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Deeproot, 2020There is lots of room for small operations to enter the market. Tap into those that have experience working on pinball machines & products. Some of us are very open to help out. Others do not want to see any more competition or drive out some of the smaller ones. Bad for pinball, more the better in my opinion.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:There is lots of room for small operations to enter the market. Tap into those that have experience working on pinball machines & products. Some of us are very open to help out. Others do not want to see any more competition or drive out some of the smaller ones. Bad for pinball, more the better in my opinion.
The answer, as with most things, is "it depends."
Are they dedicated folks who want to make a living while putting out a quality product, or are they potential dreamers and scammers?
More like Spooky, Multimorphic, and American - Absolutely! Yes please!
More like Jpop, Deeproot, Vonnie D, and Heighway - Hard pass!
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Feels like people trying to cash in on the "hot pinball market" are waving a pretty big red flag.
So far I think we've seen two distinct angles. One angle is some belief there is a pinball gold mine to be had and another angle is the popularity angle, where people want to run a pinball company or be in charge of design because they want to be "celebrities".
I didn't even know that there were "Pinball Celebrities".
"Hey John, when you grow up do you want to be a Rock star or a Movie star?"
"Neither one. Someday I'm going to be a Pinball celebrity..."
Quoted from mbeardsley:I didn't even know that there were "Pinball Celebrities".
"Hey John, when you grow up do you want to be a Rock star or a Movie star?"
"Neither one. Someday I'm going to be a Pinball celebrity..."
Why have money and fame when you can be berated on an Internet forum by 175 people?
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:How would propose that version be abbreviated in the Pinside database? RAZAR (Redeux) or RAZA3 (3rd try) or RAZAr (remake) or RAZAv (vault), RAZAp (prison edition) or RAZAc (CON edition). If someone does buy the rights and tries to make the game, a naming contest would be a big hit.
How about 1 name for all editions, since this title should not be multiplied beyond necessity?
Occam's RAZA
Quoted from okgrak:Why have money and fame when you can be berated on an Internet forum by 175 people?
I'll take it!
Quoted from greatwichjohn:There is lots of stuff that could move forward on besides JPOP stuff. Even the pinbar was done.
Don’t need pinbar anymore, we have the Sternbar integrated with your cell phone.
I just want to know how to order my beer through it.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:There is lots of stuff that could move forward on besides JPOP stuff. Even the pinbar was done.
Once again, please stop. There is NOTHING of value here.
The only thing of value is the functioning prototype with the pinbar. Some collector will pay 35-50k at auction for that sucker. That's it. The lawyers will get the proceeds. GAME OVER.
Quoted from Tranquilize:The only thing of value is the functioning prototype with the pinbar. Some collector will pay 35-50k at auction for that sucker. That's it. The lawyers will get the proceeds. GAME OVER.
I'll pay 20k$ for x-tra proto 
If I was caugt up in this mess as an ex-imployee, even if I was certainly clear of any legal trouble, I would be very hesitant to come out with anything. For the simple reason that my person and the information I put forward would be second guessed, dramatised, carried along with half a wind, cherry pick quoted, speculated upon, misquoted, words put in my mouth etc. etc. Why bother. The responsible people are seemingly caught in the bear trap already.
If someone was feeling it was the right thing to talk and spend the time to prepare and do a solid one hour interview, for instance, they know they will be swamped with follow-up questions from everyone forever.
And speaking of speculation. People here say, well, why didn't the DP employees speak out about the what was going on. Blow the whistle. Well, maybe somebody did. Maybe alerts was sent by people on the inside. When you do something like that, it is not exactly common practise to raise a flag and say "I did that". We do not know. Information could even have been slipped to investigators anonymously.
Quoted from soren:Well, maybe somebody did. Maybe alerts was sent by people on the inside.
That seems to be the most likely way that the SEC investigation got started. With a tip from someone on the Deeproot Funds side, or one of the other associated businesses, like pinball.
Why do people keep saying "functioning pinbar?"
The pinbar didn't work. That's one of the many reasons the prototype didn't work during the big reveal.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Why do people keep saying "functioning pinbar?"
The pinbar didn't work. That's one of the many reasons the prototype didn't work during the big reveal.
change12 (resized).jpgI cannot see why the pinbar would not work if you had the proper electronic display. The metal fabrication was the hard part.
Quoted from greatwichjohn:I cannot see why the pinbar would not work if you had the proper electronic display. The metal fabrication was the hard part.
What happens when someone spills a drink? Or hits it too hard?
The way it was implemented, a dead display meant a dead game.
A display in that location should be a supplemental feature at best, not a critical feature.
The pinbar was the dumbest fucking “innovation” in pinball history.
Stern figured out how to do it - just put it on everybody’s phone and In everybody’s pocket.
