Alice in Wonderland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2013
Celts
Haggis, 2021
Magic Girl
Zidware Pinball USA, 2017
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2012
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Arcade Edition)
Deeproot, 2020
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Xtra Edition)
Deeproot, 2020Quoted from ZNET:Graduating early from a law school ranked in the bottom 25% of all law schools nationwide (Saint Mary's School of Law in San Antonio, TX) is like a chef bragging about landing a job operating a food truck.
EL OH EL
Quoted from Zablon:Hey since you're bored can you track down my Alien shipment?
Looking for mine too. I figure Pinball Brothers are working on drop target replacement.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:New Glassdoor review (and the previous two)
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Deeproot-Tech-Reviews-E2552550.htm
Ya know, when the pre-order peeps are like "why do you care who I give money to"?
This.
I won't support a guy who doesn't pay his workers. End of story.
Quoted from JodyG:Wrong, I legitimately asked about why you felt a certain way. But go ahead and slather on your typical arrogant snark as usual.
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Wow your so right. I didn’t feel the need to tell you how I Feel either so I didn’t reply. Lol
Quoted from Yelobird:Wow your so right. I didn’t feel the need to tell you how I Feel either so I didn’t reply. Lol
But you did reply?
Quoted from Rarehero:Ya know, when the pre-order peeps are like "why do you care who I give money to"?
This.
I won't support a guy who doesn't pay his workers. End of story.
Those three people saying the same thing at different times and the person who was on here saying the same thing could all be lying.
The preorder people should stop worrying about the splinters in everyone else eyes and start worrying about the beam in their own... after seeing those reports from people about not being paid, and the problems with RM, how could you not jump on the refund bandwagon? But then again, these are the people who went diving willingly head first into a cesspool created by a JPop-Loving megalomaniac. Not one to wish bad karma on anyone, but after jumping into a cesspool, it becomes very hard to open your eyes without it burning like fuck.
Quoted from Rarehero:Ya know, when the pre-order peeps are like "why do you care who I give money to"?
This.
I won't support a guy who doesn't pay his workers. End of story.
Wonder how not paying workers looks to the feds who were giving him funny money as recently as April? (A year after Texas reopened)
Not making payroll is about as close to the end a business can be without actually being fully closed.
I've gone from wanting deeproot to fail to wanting them to succeed. This thread is so toxic. Everyone's just dying for an update so they can laugh at misfortune. I hope they pull it off. I hope the preorder people get their games. I hope the second game does better. I hope jjp and Stern have more competition (as if those companies don't have a checkered history).
It seems like RM is waiting to update for something to come in so he can post some progress. I'm sure everyone here will find new, creative ways to hate, but I'm going to hope for the best. I don't have a stake in it, but I would just like to see way less hate around here. This thread is toxic even for pinside. 
Quoted from benheck:Wonder how not paying workers looks to the feds who were giving him funny money as recently as April? (A year after Texas reopened)
Not making payroll is about as close to the end a business can be without actually being fully closed.
Like I said Ben, it could already be wrapped up shut down. Today was hope for you guys
Actually there was a POS truck with 3 wheels on it behind the fence in the back. 
Quoted from Bublehead:The preorder people should stop worrying about the splinters in everyone else eyes and start worrying about the beam in their own... after seeing those reports from people about not being paid, and the problems with RM, how could you not jump on the refund bandwagon? But then again, these are the people who went diving willingly head first into a cesspool created by a JPop-Loving megalomaniac. Not one to wish bad karma on anyone, but after jumping into a cesspool, it becomes very hard to open your eyes without it burning like fuck.
You guys seem to care a whole lot more than I do.
Let me try and put it in perspective for you once again.
1). Most of us have a very small deposit down WITH some nice credits to boot towards a game
2). My local buddy who has played it extensively thinks it’s a “really good fun game”.
3). I know a lot more about what’s going on than I care to share.
4). See #1 above? I dropped a shit load of $$$ in the market this week. High six figs, after making more the previous week. Thus, this little drama fest is very LOW on my give a shit meter.
5). I like F ing with you guys because it’s so high on your give a shit meters and that’s fun! Staying in is worth every penny this thread has delivered in entertainment value.
The real drama won’t be about pinball, trust me on that one
Quoted from seenev:This thread is toxic
RM is toxic, JPop is toxic, RAZA is toxic, and the whole mess is toxic to pinball in general. What good is DR doing for pinball right now, today? None in my book. Not paying workers, taking PPP loans, not delivering a product, not doing anything with one exception, donating swag for the auction for the poor sick boy with cancer. It would be a wonder if this this thread was NOT toxic.
Quoted from seenev:I've gone from wanting deeproot to fail to wanting them to succeed. This thread is so toxic. Everyone's just dying for an update so they can laugh at misfortune. I hope they pull it off. I hope the preorder people get their games. I hope the second game does better. I hope jjp and Stern have more competition (as if those companies don't have a checkered history).
It seems like RM is waiting to update for something to come in so he can post some progress. I'm sure everyone here will find new, creative ways to hate, but I'm going to hope for the best. I don't have a stake in it, but I would just like to see way less hate around here. This thread is toxic even for pinside.
