)
deeproot Studios, LLC 5:2021bk51522 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608012/deeproot-studios-llc/)
deeproot Tech, LLC 5:2021bk51520 (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61608014/deeproot-tech-llc/)
****IF YOU ARE A CREDITOR**** You should probably follow these cases and attend the creditors meeting, etcetc. These meetings are very early in January. If you don't, you will end up not getting paid once the bankruptcy is completed!

Is anyone seriously surprised by this??? Really???

Jaz

#27396 5 months ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

Also home addresses to a lot of recognizable people. Maybe some things should be redacted from public court filings

Yea been thru this personally back in the early 2000s with an organization. Didn't think of it much back then but nowadays...

Jaz

#27397 5 months ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

Also home addresses to a lot of recognizable people. Maybe some things should be redacted from public court filings

Man, definitely agree. One of my biggest surprises/takeaways from loosely following all of this is how public so much of this information is.

Quoted from Inside:

So there's a full list (70 pages) of creditors. JPOP is in there!
The grift continues
- link removed due to privacy concerns -

Hah-- "Kirby's Beer Store Bell" is one of the creditors...

Buying dive-bar beer on credit? Warning sign, imo! https://www.kirbysbeerstore.com/

#27398 5 months ago

Yeah the modern internet has no privacy and a curious mind like mine is a google search away from seeing recent real estate photos of a certain ex-employees selling their homes. The internet is simultaneously the best and worst thing.

#27399 5 months ago
Quoted from JStoltz:

Hah-- "Kirby's Beer Store Bell" is one of the creditors...

Buying dive-bar beer on credit? Warning sign, imo! https://www.kirbysbeerstore.com/

The beer store is in Kansas...I am guessing the owner ordered a RAZA. Everyone who is owed a machine appears to be on the creditor list.

#27400 5 months ago
Quoted from JStoltz:

Man, definitely agree. One of my biggest surprises/takeaways from loosely following all of this is how public so much of this information is.

It's a blessing and a curse. We were able to dig up a lot of various information and tangents related to Robert by searching public county records. Some of them major red flags that were helpful in tipping his hand in just how fudged he was.

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