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#23051 1 year ago
 
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flynnibus

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Quoted from Beechwood:

So you KNEW.
You KNEW he was stealing money from his funds to give refunds??

Its just his latest deflection. Go back to his posts - he didn’t even claim with certainty where pinball’s money came from…. Just basically said maybe…

He told us a thousand times he believed in the game and could afford any loss…. That’s why he didn’t take a refund. Same with so many other believers…. They thought the upside was bigger than the money they had tied up. They all wanted their exclusive game they thought was loss-proof because it’s special and rare.

Don’t believe the hindsight- there is plenty of history here in ghe thread until the faithful go back and start deleting stuff

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#23053 1 year ago
 
LEV

CrazyLevi

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US New York, NY

9y 144K 28,332

Quoted from Stemmy:

Bernie didn't start off with bad intentions either.

Everybody who makes any kind of implication like this is still under the thrall of a con man.

This was a con from day 1. By the time he made his first obnoxious interview to Pinball News, he was already stealing money from little old ladies.

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#23054 1 year ago
 
PEH

Stemmy

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US Denver, CO

5y 39,050 176 9

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Everybody who makes any kind of implication like this is still under the thrall of a con man.
This was a con from day 1. By the time he made his first obnoxious interview to Pinball News, he was already stealing money from little old ladies.

I was being sarcastic. This was a complete con job.

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#23055 1 year ago
 
LEV

CrazyLevi

Pinside+ Pro!

US New York, NY

9y 144K 28,332

Quoted from Stemmy:

I was being sarcastic. This was a complete con job.

I have a feeling Ice isn't being sarcastic!

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#23056 1 year ago
 
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Beechwood

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US Hudsonville, MI

11y 98,800 2,575 4 12

Quoted from flynnibus:

Its just his latest deflection. Go back to his posts - he didn’t even claim with certainty where pinball’s money came from…. Just basically said maybe…
He told us a thousand times he believed in the game and could afford any loss…. That’s why he didn’t take a refund. Same with so many other believers…. They thought the upside was bigger than the money they had tied up. They all wanted their exclusive game they thought was loss-proof because it’s special and rare.
Don’t believe the hindsight- there is plenty of history here in ghe thread until the faithful go back and start deleting stuff

Makes me wonder if he was involved as a silent partner. Yikes!

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#23057 1 year ago
 
DMB

PismoArcade

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US St. George, UT

11y 136K 3,634 2 125

The good news for Robert is that once he's sent to prison, his legal skills will come in handy. Jailhouse lawyers are always in high demand from other inmates.

Of course, the pay won't be what he's used to.

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#23058 1 year ago
 
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Stemmy

Pinside member

US Denver, CO

5y 39,050 176 9

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I have a feeling Ice isn't being sarcastic!

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I have a feeling Ice isn't being sarcastic!

Rm is a train wreck of a human being. He's a narcissistic POS. I have lost money on this. Again my fault. I take responsibility for that. No one in there right mind will touch this again. Unless it's a RM clone with a giant ego that thinks this is easy.

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#23059 1 year ago
 
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Mr68

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US Boulder, CO

11y 147K 7,939 2

Did Iceman's cowboy cigar chomping emoji break?

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#23060 1 year ago
 
NTR

TheFamilyArcade

Pinside member

US New City, NY

10y 103K 9,811 4 37

Quoted from iceman44:

Yeah I don’t know all the facts … !

Oh brother, you can say that again.

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#23061 1 year ago
 
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Beechwood

Pinside+ Frequent

US Hudsonville, MI

11y 98,800 2,575 4 12

Quoted from Stemmy:

No one in there right mind will touch this again. Unless it's a RM clone with a giant ego that thinks this is easy.

I have classified info that there are secret groups working on stuff... But this may be just a pipe dream.

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#23062 1 year ago
 
DRM

iceman44

Pinside+ Pro!

US Boerne, TX

12y 155K 24,829 25 42

Quoted from Beechwood:

So you KNEW.
You KNEW he was stealing money from his funds to give refunds???
That is why you are hated here. You fucked a lot of people while hiding what was really going on.
No defense for this. PERIOD!

F off w that BS

If I knew he was stealing money like Jpop did early on I would have gone after him right then.

I lost out like some other big boys did.

I rolled the dice. Plain and simple. It didn’t work out.

While you can be thrilled it went against me I don’t care, it’s really not a happy dance day for the “investors” and what’s coming next. That part I care about

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#23063 1 year ago
 
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Beechwood

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US Hudsonville, MI

11y 98,800 2,575 4 12

Quoted from iceman44:

F off w that BS
If I knew he was stealing money like Jpop did early on I would have gone after him right then.
I lost out like some other big boys did.
I rolled the dice. Plain and simple. It didn’t work out.
While you can be thrilled it went against me I don’t care, it’s really not a happy dance day for the “investors” and what’s coming next. That part I care about

I'm not happy. Vindicated, yes.

