Alice in Wonderland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2013
Celts
Haggis, 2021
Magic Girl
Zidware Pinball USA, 2017
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Zidware Pinball USA, 2012
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Arcade Edition)
Deeproot, 2020
Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland (Xtra Edition)
Deeproot, 2020Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Leaked Future Deeproot Themes??
Titanic
The Money Pit
The Neverending Story
The Emperor's New Clothes (Mueller design)
Space Shuttle Challenger
Theranos
Dazed and Confused
Better off Dead
Return of the Living Dead
The Big Short
Re-Animator
Endgame
Quoted from benheck:Dazed and Confused
Better off Dead
Return of the Living Dead
The Big Short
Re-Animator
Endgame
The Big Sleep
Same Time Next Year
Poiseidon Adventure
Towering Inferno
The Legend of the Fall
Into the Abyss
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Leaked Future Deeproot Themes??
Titanic
The Money Pit
The Neverending Story
The Emperor's New Clothes (Mueller design)
Space Shuttle Challenger
Theranos
Remake of “The Black Hole” or
Less than Zero
Quoted from Bublehead:The Big Sleep
Same Time Next Year
Poiseidon Adventure
Towering Inferno
The Legend of the Fall
Into the Abyss
Quoted from Fulltilt:The diss'in on Deeproot
Ain't gonna' change shit for Jpop
Raza gonna' rock your world
I love your enthusiasm. Fact is John is not a great designer. All of his games needed help to get them correct
TOM needed help and is likely his best game. That was over 25 years ago.
Recent games from SWE1 have been horrible. I do think RAZA will be okay as it is Cyclone redone and much cooler. However, I must be unbiased on his design ability and call it very cool visually with severe design flaws that others fixed.
Quoted from hank527:I love your enthusiasm.
You are mistaken my friend.... I was just making a perfect Haiku. Seems to be the 'thing' now.
My enthusiasm is pretty minimal these days. My enthusiasm and money was gone about 7 years ago when John dropped off the face of the earth.
He had been a thorn in my side ever since, so I decided a while ago to just go with whatever the fuck happens now.
If I get a pin from Deeproot it's gonna' be glorious. If I don't, well nothing much has really changed has it.
There ya go.
John played out his hand.
Deeproot has all the cards now.
Success would be golden.
Quoted from Fulltilt:You are mistaken my friend.... I was just making a perfect Haiku. Seems to be the 'thing' now.
My enthusiasm is pretty minimal these days. My enthusiasm and money was gone about 7 years ago when John dropped off the face of the earth.
He had been a thorn in my side ever since, so I decided a while ago to just go with whatever the fuck happens now.
If I get a pin from Deeproot it's gonna' be glorious. If I don't, well nothing much has really changed has it.
There ya go.
John played out his hand.
Deeproot has all the cards now.
Success would be golden.
Nice. I’m liking it. I do hope you get your game. I lost with him as well. The phone conversations alone let me know he didn’t know what he was doing, yet I kept confident he could get it done.
This is a power of the masses thing as most of us knew, we were just in denial.
The game will have better art than Thunderbirds. More stuff on it than Mafia. Look more professional than Predator.
That’s a very low bar.
I hope to hear an update from deeproot this week. They don't owe me one as a non-customer, but I'm still very interested in hearing how things are going as a pinball enthusiast (and maybe a Food Truck owner in the future). I don't want them to fail and hope they've listened to some of the more constructive feedback. They'd gin up a lot of enthusiasm with just a couple pictures of boxes filled with parts like lockdown bars and Ned sculpts.
If you're a pre-order customer and get an update, I ask you to share. I think it's best for the hobby that everyone knows how deeproot handles customer service and expectations. It's also a good chance for deeproot to occasionally clear up some miss-understandings.
Quoted from TreyBo69:They don't owe me one as a non-customer, but I'm still very interested in hearing how things are going as a pinball enthusiast (and maybe a Food Truck owner in the future).