We all knew RAZA was gonna be huge turkey, but when we saw the Pinbar, we knew Deep Root was doomed. And we didn’t even know the entire story yet.
Guess the gambling business world wide is not worried about it. Lots of displays you can rest your drinks on. I like tapping the button with my beer bottle!
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Guess the gambling business world wide is not worried about it. Lots of displays you can rest your drinks on. I like tapping the button with my beer bottle!
Those are completely different machines. They're much simpler and easier to secure against spills & damage.
Again, as a supplemental feature, I have no problem with a screen on the lockbar. But it's too much of a big failure point to be a critical feature to be responsible for operating and diagnosing the game. It's really just not in a great spot to be protected well.
Quoted from ForceFlow:But it's too much of a big failure point to be a critical feature to be responsible for operating and diagnosing the game. It's really just not in a great spot to be protected well.
One of my favorite Pinbar features: You can't see or operate the screen/diagnostics if the playfield is up.
BRILLIANT!!!!! Someone really needs to swoop in and resurrect this innovative feature!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:One of my favorite Pinbar features: You can't see or operate the screen/diagnostics if the playfield is up.
BRILLIANT!!!!! Someone really needs to swoop in and resurrect this innovative feature!
Perhaps a kindred innovation spirit just might?
https://www.pinballadventures.com/product-category/pinball-adventure-products/
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Perhaps a kindred innovation spirit just might?
https://www.pinballadventures.com/product-category/pinball-adventure-products/
Amazing. I'm not sure if get the inflatable pinball lift system or the flipper button hold lock:
"You’ll now be able to blast through your competitors and easily deliver a rock-hard solid game."
Quoted from greatwichjohn:Guess the gambling business world wide is not worried about it. Lots of displays you can rest your drinks on. I like tapping the button with my beer bottle!
guess casinos have cameras that can see every inch of their lobbies, and have large men who would like to break your legs like you broke their profit machine. pinballs are abused on location because nobody is watching.
The pinbar is a non-starter for a host of reasons. I've got a bridge to sell any investor that thinks the pinbar is a good idea.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Perhaps a kindred innovation spirit just might?
https://www.pinballadventures.com/product-category/pinball-adventure-products/
That Pinball Boost product HAS to be parody. I don't think I can handle the pinball timeline where it's not.
Quoted from JStoltz:That Pinball Boost product HAS to be parody. I don't think I can handle the pinball timeline where it's not.
It's a ripoff of a freely available homemade product I've seen schematics for somewhere. Basically the exact same thing, but made from wood off a template you can build with and powered by a car jack to lift the pin.
One gets the feeling that Pinball Adventures is some kind of bizarre comedy/performance art piece in the vein of Andy Kaufman.
If it is, it borders on the line of crazed, misunderstood genius! If it isn't...God help us all.
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:It's a ripoff of a freely available homemade product I've seen schematics for somewhere. Basically the exact same thing, but made from wood off a template you can build with and powered by a car jack to lift the pin.
Here you go.
https://www.jeff-z.com/pinball/lift/index.html
jack1 (resized).jpgQuoted from Tranquilize:The only thing of value is the functioning prototype with the pinbar. Some collector will pay 35-50k at auction for that sucker. That's it. The lawyers will get the proceeds. GAME OVER.
I not sure that game ever sees the light of day. It could have been sold off months ago
Ah, yes.. This nonsense design was begging to be improved!
"Remove the durable, purpose-built car jack mechanism and replace with an air mattress. Voila! The material is five times the strength of a *regular* air mattress, making it approximately 0.05 times the strength of an automotive jack!"
$249.00 CA
(Available on Backorder)
Quoted from JStoltz:Ah, yes.. This nonsense design was begging to be improved!
"Remove the durable, purpose-built car jack mechanism and replace with an air mattress. Voila! The material is five times the strength of a *regular* air mattress, making it approximately 0.05 times the strength of an automotive jack!"
$249.00 CA
(Available on Backorder)
I'm praying the guys from germany immediately start ordering these innovative products and let us know if they ever show up.
Get your Amex cards ready gents!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Why do people keep saying "functioning pinbar?"
The pinbar didn't work. That's one of the many reasons the prototype didn't work during the big reveal.
I want a Pinbar. The pinbar cover anyways. I will install a display that scrolls thru all the famous Deeproot quotes and hang it on my wall.
The covers are already made. They do exist. Just sitting on a shelf or in a box somewhere probably quivering in fear from the threat of legal action. It’s a shame really as it would be a hot holiday seller…
Quoted from LORDDREK:I want a Pinbar. The pinbar cover anyways. I will install a display that scrolls thru all the famous Deeproot quotes and hang it on my wall.
