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#20901 2 years ago
 
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frolic

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Quoted from Yoreland:

The Latest:
Dear RAZA Customer:
We are sorry for the length of time without an update. We have been contacted by a few of you within the last few weeks. The main topics were how many people took the refund offer (3), is the refund offer still available (No), and what the status of the RAZA builds are.
A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect. We were advised by counsel to not send out any substantive communication while they worked to resolve it amicably. We have taken that advice while patiently waiting for it to be resolved. The back-and-forth has taken much, much longer than we expected. So we are providing this brief update so you understand what the delay is about.
We cannot discuss the parties or what the complaint is about. We cannot provide a timeline. What we can say is that we are working hard to resolve/settle it and we hope will be resolved very soon. We will be able to give a meaningful update at that time. Until then...
-Robert J. Mueller, Principal
deeproot Pinball

Welp. No games shipping any time soon. The tire fire burns on.

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#20902 2 years ago
 
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Scandell

Pinside member

US Salt Lake City, UT

4y 66,300 588 9 10

Quoted from Yoreland:

We were advised by counsel

aka RM.

Quoted from Yoreland:

We cannot discuss the parties or what the complaint is about

"We CHOOSE" not to discuss..."

Quoted from Yoreland:

We cannot provide a timeline.

"We sucks at timelines...deadlines...managing time....what is "time" really?"

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#20903 2 years ago
 
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Ericpinballfan

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8y 166K 10,435 7 1

Quoted from Yoreland:

The Latest:
Dear RAZA Customer:
We are sorry for the length of time without an update. We have been contacted by a few of you within the last few weeks. The main topics were how many people took the refund offer (3), is the refund offer still available (No), and what the status of the RAZA builds are.
A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect. We were advised by counsel to not send out any substantive communication while they worked to resolve it amicably. We have taken that advice while patiently waiting for it to be resolved. The back-and-forth has taken much, much longer than we expected. So we are providing this brief update so you understand what the delay is about.
We cannot discuss the parties or what the complaint is about. We cannot provide a timeline. What we can say is that we are working hard to resolve/settle it and we hope will be resolved very soon. We will be able to give a meaningful update at that time. Until then...
-Robert J. Mueller, Principal
deeproot Pinball

This shit story for real?
Left Field Hail Marry I'd say.

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#20904 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

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AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,250 19 39

Wow, can’t win a trick.

Wonder what the legal issue is.

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#20905 2 years ago
 
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yancy

Pinside member

US West Dundee, IL

11y 122K 7,215 25

Quoted from Yoreland:

A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect.

An escape hatch!

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#20906 2 years ago
 
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valgalder

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US Chicago, IL

10y 41,300 352 5

Lol.... okay sure.

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#20907 2 years ago
 
TMB

Roostking

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11y 106K 8,567 2

Quoted from cooked71:

Wow, can’t win a trick.
Wonder what the legal issue is.

Not paying employees, while taking PPP $$??? Id start there, but who knows, its probably multiple issues.

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#20908 2 years ago
 
TOM

Lounge

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4y 71,050 1,535 5

So they have assembled games ready to go but, alas - legal issues. Not UL certification issues…. not boat stuck in a canal/covid supply chain issues….. legal issues.

“I mean, otherwise we’d be shipping games like, yesterday.”

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#20909 2 years ago
 
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metallik

Pinside member

US Cincinnati, OH

11y 117K 6,521 44

Quoted from Yoreland:

A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect.

"Can you believe these vendors actually want PAID?? We never expected that!"

How hard is it to check for liens against businesses in TX? Anyway, that was a pretty empty update, so...

Quoted from ZNET:

A long time ago, Clay Harrell published his ratings of Gottlieb woodrails at the link below. Clay gives Shindig a C grade, Triplets a C+ and Hi Diver a B+. I rate Triplets a C- and Hi Diver a B and agree that Shindig is a C where C represents an average player. The A-titles are appreciably better than what you currently have. They are games that a collector enjoys playing in a line-up for many years. I have been lucky to have owned a good variety of woodrails for over 3 decades and have never tired of the A-titles.

I did see those ratings and read up on those three back in the day. I'm glad HD gets a B from you as well, as I wasn't expecting a lot from the others and you kinda confirmed that. HD may be the best I get. I'd love to get one of the A-listers but that boat may have sailed.

Quoted from ZNET:

A-title woodrails are not exclusive to Gottlieb, although Gottlieb does dominate that pinball category. I rate Chicago Coin Thing, Williams Gusher and Williams Skyway as A-titles, for example. In fact, my Pinside profile includes a comprehensive article about CCM's enigmatic woodrail Thing, which features Roy Parker art and an extraordinary audio feature. Thing is a remarkable game.

I did not read that yet, will do. Games with unusual features would definitely interest me. It looks like Williams made a number of interesting woodrails, while as you say Gottlieb tended to be the best of the 60s and 70s.