Well, that's the thing. They spent years blowing umpteen thousands of dollars sponsoring shows when they had no product to sell. Now that they're open for business and the rubber has met the road, they have nothing to say. That's not how to create new customers.
Really there's nothing they should say. Actions speak louder than words, their goal should be getting the games made.
And yes we joke about thr Suez canal but truth is manufacturing is rough right now. Can't blame that one on Jpop.
Quoted from Fulltilt:If I get a pin from Deeproot it's gonna' be glorious. If I don't, well nothing much has really changed has it.
This is why Fulltilt is the man in both of the Deeproot threads. Well played my Honey Badger friend. 
Quoted from benheck:Really there's nothing they should say. Actions speak louder than words, their goal should be getting the games made.
And yes we joke about thr Suez canal but truth is manufacturing is rough right now. Can't blame that one on Jpop.
It's cool they freed the ship!
Every time I hear the words "Deep Root", my sphincter puckers a little, because it sounds like what they want to do to either my wallet, or my anus, and I am not to sure if they care about which or in what order. Don't know too many people who want a "deep root" of their wallet or their anus, unless of course thats the way you roll. This pandemic has given me way to much time to ponder the more unsophisticated aspects of life.
Quoted from Zablon:Sweet! Prices of everything should drop 25% by tomorrow right? right? RIGHT???
I was hoarding toilet paper again...
Quoted from metallik:Games are coming along, they're making the Zidware(tm) slingshot assemblies now....
https://imgur.com/gallery/Bj59FRC
Nah, missing the iconic ‘z’ logo
Quoted from Fulltilt:You are mistaken my friend.... I was just making a perfect Haiku. Seems to be the 'thing' now.
My enthusiasm is pretty minimal these days. My enthusiasm and money was gone about 7 years ago when John dropped off the face of the earth.
He had been a thorn in my side ever since, so I decided a while ago to just go with whatever the fuck happens now.
If I get a pin from Deeproot it's gonna' be glorious. If I don't, well nothing much has really changed has it.
There ya go.
John played out his hand.
Deeproot has all the cards now.
Success would be golden.
I respect the positivity- just 1 comment...
The perfect haiku is broken into lines of 5,7,5 syllables
""We plan to update customers again by the end of March. If you have any questions, please contact us at [email protected] or by visiting the website.
Best! -Robert J. Mueller""
Let's see how close I get:
"The COVID-19 pandemic has been a challenging time for all of us. This is especially true in the world of manufacturing which had been experiencing massive delays thanks to a one-two punch of demand and backlog.
We're not immune to this either, and it's even harder as a new manufacturer without mature pipelines in place. We're still finalizing some sourcing for RAZA, but in the meantime we've been spooling up our Quad Manufacturing line. Once all parts are in house we expect to complete all RAZA orders within 17 minutes.
HEY YOU GUYS! "
-Robert Mueller
What are the odds Stern swipes the Goonies license because it will take deeproot forever to get to it? They could at least strong arm them and drive up the license cost as a return for all the shit talking and publicly calling out their employees in advertising material.
Quoted from TreyBo69:What are the odds Stern swipes the Goonies license because it will take deeproot forever to get to it? They could at least strong arm them and drive up the license cost as a return for all the shit talking and publicly calling out their employees in advertising material.
If Stern wanted the Goonies license they'd have it.
I don't understand why anybody thinks Deep Root actually has this license, or for that matter, The Who. There's zero evidence they actually do.
People don't seem to realize it's not easy nor cheap to get licenses. That's why Stern is the best at it - they've been doing it for 30 years, they have people working for them who have relationships and experience and are good at this. They have the resources to lock down the licenses people actually want, over and over and over.
You don't just wave your wand and "get" a license. And once you manage to secure one you don't just sit on it for 10 years or however long it takes you to actually make a game. These things have a shelf life.