The covers are already made. They do exist. Just sitting on a shelf or in a box somewhere probably quivering in fear from the threat of legal action. It’s a shame really as it would be a hot holiday seller…
Are these the original "palm hole" bleeder bars with the 90 degree angle pain-inducers, or the new and improved never-revelaed production pinbars with rounded edges?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Are these the original "palm hole" bleeder bars with the 90 degree angle pain-inducers, or the new and improved never-revelaed production pinbars with rounded edges?
Rounded edges are only available in the extra edition.
They were Robert's own personal design.
(Patent pending)
Quoted from Compy:They were Robert's own personal design.
(Patent pending)
Is there ANYTHING this guy can't do?
Visionary genius.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Are these the original "palm hole" bleeder bars with the 90 degree angle pain-inducers, or the new and improved never-revelaed production pinbars with rounded edges?
It appears it is the new and improved version:
Quoted from WillSmuz8999:The lockdown bar is tough, but can be made. Takes a quality sheet metal fabricator.
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And Chaka get some royalties for the display idea as he posted it here first. And 44 likes to boot. That’s a lot of potential sales…
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Is there ANYTHING this guy can't do?
Lot's things he can't do...
Keep his stupid mouth shut.
Run an actual pinball manufacturing company.
Make money legitimately.
Avoid prison time.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:The pinbar was the dumbest fucking “innovation” in pinball history.
Stern figured out how to do it - just put it on everybody’s phone and In everybody’s pocket.
We all knew RAZA was gonna be huge turkey, but when we saw the Pinbar, we knew Deep Root was doomed. And we didn’t even know the entire story yet.
Not everyone is a WE. Some people were impressed by this innovation. Pinpod(tm) was the 2nd most innovative product that they produced, which also sucked.
Pretty much every deeproot trademark has expired and is available. Someone need the pinbar name for their improved pinbar3? If someone is building them then @greatwich knows them and together they will be making RAZA’s until the market weeps …. no mas, mamá lloró.
Quoted from RCA1:That seems to be the most likely way that the SEC investigation got started. With a tip from someone on the Deeproot Funds side, or one of the other associated businesses, like pinball.
Remember the original fund investors were starting to hit the date at which their principle should have been reimbursed. I think the more likely scenario is that RM was trying to get people to re-up, (i.e., to roll their principle) into one of his new funds but not everyone bit. It wouldn't have taken many retirees to demand their principle payment to break the back of the scheme. If investors could not get their money back and sought legal advice...well, the SEC would have been one of the first calls. I think it is far less likely ees in the pinball business assumed their money issues were linked to the alleged misappropriationg of the Deeproot 575 funds and reached out to the SEC.
Quoted from davjoszie:I not sure that game ever sees the light of day. It could have been sold off months ago
Prototype likely sitting in somebody's basement or storage unit somewhere. Maybe one of the last employees to hang in there got it in lieu of some of pay/wages owed or maybe it is sitting in a condo in Hawaii, or a neighboring condo there. At any rate it's not worth much of a hoot even if its quazi functional. Or it could have been damaged, partially parted out or made it's way to the dumpster. Where ever it is, or whatever happened to it, a good chance it is even less operable or more broken and is little better than a piece of junk or assorted scrap.
Agree - probably won't see the light of day and it's not of any significance. Just a footnote in one more pinball failure/scam bafoonery.
Quoted from Haymaker:People actually wanted another Duke Nukem game though and there are fans of the Duke franchise
Quoted from benheck:Hey remember Duke Nukem Forever? 3D Realms spent 12 years on it.
Robert’s first of many mistakes was not announcing Duke Nukem as Deeproot’s first title instead of RAZA. Dukes fan base would have put up with his shenanigans for a least another decade. Just think Robbie you could of been headed to the slammer in your mid 50s and not as you are now as a younger and dare I say sexier man in his middle 40s.
“Your ass is grass, and I’ve got the weed whacker”
- Duke Nukem 1997
Quoted from Rezdog:Robert’s first of many mistakes was not announcing Duke Nukem as Deeproot’s first title instead of RAZA. Dukes fan base would have put up with his shenanigans for a least another decade. Just think Robbie you could of been headed to the slammer in your mid 50s and not as you are now as a younger and dare I say sexier man in his middle 40s.
“Your ass is grass, and I’ve got the weed whacker”
- Duke Nukem 1997
Quoted from Oldgoat:Remember the original fund investors were starting to hit the date at which their principle should have been reimbursed. I think the more likely scenario is that RM was trying to get people to re-up, (i.e., to roll their principle) into one of his new funds but not everyone bit. It wouldn't have taken many retirees to demand their principle payment to break the back of the scheme. If investors could not get their money back and sought legal advice...well, the SEC would have been one of the first calls. I think it is far less likely ees in the pinball business assumed their money issues were linked to the alleged misappropriationg of the Deeproot 575 funds and reached out to the SEC.
Given that he couldn’t reliably make his payroll, one or two investors demanding the return of their principal would be enough to knock over that house of cards.
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