It's a shame PPE is no more, as they seemed to have a huge collection of woodrails at their show. Related, it'll be interesting to see how many sell during the MoP auction and what they go for... too bad that's across the country from me.

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#20910 2 years ago
 
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Lounge

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I’m guessing they didn’t get the PinScam trademark.

…. or did they

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#20911 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,732 1

Lol

Lol

Lol

In light of this @iceman44, how about those pacer pulls?

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#20912 2 years ago
 
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Zablon

Pinside member

US Kellogg, IA

9y 103K 10,580 11

So they took the "I can't release my taxes because I'm under audit" route.

Can't say I expected that one.

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#20913 2 years ago
 
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Lounge

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Those cars out front must have been lawyers.

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#20914 2 years ago
 
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Zablon

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US Kellogg, IA

9y 103K 10,580 11

Quoted from Lounge:

Guess those cars out front were lawyers.

Probably repo men.

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#20915 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

Pinside member

AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,250 19 39

Quoted from Roostking:

Not paying employees, while taking PPP $$??? Id start there, but who knows, its probably multiple issues.

Nah, too boring.

What about Ben Heck suing for royalties? Zombie Yeti to get paid for his artwork? Mueller suing his own employees because they embarrassed him? I’m sure Iceman’s car park drive by’s are somehow involved.

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#20916 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,732 1

So for the "you are all just haters, deeproot will get it done" crew, at what point of Robert's updates meeting our expectations and trouncing theirs do they reevaluate who's offbase and who's seeing clearly?

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#20917 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

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Quoted from cooked71:

Nah, too boring.
What about Ben Heck suing for royalties? Zombie Yeti to get paid for his artwork? Mueller suing his own employees because they embarrassed him? I’m sure Iceman’s car park drive by’s are somehow involved.

What about wcbrandes still owning the RAZA ip? Wasn't (or isn't?) that a thing?

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#20918 2 years ago
 
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spfxted

Pinside member

US Saddle River, NJ

12y 147K 24,661 4 9

Refunds still available....No!

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#20919 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,456

His email might as well have said “get fucked boy”

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#20920 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

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US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,902 28 49

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

What about wcbrandes still owning the RAZA ip? Wasn't (or isn't?) that a thing?

Holy shit Joe Pesci! You finally cracked the case. Lol

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#20921 2 years ago
 
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Lounge

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Your honor, we’re going to need another 30 days to prepare - my dog ate my legal brief.

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#20922 2 years ago
 
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RobT

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13y 129K 21,266 3 40

Quoted from cooked71:

Wonder what the legal issue is.

An excuse not to give an update.

Their lawyers told them not to, after all.

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#20923 2 years ago
 
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Tonic67

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10y 48,800 155

Wow, I'm running out of popcorn at this point.

After following this story through the threads and podcasts all this time, hearing what RM has said and what he has actually delivered - absolutely fn nothing - I cant believe anyone would do any kind of business with this guy.

Now he has given himself an indefinite period of time with that last update. Have to wonder if Bankruptcy is being discussed at this point. Who really knows..

Good luck to those who gave him money. I hope you get something eventually.

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#20924 2 years ago
 
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Roostking

Pinside+ Addict

11y 106K 8,567 2

Quoted from cooked71:

Nah, too boring.
What about Ben Heck suing for royalties? Zombie Yeti to get paid for his artwork? Mueller suing his own employees because they embarrassed him? I’m sure Iceman’s car park drive by’s are somehow involved.

To me those are somewhat easy to resolve with $$$, unless some are being stubborn. The Fed on the other hand...

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#20925 2 years ago
 
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happyclan

Pinside member

3y 56,550 256

Wonder what 3 took the refund offer. Were there 3 people asking for a refund and 3 got one? Or were only 3 people, the first in the line assuming, given the refund?

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#20926 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

Pinside member

AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,250 19 39

Quoted from spfxted:

Refunds still available....No!

Refunds given…..(3).

Lol. DR just keeps on giving.

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#20927 2 years ago
 
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Roostking

Pinside+ Addict

11y 106K 8,567 2

Picture this. dr did in fact take more PPP $$$ than any other pin builder. What if the fed wants to make an example of the self proclaimed "Best pinball company in the world" lol.

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#20928 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,456

I had the wrong Friday but I called them dumping bad news on a Friday at 4:59

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#20929 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,732 1

Quoted from iceman44:

Holy shit Joe Pesci! You finally cracked the case. Lol

Please enlighten us, Columbo. No one likes a know-it-all, share-nothing-at-all. Does this update relate to your drumbeat of Robert has way bigger problems than pinball, oh wise one?

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#20930 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

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US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,902 28 49

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Please enlighten us, Columbo. No one likes a know-it-all, share-nothing-at-all. Does this update relate to your drumbeat of Robert has way bigger problems than pinball, oh wise one?

The plot thickens and the saga continues on and on. Get used to it.

Ever heard of a “Demand Letter” Joe?