I don't see what would be so difficult about getting the license if you have a blank check and hire a licensing consultant. They may be in over their heads negotiating it and have unrealistic internal projects relative to when the license expires, but deeproot seems to be able to afford it. Robert is a lawyer, so it seems to be in his wheelhouse (compared to starting a manufacturing company)
Sure Stern is great at licensing. I don't dispute that.
And just to say, I was questioning whether or not they actually had the licenses months ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:I don't see what would be so difficult about getting the license if you have a blank check and hire a licensing consultant. They may be in over their heads negotiating it and have unrealistic internal projects relative to when the license expires, but deeproot seems to be able to afford it. Robert is a lawyer, so it seems to be in his wheelhouse (compared to starting a manufacturing company)
Sure Stern is great at licensing. I don't dispute that.
And just to say, I was questioning whether or not they actually had the licenses months ago
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twip-is-deeproot-the-next-misadventure-or-a-pinball-revolution/page/311#post-6076569
They should just hire Roger Sharpe. He gets it done.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I don't see what would be so difficult about getting the license if you have a blank check and hire a licensing consultant. They may be in over their heads negotiating it and have unrealistic internal projects relative to when the license expires, but deeproot seems to be able to afford it.
It's not just money. You have to prove manufacturing ability and capacity to meet sales goals. Dutch Pinball could win the lottery and afford the rights to Harry Potter but WB isn't going to grant to license to a garage team building a game a week.
Quoted from benheck:Let's see how close I get:
"The COVID-19 pandemic has been a challenging time for all of us. This is especially true in the world of manufacturing which had been experiencing massive delays thanks to a one-two punch of demand and backlog.
We're not immune to this either, and it's even harder as a new manufacturer without mature pipelines in place. We're still finalizing some sourcing for RAZA, but in the meantime we've been spooling up our Quad Manufacturing line. Once all parts are in house we expect to complete all RAZA orders within 17 minutes.
HEY YOU GUYS! "
-Robert Mueller
It would be hilarious if they copied/pasted that as the email.
Quoted from NevadaNutJob:I still don’t get why Goonies is a license you’d want . Zero interest
That's just how it goes. Every game there is going to be someone who has zero interest, regardless of gameplay.
Quoted from benheck:It's not just money. You have to prove manufacturing ability and capacity to meet sales goals. Dutch Pinball could win the lottery and afford the rights to Harry Potter but WB isn't going to grant to license to a garage team building a game a week.
They got The Big Lebowski which I would consider to be on the same tier as The Goonies. (Also lots of licensed music and some other various things)
I know DP was playing it fast and loose with their TBL license and went through a few licensing consultants to button it all up. But they got it done.
I think they're all Universal properties.
Quoted from TreyBo69:They got The Big Lebowski which I would consider to be on the same tier as The Goonies. (Also lots of licensed music and some other various things)
I know DP was playing it fast and loose with their TBL license and went through a few licensing consultants to button it all up. But they got it done.
I think they're all Universal properties.
good point - Universal is pretty liberal about granting licenses, unlike WB and Disney, who have extremely strict guidelines. And Harry Potter also is directly controlled by the author lady, and so far up the chain only the biggest things or companies with previous relationships get approved.
Quoted from Zablon:It would be hilarious if they copied/pasted that as the email.
I would consider that to be literary plagiarism without a license!
Quoted from NevadaNutJob:I still don’t get why Goonies is a license you’d want . Zero interest
Whaaaa? How dare you sir! 
Quoted from NevadaNutJob:I still don’t get why Goonies is a license you’d want . Zero interest
80's Nostalgia sells pins. Look at GB. I guess you didn't grow up with the movie? Most people in their late 30's-mid40's love it. It's iconic, funny, has great characters and great music. Would sell great to the pinball demo & do well on location if locations ever come back.
Do I think DR will ever actually make it? No. 
Quoted from Goonie:Whaaaa? How dare you sir!
CHESTA COPPAPOT!!!
Quoted from No_Pickles:I respect the positivity- just 1 comment...
The perfect haiku is broken into lines of 5,7,5 syllables
Maybe it's my NC pronunciation, but Diss'in and gonna' are 1 syllable each.