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#23064 1 year ago
 
DMB

PismoArcade

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US St. George, UT

11y 136K 3,634 2 125

Quoted from Cheeks:

I've been avoiding the "sewer" thread, but I guess it's time to dive in. So, I'll cross-post what I put in the "pre-order" thread and take my licks...
Does anyone have a bridge to sell me? You don't even need a compelling sales pitch, apparently.
I'm an original Zidware customer, burned by Jpop. I decided to gamble on deeproot. Went for it with the Xtra. Figured even if I didn't like it, it was rare and I could sell it for a modest profit as compensation for my pain and suffering. Whoops!
I'm pissed, but whatever. I'd be REALLY pissed if I didn't realize it was a gamble I decided to take (could be read as my ignorance).
So anyway. Idiot alert! Send me your hugely expensive scams, I'm sure I'll bite.
Paging any Princes from Nigeria - I'll pay you cash for that check you can't cash.

You're a good egg. I'm sorry that you got taken.

I wish certain other people shared your humility and self reflection.

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#23065 1 year ago
 
JIZ

Beechwood

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US Hudsonville, MI

11y 98,800 2,575 4 12

Quoted from Beechwood:

I'm not happy. Vindicated, yes.

And I have no idea how a trained lawyer couldn't see this coming a mile away. Scary.

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#23066 1 year ago
 
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Drewscruis

Pinside member

US Hamburg Usa, NY

10y 49,300 619 32

So it official now, deeproot is dead..

And iceman's credibility is now less than zero...

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#23067 1 year ago
 
BHZ

ZNET

Pinside member

11y 114K 1,695

The most significant paragraph in the SEC's complaint is #49, in my opinion. That paragraph is designed to establish that Robert Mueller possessed the requisite mens rea, the criminal intent upon which a conviction is predicated.

Here's the Simon & Garfunkel version of the SEC filing:

Hide it in a hiding place
where no one ever goes.
Put it in a pinpod with cupcakes.
It's a little secret just a PPM affair.
Most of all you've got to hide it from the threads.

Koo-koo-ka-choo, Mr. deeprootman.
Goonies love you more than you will know.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
God bless you please, Mr. Pinbarman.
Rikers holds a place for those who stray.
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey.
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#23068 1 year ago
 
DMB

PismoArcade

Pinside+ Frequent

US St. George, UT

11y 136K 3,634 2 125

"I'm the most detested person on this pinball website!" Frank Furhter; rgp Pinball

"Hold my beer" Iceman44; Pinside

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#23069 1 year ago
 
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dr_nybble

Pinside+ Frequent

CA Ottawa, ON

8y 97,300 3,145 12

This is a civil case, not criminal. No jail. Read the "Prayer for Relief" to see what they are asking for as remedy.

Wife #2 feeling pretty good right now.

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#23070 1 year ago
 
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Beechwood

Pinside+ Frequent

US Hudsonville, MI

11y 98,800 2,575 4 12

Quoted from dr_nybble:

This is a civil case, not criminal. No jail. Read the "Prayer for Relief" to see what they are asking for as remedy.
Wife #2 feeling pretty good right now.

I'm out on this thread. Got my pm from ice to f off, so I better.

It's an unforeseen legal issue....

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#23071 1 year ago
 
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attyrhodes

Pinside member

US St. Petersburg, FL

2y 34,300 448 3

Iceman must have gotten a promise of points on his investment or something lol

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#23072 1 year ago
 
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Scandell

Pinside member

US Salt Lake City, UT

3y 65,050 588 9 10 3

Once this invariably leads into a PPP loan investigation. Prison time.

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#23073 1 year ago
 
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pinballonthemark

Pinside member

US Reno, NV

7y 40,800 147 1

Quoted from pinballonthemark:

Here are the 5 Positive Things About Deeproot we can reflect on:
1. Robert reimbursed money lost from Popadiuk‘s business failure to people who got burned not receiving their machines.
2. Deeproot has a collaborative mindset dream team of experienced designers/engineers that made awesome games in the past that we loved as kids and enthralled us into that magical experience what got us into pinball in the first place.
3. Deeproot has Steven Bowden employed with rules and code development in a collaborative team of experts in the industry.
4. Deeproot has a huge manufacturing facility ready to produce games.
5. Deeproot has its own animation department to develop original stories and themes to go along with the games.

I posted this 22 months ago. Wow, how things have changed for the worst.