Well, first...most of us aren't wanting them to fail, we just are realistic. Not much else to do but poke fun at the situation until something develops. Expect the worst, be less surprised when it happens. Being cheerful and optimistic is a deluded attitude and is why everyone is always so crazy and need medicated when things don't go their way. You can see it in the way they post. I can think of one poster in particular. They are the first to crack when shit hits the fan, even though their loud and over the top presentation of their opinions win over people. It's a trait people are drawn to for some crazy reason. The reality is they are fragile and its posturing to convince themselves. They hate people who are down to earth and tell them how life really works. There's a difference between being positive and being blindly optimistic. We are posting here out of boredom. It's the internet, but more and more people expect an echo chamber to tell them how right they are so they feel better about themselves.
Zablon, MD.
Quoted from Bublehead:It would be a wonder if this this thread was NOT toxic.
This thread is the antidote to toxins. It’s pretty chill, actually - seems filled with rational people having nice conversation.
Then again there are lots of posts I can’t see. lol
People keep saying posts are out of boredom, but I find the theory positing and digging around for breadcrumbs interesting.
There's a genre of hobby called alternate reality games where up to thousands of people from around the internet get together to follow the development of strange and mysterious stories that unfold across different platforms and try to figure out what's going on.
I've never participated in an ARG, but this feels like one. Except that deeproot is putatively a real business and the alternate reality is just what goes on inside John and Robert's heads.
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:People keep saying posts are out of boredom, but I find the theory positing and digging around for breadcrumbs interesting.
There's a genre of hobby called alternate reality games where up to thousands of people from around the internet get together to follow the development of strange and mysterious stories that unfold across different platforms and try to figure out what's going on.
I've never participated in an ARG, but this feels like one. Except that deeproot is putatively a real business and the alternate reality is just what goes on inside John and Robert's heads.
I say boredom, and it's just a generalization meaning most people don't hold a whole lot of stock in the thread or what is being said, just mingling and waiting to see the outcome and having a bit of fun with it in the meantime. Save for the people with down payments, and people with history with JP and RM, not many people have any dog in this race.
Quoted from benheck:Wonder how not paying workers looks to the feds who were giving him funny money as recently as April? (A year after Texas reopened)
Not making payroll is about as close to the end a business can be without actually being fully closed.
unfortunately... Glassdoor screens and verifies reports about as much as Yelp. Meaning, be careful taking anything as real gospel. It's good gossip, but not exactly immune from manipulation either.
Quoted from Rarehero:This thread is the antidote to toxins.
Well, here is one thing I have done... gone back and looked at just my posts in chronological order... My opinion has definitely "spanned the globe" as the saga drags on. But one thing is definitely true for me, the saga has given me my share of laughs and groans.
491F4BA0-6AF3-4D8A-8D26-E9B0B4E6DD37 (resized).jpegQuoted from benheck:I want deeproot to fail. We don't need patent trolls in this hobby.
Holy crap Ben, who knew! Lol
I worry about you if your favorite villain disappears
For me it’s a mix of boredom and a genuine enjoyment of discussing the industry, design philosophy, and rubber necking a train crash. Some of the people in the thread are pleasant to chit chat with.
The bread crumbs are fun, but at a certain point I don’t want to be too obsessive or behave like a stalker. They’re real people and it’s just a silly company.
If I lived near by I wouldn’t be counting cars in the parking lot like a creeper. But I probably would have gone to the coffee shop to play it some during the public test and pick the brain of any employees who’d talk to me in a non-confrontational way. Although I would go dumpster diving for thrown out white woods they day they close shop. I want to know what the hell people like Oursler, Nordman, and Norris were up to for so long. I hope that stuff makes it out of there one way or another.
I don’t have to wish them to go out of business. They’re going to because of Robert.
Quoted from seenev:I've gone from wanting deeproot to fail to wanting them to succeed. This thread is so toxic. Everyone's just dying for an update so they can laugh at misfortune. I hope they pull it off. I hope the preorder people get their games. I hope the second game does better. I hope jjp and Stern have more competition (as if those companies don't have a checkered history).
It seems like RM is waiting to update for something to come in so he can post some progress. I'm sure everyone here will find new, creative ways to hate, but I'm going to hope for the best. I don't have a stake in it, but I would just like to see way less hate around here. This thread is toxic even for pinside.
Truth doesnt mean Toxic.
Care to straighten out the record? What is it people in this thread dont see, outside if ICE who has implied he has seen the pins and its all systems go. Doesnt make any of the truths( unpaid workers, no pre-order money, paid subscription stupidity etc etc) any more wrong, or toxic. It just hurts your feelings, like the German dude who said a post was criminal. Maybe there, but not here, yet...
Quoted from iceman44:Holy crap Ben, who knew! Lol
I worry about you if your favorite villain disappears
That's like a person worrying after their cancer is removed.
Maybe you guys should make some original shit instead of worrying what everyone else is doing. Then you wouldn’t have to worry about patents.
Here is some T-Pain for you telling it straight up
Quoted from thechakapakuni:Maybe you guys should make some original shit instead of worrying what everyone else is doing. Then you wouldn’t have to worry about patents.