And Deeproot is 2.
I would be all over a Goonies Pin!! Family Fun ultimate adventure! Samwise as a kid!! He wasn’t dropping no eaves in the Goonies either!!
I saw the movie recently.
Fun nostalgic trip down memory lane but it wasn’t exactly as thrilling as a 46-year old as it was for an 11-year old seeing it with friends in the theater. Pretty sure I’ll go at least another 35 years before I see it again.
If this is the “mega 80s movie license hint hint back to the future” that they promised I’m not too impressed. I don’t think this one would be much of a needle-mover.
I always thought a Pink Floyd pin would be a "needle mover" back in the 90's but not that much anymore. It might hit a nerve initially, but it's not going to move more machines than any other rock band pin IMHO. Thought the same about a Who pin with a retro throw-back to the Wizard machine, with new layout, rules, might again bump the needle, but send it into the stratosphere? Probably not. Now do a Pixar Incredibles machine and give it the full on Avengers treatment or a Toy Story, skipping the woefully horrible 4th installment... that might work... how about Olaf's Frozen Pinball Adventure? Where the damn thing belts out a verse of "Let it Go" every 10 minutes in attract mode? What father of a young female child could resist that request from the Christmas wish list? God, grant me the calmness to find my revolver so I can silence the things I can, shoot the things I can't, and the wisdom to know that unplugging the damn thing might have been a better option.
Quoted from Bublehead:I always thought a Pink Floyd pin would be a "needle mover" back in the 90's but not that much anymore. It might hit a nerve initially, but it's not going to move more machines than any other rock band pin IMHO. Thought the same about a Who pin with a retro throw-back to the Wizard machine, with new layout, rules, might again bump the needle, but send it into the stratosphere? Probably not. Now do a Pixar Incredibles machine and give it the full on Avengers treatment or a Toy Story, skipping the woefully horrible 4th installment... that might work... how about Olaf's Frozen Pinball Adventure? Were the damn thing belts out a verse of "Let it Go" every 10 minutes in attract mode? What father of a young female child could resist that request from the Christmas wish list? God, grant me the calmness to find my revolver so I can silence the things I can, shoot the things I can't, and the wisdom to know that unplugging the damn thing might have been a better option.
Bubble we gonna have to disagree on this. Note I stopped reading after you were done talking about Pink Floyd.
Pink Floyd is probably the biggest rock band of all time; that goes without saying. The sheer massive, consistent volume of albums they moved - and CONTINUE to move; one after the other. The entire 1970s into 1980. And their music is legendary, and even deep cuts are sick slabs of classic rock. David Gilmour is the greatest rock guitarist of all time. His licks, his phrasing, his tone and FX simply define classic rock and always will. Nobody ever changes the station when a Floyd song - ANY Floyd song - is playing.
Floyd would be a PERFECT license for an upstart "boutique" company that will be selling top tier price games to fewer people. THis is the JJP model taken to the extreme, and the polar opposite of Stern. Floyd would be a monster hit for any company, but surely it would bring the most increased degree of attention to an upstart.
It would be like COMET LEDs somehow scoring a Super Bowl commercial.
We all know if games actually start coming off the line, it'll be slow as molasses. Like Spooky making "Haunted" speed. So they better be able to have a huge preorder list and just churn an expensive title out for years. Food Truck ain't gonna do that, beyond the morbid curiousity seekers. Floyd would be like Alien, a license that was simply irresistible to the hardcores and makes plenty of people abandon caution and throw money into the void.
Into the Floyd Void.
Look I'll be brutally honest and bold here, and without reservation or clause state:
If an upstart company - say, Deeproot - were to score the FLoyd license;
and I mean actually get it, and prove they have it, they don't even need to make a game;
I would have to shut the fuck up forever and I would most certainly have to take a seat when it comes to any and all matters Deep Root.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Bubble we gonna have to disagree on this. Note I stopped reading after you were done talking about Pink Floyd.