So I will take it like a man and realize I was wrong having my hope in Deep Root. They were a scam from the very beginning. All of you having negative opinions about Deep Root were correct and I was wrong. So now I will redo the post as a reality check.

5 negative things about Deeproot.

1. Robert took money from investors and spent the funds on personal matters. What a crook!!! He also had people lose out on a game that will never get produced.

2. Robert fooled the best pinball designers to produce absolutely nothing except titles that were ludicrous to begin with. JPOP was a huge mistake!!

3. Steven Bowden was scammed in his hopes and dreams to code RAZA realizing it would never get played by anyone. Feel really sorry for him.

4. Deep Root has a huge manufacturing facility that has produced nothing with empty wasted space.

5. Deeproot had beautiful animations and talented animators who should have stayed at their previous jobs.

Deep Root is dead with deep root pockets in deep shit. It is over! Time to finally drain this convoluting thread into the cesspool of toxic posts and wasted time. Goodbye Deep Root!

Hello Stern, Spooky, American Pinball, and Chicago Gaming Company!!!!!

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#23074 1 year ago
 
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RobT

Pinside member

12y 124K 21,266 3 40

49. In or around March 2020, Mueller drafted and issued a document to investors that
he titled “deeproot Family of Companies - Investment Portfolio Narrative 2020.B2.” In a section
of the document describing the pinball venture, Mueller described why he focused on
investments – like deeproot Pinball – instead of just life policies, writing: “The downfall of
these companies (and strategy) wasn’t really because of the life policies themselves. It instead
was due to the company’s CHOICE of how to deal with the weaknesses. In nearly every case,
the company chose to LEVERAGE (i.e., either borrow capital at high rates on the open
marketing [sic], or Ponzi-scheme proceeds) against future maturities.”

Despite these statements, Mueller was doing exactly what he railed against other companies for
doing – making Ponzi-like payments and borrowing money in order to pay “returns” to investors."

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#23075 1 year ago
 
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Chalkey

Pinside member

US Chesterfield, VA

5y 68,050 2,782 18

I'm not keeping score or nothing but isn't that kind of what you're saying here?

Quoted from iceman44:

It’s also why I didn’t take any “refund” money in the first place, we knew where it was coming from and not Robert himself.

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#23076 1 year ago
 
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RobT

Pinside member

12y 124K 21,266 3 40

Quoted from ZNET:

The most significant paragraph in the SEC's complaint is #49, in my opinion.

Hahaha.

Great minds. You beat me by a few minutes!

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#23077 1 year ago
 
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vdojaq

Pinside+ Frequent

US Crystal Lake, IL

10y 97,400 5,500 23

Quoted from iceman44:

The pinball money is a pittance by comparison. It’s also why I didn’t take any “refund” money in the first place, we knew where it was coming from and not Robert himself.

You fucking knew? Wow, definition of a slimy lawyer seems to fit here.

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#23078 1 year ago
 
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thechakapakuni

Inactive member

2y 61,300 2,093 30

Quoted from thechakapakuni:

I think there should be a Twipy for this thread. ZMeny

I double down on this ZMeny

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#23079 1 year ago
 
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Cheeks

Pinside+ Frequent

US Lockport, IL

10y 82,950 2,505 45 1

Quoted from fosaisu:

So which wedding (or divorce) funded with investor money would you pinpoint as the moment he stepped over the line?

So, this gave me a great idea of how I can feel better about getting taken. You know how you can send places $50, and they'll give you a certificate that you own a star or something?

I want a certificate that tells me exactly what my jpop/deeproot money went toward.

If I could get a certificate saying my money paid for the open bar at wife #3's wedding, at least I could have something to cherish.

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#23080 1 year ago
 
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Hoteldrummer

Pinside member

US Bakersfield, CA

3y 55,300 324 4 1

Wait, Deeproot was a scam all along?!!! Who saw this coming? Totally blindsided by this!! It seemed SO real the first few years of getting nothing!

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#23081 1 year ago
 
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LamF

Pinside member

US Richmond, VA

6y 29,650 38 14

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#23082 1 year ago
 
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Mr68

Pinside+ Frequent

US Boulder, CO

11y 147K 7,939 2

Quoted from iceman44:

I’m off to play some golf now while you spend all day here breaking it down for us

I just pictured Doug in his Jack Daniels golf cart, yelling at people and shaking his fist as he plays the back nine in reverse order.

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#23083 1 year ago
 
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flynnibus

Pinside+ Member

10y 126K 11,950

Im disappointed in the post count after such a major bombshell. Is it Saturday? Or is it everyone had finally cone to terms with the shamster except a few?

Bring on the auction!

