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#20201 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

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Quoted from benheck:

Does PPP cover a business who can not pay their employees because of COVID induced parts shortage? (which results in line layoffs)
Don't you have to retain all employees at the end of the period to be eligible for forgiveness?
Is the location of said business considered when granting the loan, ie Texas (barely closed) vs CA? (barely open)

Location doesn’t matter.

Here is a good summary of new PPP rules Ben

https://www.fundingcircle.com/us/resources/3-essential-ppp-loan-forgiveness-rules-to-follow/

Note that YES you must maintain headcount for forgiveness.

However, if you can’t do that and can’t repay the loan then bankruptcy is in the cards and it doesn’t matter

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#20202 2 years ago
 
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EricHadley

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Jeeze, so many more pages. All still spooge?

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#20203 2 years ago
 
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Roostking

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Quoted from greatwichjohn:

The pinball industry is in a all time high & likely will see more expansion. More games from more sources would be a good guess. People can read into what I am saying, & I will not explain anymore of what I know. I might have been a small player in the pinball glass & playfield production. But it has been known by many in the industry of what I have been up to. My personal opinion is there is still hope for Deep Root to do something positive! Pinball production is very hard & hopefully people have learned from all the failures big & small over the last 40 years.

Go on...

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#20204 2 years ago
 
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mbwalker

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Quoted from toyotaboy:

...They may have other shop equipment like a CNC to route cabinets and playfields...

CNC machine: Ordered! Free shipping too.

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#20205 2 years ago
 
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Mogg

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If the building is for sale, why doesn’t Ice call and make a appointment to view it, and see if it fits his needs?

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#20206 2 years ago
 
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Concretehardt

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Quoted from Mogg:

If the building is for sale, why doesn’t Ice call and make a appointment to view it, and see if it fits his needs?

It may not be big enough for his ego

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#20207 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

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US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from iceman44:

Location doesn’t matter.
Here is a good summary of new PPP rules Ben
https://www.fundingcircle.com/us/resources/3-essential-ppp-loan-forgiveness-rules-to-follow/
Note that YES you must maintain headcount for forgiveness.
However, if you can’t do that and can’t repay the loan then bankruptcy is in the cards and it doesn’t matter

@ice44. If your ever in denver I would love to shot the shit with ya. There is a lot of cross over in our lives. Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown is in October. I don't always agree with you but that ok. That's what makes the world go round.

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#20208 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

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US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from Stemmy:

@ice44. If your ever in denver I would love to shot the shit with ya. There is a lot of cross over in our lives. Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown is in October. I don't always agree with you but that ok. That's what makes the world go round.

If nothing else let's get hammered and play pins. That's the point right.

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#20209 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

Pinside member

US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Wow @ice44 blocking people who extend an olive branch. The last person I saw do that was Trump.

This post was moderated 2 years ago: Discussing Prohibited Topics (politics, religion ...)

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#20210 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

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US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Keep in mind world there are more bad lawyers than good. Ask most nba players who are working at Starbucks

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#20211 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

Pinside member

US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from benheck:

Holy hell. You know more about my ancestry than I do!
And yes, we were Heckenthornes before Ellis Island "Americanized" it.
Anyway. Deeproot still sucks.

Don't invoke Hebrew ok do. My kids B Mitvah is this weekend

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#20212 2 years ago
 
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Lounge

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Quoted from Stemmy:

nba players who are working at Starbucks

Name two.

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#20213 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

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US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from Stemmy:

Wow @ice44 blocking people who extend an olive branch. The last person I saw do that was Trump.

Wow the down votes. Love the dueche bag loving blood sucking attorneys. Get over it.

This post was moderated 2 years ago: Don't Make Things Personal A temporary (2 days) thread eject was issued.

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#20214 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

Pinside member

US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from Lounge:

Name two.

Vince Carter is 1. He made over a 100mill. Go suck on that. It takes no more than that.

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#20215 2 years ago
 
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Stemmy

Pinside member

US Denver, CO

6y 40,050 177 10

Quoted from Stemmy:

Vince Carter is 1. He made over a 100mill. Go suck on that. It takes no more than that.

Lawyers bad investments etc. There are more ex pro athletes that fall into this category than we know.
I don't want to digress from this thread. RM is still a POS

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#20216 2 years ago
 
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toyotaboy

RandOM Pinball

US Allyn, WA

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Quoted from mbwalker:

CNC machine: Ordered! Free shipping too.[quoted image]

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#20217 2 years ago
 
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Hammer1021

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6y 54,300 101

Vin Baker not Vince Carter.