Pink Floyd is probably the biggest rock band of all time; that goes without saying. The sheer massive, consistent volume of albums they moved - and CONTINUE to move; one after the other. The entire 1970s into 1980. And their music is legendary, and even deep cuts are sick slabs of classic rock. David Gilmour is the greatest rock guitarist of all time. His licks, his phrasing, his tone and FX simply define classic rock and always will. Nobody ever changes the station when a Floyd song - ANY Floyd song - is playing.
Floyd would be a PERFECT license for an upstart "boutique" company that will be selling top tier price games to fewer people. THis is the JJP model taken to the extreme, and the polar opposite of Stern. Floyd would be a monster hit for any company, but surely it would bring the most increased degree of attention to an upstart.
It would be like COMET LEDs somehow scoring a Super Bowl commercial.
We all know if games actually start coming off the line, it'll be slow as molasses. Like Spooky making "Haunted" speed. So they better be able to have a huge preorder list and just churn an expensive title out for years. Food Truck ain't gonna do that, beyond the morbid curiousity seekers. Floyd would be like Alien, a license that was simply irresistible to the hardcores and makes plenty of people abandon caution and throw money into the void.
Into the Floyd Void.
Look I'll be brutally honest and bold here, and without reservation or clause state:
If an upstart company - say, Deeproot - were to score the FLoyd license;
and I mean actually get it, and prove they have it, they don't even need to make a game;
I would have to shut the fuck up forever and I would most certainly have to take a seat when it comes to any and all matters Deep Root.
Oh Crazy, I love ya, and I'm right there with you on Pink Floyd the band, one of my favorites as well, I've seen them 4 times in concert, I have the gold CD versions of Darkside and WYWH... the whole box set, etc... etc..., I even have a reject letter from their management (somewhere) when I tried to submit a t-shirt graphic for use during the Momentary Lapse tour. Love the band, but like you, I would be in line for one if they make one. I just don't think there is much hope of getting the license, or how well it will sell against the saturated rock band pin market... you may be right to quote Billy Joel, or you may be Crazy... Levi your post made me lol by the way....
Quoted from Bublehead:Oh Crazy, I love ya, and I'm right there with you on Pink Floyd the band, one of my favorites as well, I've seen them 4 times in concert, I have the gold CD versions of Darkside and WYWH... the whole box set, etc... etc..., I even have a reject letter from their management (somewhere) when I tried to submit a t-shirt graphic for use during the Momentary Lapse tour. Love the band, but like you, I would be in line for one if they make one. I just don't think there is much hope of getting the license, or how well it will sell against the saturated rock band pin market... you may be right to quote Billy Joel, or you may be Crazy... Levi your post made me lol by the way....
Do you think it pisses Billy Joel off that Elton has a pinball machine and he doesn't?
I mean, it's fun to think so, but Billy's fat ass strikes me as one that hasn't given a shit about anything since probably the Carter Administration.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Do you think it pisses Billy Joel off that Elton has a pinball machine and he doesn't?
I mean, it's fun to think so, but Billy's fat ass strikes me as one that hasn't given a shit about anything since probably the Carter Administration.
I watched a documentary called Hired Guns (decent doc - go check it out) and it had a segment about Billy's drummer and what he (Joel) did to the rest of his band. Lets just say Billy Joel comes off as one egotistical son of a bitch, and thats being kind. I like his music, but I separated the art from the artist a long time ago with Billy, not a great human being according to that documentary. And boy are we WAY the phuck off topic now...
Quoted from Bublehead:And boy are we WAY the phuck off topic now.
Nah, we’ll connect it back full circle. Billy J’s main music genres are described as Rock and pop, like in the name John popadiuk. Billy is a top selling music artist whereas John is a top selling pinball artist. .. no wait that’s not right. They apparently do both have huge egos though. Like the head of Deeproot. Speaking of deeproot, I guess the update is tmrw.. being the final day of March. Very dramatic to wait until the last day, creates maximum buzz and all lol.
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