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#23084 1 year ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

7y 86,050 3,237 1

Quoted from Drewscruis:

So it official now, deeproot is dead..
And iceman's credibility is now less than zero...

Subtract a little more: he's now squelching on delivering the court documents for Robert's other cases 21 days into August. Disappointing.

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#23085 1 year ago
 
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vdojaq

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US Crystal Lake, IL

10y 97,400 5,500 23

Challenge to iceman44

Ok, time for you to turn your image here around and put your so called "money" where your mouth is as you have alluded to.

Take your fortune, purchase the carcass of Deeproot, and get the 130 games built as promised. The depositors get to be made whole with a machine. Obviously the list is available.

You do this and I will buy a machine to auction off to benefit a charity of your choice.

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#23086 1 year ago
 
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thechakapakuni

Inactive member

2y 61,300 2,093 30

I wonder if they at least got past UL certification?

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#23087 1 year ago
 
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flynnibus

Pinside+ Member

10y 126K 11,950

Quoted from vdojaq:

Challenge to iceman44
Ok, time for you to turn your image here around and put your so called "money" where your mouth is as you have alluded to.
Take your fortune, purchase the carcass of Deeproot, and get the 130 games built as promised. The depositors get to be made whole with a machine. Obviously the list is available.
You do this and I will buy a machine to auction off to benefit a charity of your choice.

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#23088 1 year ago
 
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Puffdanny

Pinside member

6y 99,550 2,624 17

So is this day 1 or day 5?

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#23089 1 year ago
 
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tilt-master

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Remember the story about the Dale car? Once DR had nothing to show beyond their wooden car and starting throwing out excuses, I thought it would be obvious to all.

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#23090 1 year ago
 
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zaphX

Pinside member

US Frisco, TX

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#23091 1 year ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

7y 86,050 3,237 1

Maybe they really did use Robert's minority report machine to catch him after all.

Silver lining: now a real company can put out Title TBD.

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#23092 1 year ago
 
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Rascal_H

Pinside member

US Cumberland, RI

11y 133K 6,560 2 36

This hobby is so fucking strange.

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#23093 1 year ago
 
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Bublehead

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US San Tan Valley, AZ

7y 84,400 3,606 10

Quoted from Bublehead:

There is only one problem with deeproot IMO... words are free, hype is free, everything they have given us has been free so far... gobble gobble gobble... its all just words darling, creating a buzz and so far, depending on what camp you are in, this is either the buzz of the flys circling the shit storm, or its the buzz of something great on the horizon, not sure which is the true reality anymore. I want pinball to succeed, just not sure deeproot has the answers.
So they are burning $75k a month right now (according to their mouthpiece) to generate a buzz (if nothing else) and they are missing their first big promised reveal at TPF... and JPop is associated with this whole thing, and you don't think it is time to start reading the writting on the wall, the tea leaves in the cup, and smell the dookie wafting up from between your toes? Because if you have put any money into this adventure, you may have stepped into a big stinking pile of god knows what.
Time will tell, but thats kind of a hollow overused statement in the pinball industry.

Amazing skills of prognostication....

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#23094 1 year ago
 
BEN

benheck

Pinside+ Member

US Madison, WI

10y 113K 5,308

Hey has Robert been outed as Mormon yet?

Yup. He's Mormon.

This post was moderated 1 year ago: Discussing Prohibited Topics (politics, religion ...)

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#23095 1 year ago
 
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yancy

Pinside member

US West Dundee, IL

10y 117K 6,106 24

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#23096 1 year ago
 
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Mr68

Pinside+ Frequent

US Boulder, CO

11y 147K 7,939 2

Quoted from benheck:

Hey has Robert been outed as Mormon yet?
Yup. He's Mormon.

He's soon to have no wives.

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#23097 1 year ago
 
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spfxted

Pinside member

US Saddle River, NJ

11y 139K 24,424 4 9

Quoted from Rascal_H:

This hobby is so fucking strange.

....just the people, my friend...just the people...

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#23098 1 year ago
 
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Drewscruis

Pinside member

US Hamburg Usa, NY

10y 49,300 619 32

Quoted from Mr68:

He's soon to have no wives.

Oh he will have a whole new kind of wife in the klink, but they may be calling him the bitch instead...

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#23099 1 year ago
 
BEN

benheck

Pinside+ Member

US Madison, WI

10y 113K 5,308

Quoted from Mr68:

He's soon to have no wives.

Oh he'll have some. In prison.

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#23100 1 year ago
 
JJJ

jonesjb

Pinside member

US New York, NY

9y 115K 3,903 3 19

I wonder if Pinside might be referenced as evidence in the SEC’s case?

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