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#20218 2 years ago
 
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cooked71

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AU Sydney

10y 155K 9,247 19 39

Quoted from Stemmy:

Keep in mind world there are more bad lawyers than good. Ask most nba players who are working at Starbucks

Any excuse for a GIF.

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#20219 2 years ago
 
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Rdoyle1978

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7y 117K 18,143 14 6

Quoted from benheck:

Does PPP cover a business who can not pay their employees because of COVID induced parts shortage? (which results in line layoffs)
Don't you have to retain all employees at the end of the period to be eligible for forgiveness?
Is the location of said business considered when granting the loan, ie Texas (barely closed) vs CA? (barely open)

PPP bakes all of those assumptions in. Not location specific, worst case scenario you can’t get customers / product / materials - that is exactly the scenario the PPP loan is supposed to cover. Loan forgiveness may come into question if you are not paying your people, as that is specifically what the loan is supposed to be for.

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#20220 2 years ago
 
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Rdoyle1978

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Quoted from Rarehero:

What is there of value to buy?

I heard they have a couple machines in the break room

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#20221 2 years ago
 
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theadicts77

Pinside member

CH Zürich

3y 54,050 243 17 26

Quoted from Stemmy:

Vince Carter is 1. He made over a 100mill. Go suck on that. It takes no more than that.

Stiff competition, but this might be the dumbest post in pinside history. Vince Carter is not working at Starbucks you lunatic.

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#20222 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

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5y 136K 8,451

Jimmy Butler opened his own coffee shop during the NBA bubble last year.

Great player, incredibly hard worker (went from homeless as a kid to one of the top players in the league), and an entrepreneur with healthy profit margins

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#20223 2 years ago
 
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greatwichjohn

Great Pinball

CA Halifax, NS

11y 100K 4,532

I would remain positive for another 5 months towards Deep Root. If there is no further news of actual production taking place later this year. Than you really only have the leader to blame! Had a great team of guys dreaming up stuff that should be built. John was only part of the group, not the master.
If you are not paying your staff, or your vendors. Than you have wasted all these years & money for nothing.

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#20224 2 years ago
 
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Mbecker

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US Seattle, WA

10y 104K 4,313 5 14

Quoted from greatwichjohn:

Than you really only have the leader to blame! Had a great team of guys dreaming up stuff that should be built.

You don't think it's been long enough with so much wasted money and time that we can blame RM yet? That was the whole damn problem - he hired a team of guys dreaming stuff up that *should* be built. He didn't do the whole leader thing to hire and steer people to actually do the building of all the dreams. Instead he left john in charge, cause 'he knows pinball', most likely.

His vision of leadership involved wasting tons and tons of money upfront for years because it was going to be so simple to build and offer multiple games at a time. Sadly I expect all those concepts from designers, in whatever state their in, will probably either be trashed or end up in someones private collection as non-working whitewood concepts. If DR calls it quits, hopefully they will at least reveal what people had been working on or auction them off or something. But hey, there's always a chance I'm wrong and these games all get built too. That would blow me away though.

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#20225 2 years ago
 
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SeafaringSpiders

Inactive member

US Los Angeles, CA

2y 21,050 44 8 9

No posts for nearly an hour... Did you guys run out of ways to talk about nothing?

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#20226 2 years ago
 
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Yelobird

The Mod Couple

US Wheaton, IL

20y 160K 10,056 44 37

Quoted from Mbecker:

Instead he left john in charge, cause 'he knows pinball', most likely.

Other then the theories of this thread how do you know this?

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#20227 2 years ago
 
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ForceFlow

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#20228 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

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5y 136K 8,451

Quoted from Hammer1021:

Vin Baker not Vince Carter.

Vin Baker also just won a championship ring as an assistant coach with the Bucks.

Sad that he lost his fortune to addiction, but he seems to have really turned it back around again. I think he just celebrated ten years of sobriety.

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#20229 2 years ago
 
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DudeRegular

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6y 111K 3,419 108

https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/568
The mueller account. No scores posted....

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#20230 2 years ago
 
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NoQuarters

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8y 128K 3,011 13 1

Quoted from DudeRegular:

https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/568
The mueller account. No scores posted....