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#20931 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

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Quoted from iceman44:

The plot thickens and the saga continues on and on. Get used to it.
Ever heard of a “Demand Letter” Joe?

Unrelated, but not getting the Joe Pesci thing. Guy's been in a bunch of movies. Not familiar with his personal life. If the connection's there, I'm unlikely to discern it.

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#20932 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

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US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,902 28 49

I doubt it’s Cointaker firing off their missile yet. That would be bad timing.

Billy on the other hand? Would be waste his time?

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#20933 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,456

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Unrelated, but not getting the Joe Pesci thing. Guy's been in a bunch of movies. Not familiar with his personal life. If the connection's there, I'm unlikely to discern it.

My cousin Vinny?

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#20934 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,732 1

Quoted from iceman44:

I doubt it’s Cointaker firing off their missile yet. That would be bad timing.
Billy on the other hand? Would be waste his time?

Oh, I understandably mistook your confusing sarcasm as barking up the wrong tree. These would be interesting developments.

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#20935 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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8y 101K 4,732 1

Quoted from TreyBo69:

My cousin Vinny?

That is one of his scores of movies. Lethal Weapon 3 as well.

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#20936 2 years ago
 
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Mr68

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US Boulder, CO

12y 150K 8,648

Wow, what a cluster.

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#20937 2 years ago
 
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valgalder

Pinside member

US Chicago, IL

10y 41,300 352 5

If this was really about some Raza legal issue, couldn't they at least move on and produce one of the other 100 titles they apparently have finished?

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#20938 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,456

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

That is one of his scores of movies. Lethal Weapon 3 as well.

I’ve only seen Gone Fishin

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#20939 2 years ago
 
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YeOldPinPlayer

Inactive member

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Quoted from valgalder:

If this was really about some Raza legal issue, couldn't they at least move on and produce one of the other 100 titles they apparently have finished?

WHAT? And reconfigure the whole lin...
Oh wait, nevermind.

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#20940 2 years ago
 
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PismoArcade

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US St. George, UT

12y 143K 4,103 3 134

It's weird.... He answered the first two questions regarding how many people got refunds (3) and if the refund offer was still available (nope) but couldn't answer the seemingly innocuous question of the status of the RAZA builds?

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#20941 2 years ago
 
ROB

RobT

Pinside member

13y 129K 21,266 3 40

Quoted from Yoreland: A legal matter affecting RAZA arose around a month ago that we did not expect.

Damn. RM is even dumber than we thought.

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#20942 2 years ago
 
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jeffspinballpalace

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20y 242K 19,063 556

One of the reasons some have strongly suggested getting the refund choice is so you don’t lose your money when Deeproot goes bankrupt. Remember when Heighway went bust? There were few assets of value and a long list of creditors. In Deeproot’s case, they likely have a number of suppliers and artists owed money too. M

As said earlier, I believe Robert could get the games built if he wanted, but it would be super expensive. Then when he is finished with the run, he needs another two or three games designed 100%, tested and ready to be built. The possibility of that being true is -100%. (guaranteed to not happen). This is the real proof Robert won’t build any RAZA’s.

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#20943 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

Pinside member

AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,250 19 39

It’s just Mueller chasing ghosts so he can bill up 100’s of chargeable legal hours to the investors.

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#20944 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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Quoted from TreyBo69:

I’ve only seen Gone Fishin

Hope it's part of the next wave of deeproot titles announced?

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#20945 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,732 1

Quoted from PismoArcade:

It's weird.... He answered the first two questions regarding how many people got refunds (3) and if the refund offer was still available (nope) but couldn't answer the seemingly innocuous question of the status of the RAZA builds?

It's because legal things!

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#20946 2 years ago
 
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toyotaboy

RandOM Pinball

US Allyn, WA

12y 184K 11,939 3 14

Quoted from Scandell:

what is "time" really?"

An awesome band from the 80s?

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#20947 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

Pinside member

AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,250 19 39

Quoted from iceman44:

I doubt it’s Cointaker firing off their missile yet. That would be bad timing.

Ok, now we get to some meat.

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#20948 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

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US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,902 28 49

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

That is one of his scores of movies. Lethal Weapon 3 as well.

Come on BJ, gotta watch that classic!

My nickname for you now is Vinny. Hey he won his case and beat the big city slicker lawyer

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#20949 2 years ago
 
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Richthofen

Pinside member

11y 75,800 2,697

Ok so what legal issues would they have that’s preventing a build?

A cease and desist for using a patent or copyright?

A critical part or parts can’t be delivered because of non payment?

The fact that the lawyer is getting hung up on legal issues is the perfect incompetence dessert to go along with this huge incompetence buffet that is deeproot

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#20950 2 years ago
 
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Rarehero

Pinside member

US Los Angeles, CA

12y 134K 23,147 22 119

Quoted from Richthofen:

Ok so what legal issues would they have that’s preventing a build?

Maybe Stern patented “pinball” lol

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