Here is some T-Pain for you telling it straight up
That is pathetic. TPains biggest hit was Im on a Boat, and that aint original ha
Quoted from Roostking:That is pathetic. TPains biggest hit was Im on a Boat, and that aint original ha
At least it was original, and it has 67M views. T-Pain winning
Quoted from thechakapakuni:At least it was original, and it has 67M views. T-Pain winning
Wish I was partying on a boat with Tpain!
Quoted from Roostking:That is pathetic. TPains biggest hit was Im on a Boat, and that aint original ha
Fuck I love that song. In my flippy floppies.
Quoted from thechakapakuni:What? RIP Biz. But why did AC/DC downvote? Is that sadness? Damn BIZ is a legend!
Rappers were brought into the fold and I just heard so wanted to let the world of deeproot know. I was just listening to him a few weeks back with one of my sons, he will be missed.
Quoted from SeafaringSpiders:So much activity I thought there was real news. Just more of the same around here.
Pour out a 40z for Deeproot
Quoted from SeafaringSpiders:So much activity I thought there was real news. Just more of the same around here.
Supposed to be an announcement on Monday from Deeproot. I still think these games are eventually going to be made and I'm keeping a good thought for the Zidware and pre-order people. They sure have paid their dues in more ways than one.
Quoted from Mr68:Supposed to be an announcement on Monday from Deeproot. I still think these games are eventually going to be made and I'm keeping a good thought for the Zidware and pre-order people. They sure have paid their dues in more ways than one.
It’s so sad that after all this time, heartbreak, and struggle, their reward would be....a RAZA.
Quoted from Mr68:Supposed to be an announcement on Monday from Deeproot. I still think these games are eventually going to be made and I'm keeping a good thought for the Zidware and pre-order people. They sure have paid their dues in more ways than one.
I agree in part, it's been NINE FRIGGING YEARS it would be nice for some closure. Either they get games or it's dead and buried forever. Either or.
Still. Good chunk of Zidware marks didn't sign on for deeproot. John also sold more AIW than you probably realize, certainly far more than Magic Girl. Vendors still pissed, probably doesn't help DR supply issues (maybe don't hire a debtor scammer?)
When they do fart out some games I wonder how long till the inevitable maintenance threads.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re hiring green engineers fresh out of school to design all the components. Does anyone seriously think they’ve been running lots of testing rigs to check on the reliability? To say nothing of the low wages for the assemblers and any fabrication theyre doing in house.
Not trying to be negative and pessimistic, but come on. Every new manufacturer’s first offering and first few units of a new game has some various level of jank to them. And deeproot is trying A LOT of new complicated things, like the lift system, their own pinball controller, and the PinBar™
Quoted from Mr68:Supposed to be an announcement on Monday from Deeproot. I still think these games are eventually going to be made and I'm keeping a good thought for the Zidware and pre-order people. They sure have paid their dues in more ways than one.
Something is better than nothing for sure. But even if they would deliver RAZA's who would order from this company in the future after all this ? I think the goose is cooked either way.
As Ben says - closure is needed. Someway, somehow. Would be nice if Zidware refugees got something.
Quoted from NoQuarters:Something is better than nothing for sure. But even if they would deliver RAZA's who would order from this company in the future after all this ? I think the goose is cooked either way.
As Ben says - closure is needed. Someway, somehow. Would be nice if Zidware refugees got something.
The “Zidware refugees” were already - miraculously - offered refunds. Many of them accepted this gift from the gods.
Others apparently slipped in the shower that week and hit their heads, and decided they’d just let it ride.
Hard to buy into the “won’t somebody think of the refugees” storyline at this point.
Quoted from benheck:Still. Good chunk of Zidware marks didn't sign on for deeproot. John also sold more AIW than you probably realize, certainly far more than Magic Girl. Vendors still pissed, probably doesn't help DR supply issues (maybe don't hire a debtor scammer?)
122 RAZA customers and the majority of those are the pre-order people. I'm guessing 20 or so are the Zidware people that signed up and weren't rejected. (Applicant Cointaker was arbitrarily denied for example) Compare that to the lengthy Jpop bankruptcy list of vendors and individuals (public record) and they wont have scratched the surface of what all is owed.
Its embarrassing, its inadequate, but a sip of water for some is better than nothing.
Quoted from benheck:That's like a person worrying after their cancer is removed.
Equating John with killing people now?
He’s a bad guy, done some terrible things, and I know he’s living in your head rent free, owns a big chunk of space there, but “cancer” is not funny and a bit harsh don’t you think?
Not a good thing to be hyperbolic with?
Quoted from NoQuarters:Something is better than nothing for sure. But even if they would deliver RAZA's who would order from this company in the future after all this ? I think the goose is cooked either way.
As Ben says - closure is needed. Someway, somehow. Would be nice if Zidware refugees got something.
Gee thanks for that support of hoping we get something. Lol
If they survive and make great games in the future pinball people are the most fickle people on the planet and you know it. Not saying it will happen so don’t get your panties in a wad!
It might already be over so you can hang on to that this weekend and put a smile on you face
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