Maybe he couldn't find the machine or just Too busy attending to other business at the root factory. Inspecting the line, checking quality control on games being built and such. Planning 5 days of Root. Stuff like that.

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#20231 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

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Quoted from DudeRegular:

https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/568
The mueller account. No scores posted....

Wowzers. Forget a smoking gun. What we've got here is a mortar crater.

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#20232 2 years ago
 
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Mbecker

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Quoted from Yelobird:

Other then the theories of this thread how do you know this?

From theories, although some theories here have been backed up to some degree by people involved to varying degrees.. Ben knows very well how John works, the former employee that pops in from time to time, etc.

It would be ironic if RM's leadership style was identical to John's work style that he's shown for the past 8 years or so though. Most of what DR has publicly "debuted" smacked of John - with the whole homebrew section (seriously - cool idea but makes zero sense financially), grand ambitions and ideas (OK this part DOES seem to be RM as well), all the individual customization, and apparent endless tinkering/tweaking rather than Robert stepping in and saying "OK, it's been a year - this game needs to be done and shipping in 6 months".

Can't prove anything though, so yeah just thoughts and speculation.

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#20233 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

Pinside+ Pro!

US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,892 28 49

Quoted from Stemmy:

If nothing else let's get hammered and play pins. That's the point right.

I’m down with that of course brother!!

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#20234 2 years ago
 
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DudeRegular

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6y 111K 3,419 108

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#20235 2 years ago
 
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iceman44

Pinside+ Pro!

US Boerne, TX

13y 162K 26,892 28 49

Quoted from Stemmy:

Lawyers bad investments etc. There are more ex pro athletes that fall into this category than we know.
I don't want to digress from this thread. RM is still a POS

Not sure why you are railing on me. I didn’t do or block anything? Wtf? Still having beers on me.

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#20236 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

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Zomg robert doesn't even play pinball!1!!ONE!!

Anyhow I wonder how secure their online systems actually are. I'm no computer scientist or security expert (I saw Hackers, does that count?). But somewhere there is a server that is talking to the pinball machine to post user scores, exchange user credentials, and such. Remember when Robert said there'd be a link on the Pinbar™ to buy a machine in one step? Good times...

I always figured the biggest delay with Stern games going online is building out the secure servers for the functionality was initially underestimated and has been a back burner project while they focus on keeping the line moving. After all, no body wants their pinball machine hacked to mine crypto and be part of a bot network.

Thinking about it, I'm surprised there hasn't been a computer/hacking theme done before. Johnny Mnemonic is sorta that, but not really. TNA has some of those vibes. Safecracker has the security system mechanics to it.

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#20237 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

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Quoted from DudeRegular:

JPOP
https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/618
also empty

That seems to be the last account made too? You can go forward and back with the numbers and see some more accounts. No scores, but some accounts and even some profile pictures. Most seem like gibberish. Must still be testing all the functionality while the manufacturing side does...something

Some user accounts are just email addresses. Some with German endings? Seems like very bad privacy practices because it's not hard to pull this info. This link pulls up every user account that used their email as their user name: https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user?username=%40

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#20238 2 years ago
 
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DudeRegular

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Quoted from TreyBo69:

That seems to be the last account made too? You can go forward and back with the numbers and see some more accounts. No scores, but some accounts and even some profile pictures. Most seem like gibberish. Must still be testing all the functionality while the manufacturing side does...something
Some user accounts are just email addresses. Some with German endings? Seems like very bad privacy practices because it's not hard to pull this info. This link pulls up every user account that used their email as their user name: https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user?username=%40

Probably not the best setup I agree.

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#20239 2 years ago
 
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benheck

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US Madison, WI

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Quoted from Mbecker:

It would be ironic if RM's leadership style was identical to John's work style that he's shown for the past 8 years or so though. Most of what DR has publicly "debuted" smacked of John.

That's been a major source of my consternation. Knowing John, and knowing how much RM fawned over him, then seeing so many deeproot things that are "so John" it's clear he's either very much in control or has a lot of sway.

This is concerning as John really only works as an art director, in any other capacity he's out of his league and so slow it makes a sloth blush.

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#20240 2 years ago
 
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vdojaq

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US Crystal Lake, IL

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Quoted from greatwichjohn:

The pinball industry is in a all time high & likely will see more expansion. More games from more sources would be a good guess. People can read into what I am saying, & I will not explain anymore of what I know. I might have been a small player in the pinball glass & playfield production. But it has been known by many in the industry of what I have been up to. My personal opinion is there is still hope for Deep Root to do something positive! Pinball production is very hard & hopefully people have learned from all the failures big & small over the last 40 years.

Any truth to the rumbling that the "Gottlieb" name might be preparing for a triumphant return?

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#20241 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

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5y 136K 8,451

I tried to register an account, because I gotta claim xXxPinballWizard420xXx before the masses swarm the site, but I got a 500 internal server error.

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#20242 2 years ago
 
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DudeRegular

Pinside member

6y 111K 3,419 108

User 1 is deeproot

They have latin
Dolorem earum vel sunt ea. Fugiat itaque et laborum officia reiciendis. Reprehenderit excepturi et molestiae deleniti voluptas sunt tenetur. Et velit quae cum maxime

translates to:

Pain to them or to them. Avoid therefore rejects responsibilities and snacks. Welcome pleasure and discomfort are bound to find quo. He wants at any particular

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#20243 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,451

Quoted from DudeRegular:

User 1 is deeproot
They have latin
Dolorem earum vel sunt ea. Fugiat itaque et laborum officia reiciendis. Reprehenderit excepturi et molestiae deleniti voluptas sunt tenetur. Et velit quae cum maxime
translates to:
Pain to them or to them. Avoid therefore rejects responsibilities and snacks. Welcome pleasure and discomfort are bound to find quo. He wants at any particular

That's lorem ipsum. It's a common filler text used in graphic design because it's mostly nonsense, but it has the appearance of normal paragraphs when designing a page before the text is final.

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#20244 2 years ago
 
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DudeRegular

Pinside member

6y 111K 3,419 108

Quoted from TreyBo69:

That's lorem ipsum. It's a common filler text used in graphic design because it's mostly nonsense, but it has the appearance of text when designing a page before the text is final.

Figures it would be something left over. Just posting the interesting stuff I see.

Most interesting so far is one that shows store credits and has a selfie with a guy I don't recognize and JPOP:

https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/90

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#20245 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,451

I see JoeNewhart and Nitro Pinball have accounts. I assume they contacted dr about being distributors?

Also I found the parking lot attendant

https://deeprootpinball.com/community/user/74

Owed 6,069.79 in store credit

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#20246 2 years ago
 
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blueberryjohnson

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US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,726 1

Anyone could register without making a purchase, being an employee or distributor. At least, they could before (sounds like server error currently for person who tried to sign up). Was needed to use the shop.

Anyone, fun to see folks digging into such interesting little things. Pinsiders after my own heart! I also sifted through a bunch of username stuff shortly after the transition from staging site to live.

Publicly displaying people's store credit is a new development. Yikes!

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#20247 2 years ago
 
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TreyBo69

Pinside member

5y 136K 8,451

Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Anyone could register without making a purchase, being an employee or distributor. At least, they could before (sounds like server error currently for person who tried to sign up). Was needed to use the shop.
Anyone, fun to see folks digging into such interesting little things. Pinsiders after my own heart! I also sifted through a bunch of username stuff shortly after the transition from staging site to live.

Oh I didn't realize they made you sign up for the site to order. I guess that make sense

Still...maybe don't let all this stuff be so accessible to chuckleheads like myself. Especially stuff like how much store credit they're owed.

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#20248 2 years ago
 
MOO

snakesnsparklers

Pinside member

9y 92,800 4,828

Quoted from DudeRegular:

User 1 is deeproot
They have latin
Dolorem earum vel sunt ea. Fugiat itaque et laborum officia reiciendis. Reprehenderit excepturi et molestiae deleniti voluptas sunt tenetur. Et velit quae cum maxime
translates to:
Pain to them or to them. Avoid therefore rejects responsibilities and snacks. Welcome pleasure and discomfort are bound to find quo. He wants at any particular

Never reject snacks. WTF kinda rinky dink operation is this???

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#20249 2 years ago
 
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JamesUK

Pinball Bazaar

GB Norwich

5y 38,900 147 3 8

So now people are triggering password resets on accounts. Come on!

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#20250 2 years ago
 
BBJ

blueberryjohnson

Pinside+ Frequent

US Honolulu, HI

8y 101K 4,726 1

Quoted from JamesUK:

So now people are triggering password resets on accounts. Come on!

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