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Quoted from Rdoyle1978:So... even their one innovation isn’t innovative?
Jpop steals/invents a lot of great ideas
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Quoted from jorro:Jpop steals/invents a lot of great ideas
Like Harry Williams' disappearing jet bumper?
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Quoted from frolic:Looks like prior art to me.
I too question the "innovativeness" here, but that (depending on the claims) is not really prior art. Now whether its obvious is an entirely different matter. That is where I would expect this to be struck down if they did try to actually patent it.
DLC is justified only when the number of base units sold is high enough to justify the costs like for video games.
For pinball machines sold in the hundreds, from a business perspective, DLC is a no go.
DR will do it because they are on a mission to redo every single thing that has ever been done in pinball but this will just be another complexity added to their mountain of other complexities that will bog them down probably indefinitely.
And DLC is certainly not necessary for a first release.
San Francisco, CA
Quoted from o-din:disappearing jet bumper
I can't believe I just now saw this (After 8 years in the hobby)...
1958???
what *didn't* EM designers think of?
Quoted from mof:I can't believe I just saw this...
1958???
what *didn't* EM designers think of?
My snarky answer is ramps, but I know there are EMs with them.
Honestly it always amazes me what the EM designers were able to do.
Edmonton, AB
Quoted from wamonkey:So - this thread goes on and on and nothing is ever announced. It should be called the random pinside thread to talk about everything...
One day .... Someday it will be about a Pinball machine from DeepRoot
Quoted from wamonkey:So - this thread goes on and on and nothing is ever announced. It should be called the random pinside thread to talk about everything....
I think this is sad -
There’s no crying in pinball dude.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:There’s no crying in pinball dude.
and there's no production in deep root.
Quoted from mof:what *didn't* EM designers think of?
Preorders, fanboys, overhyping products they were yet to make, theme more important than game play, shit on the lockbar you don't need , TV screen displays that show cartoons, political correctness, and getting any ideas about what to make from websites like pinside. I'm sure I missed a few though.
Quoted from o-din:I'm sure I missed a few though.
They even thought of outdated retro themes!
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Quoted from o-din:I'm sure I missed a few though.
Blinding stadium lighting comes to mind...but still a ‘mike drop’ post O-din.
Quoted from yancy:They even thought of outdated retro themes!
Oh yeah! You want pirates, vikings, cowboys, indians, and even clowns, they thought all that up before it became standard procedure. But, when it came to licensed themes, they were almost as current as you can get.
Quoted from thirdedition:My snarky answer is ramps, but I know there are EMs with them.
Honestly it always amazes me what the EM designers were able to do.
Ramps date back to the prewar games of the 1930s. In fact, most pinball innovations that we associate with modern machines were introduced in 1934 except, of course, the Pinbar.
Quoted from ZNET:Ramps date back to the prewar games of the 1930s. In fact, most pinball innovations that we associate with modern machines were introduced in 1934 except, of course, the Pinbar.
This is so true. I was just having a conversation this last weekend that the greatest amount of true innovation in pinball was in the 1930s when you could try almost anything and there were no rules you had to follow. The assortment of ideas make modern pins look like carbon copies of one another other than for the paint job. Good thing we will now have Pinbar to allow us to easily tell games apart.
Düsseldorf
The thumbnail on my phone only showed Simon & Garfunkel before I hit the play button . I was expecting bridge over troubled water but this works equally well .
Hello Pinside my old friend
We've come to innovate again
We slapped an LCD on a pointy lockdown bar
There were numerous fallacy arguments involving a car
And the patents were filed for a built in playfield rotisserie
for all to see
and yet all we hear are the sounds...of silence
[best I could do before lunch]
Quoted from wamonkey:So - this thread goes on and on and nothing is ever announced. It should be called the random pinside thread to talk about everything....
I think this is sad -
Careful, the off-topic police will get ya!
Quoted from transprtr4u:One day .... Someday it will be about a Pinball machine from DeepRoot
Some Day.... Are they the longest announced pinball maker WITHOUT actually producing a working pinball machine?
Quoted from Valorguy:Some Day.... Are they the longest announced pinball maker WITHOUT actually producing a working pinball machine?
It's best to say 'pinball design studio' at the moment ?
Quoted from aeneas:It's best to say 'pinball design studio' at the moment ?
is it.... ???
Quoted from Valorguy:Some Day.... Are they the longest announced pinball maker WITHOUT actually producing a working pinball machine?
That's tough to say.
Bally Australia promised both a CC and MM remake about 15 years ago and never officially cancelled the project. Wasn't some lunatic here whining a few years ago about not getting his game yet?
Magic Girl is still awaiting an official production release.
Lebowski is in some weird nether limbo.
Would be hard to give this award to anybody without reservations!
I’m coining a new term for pinball that is hyped forever but never comes out (following the software industry)...
vaporball
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Hello Pinside my old friend
We've come to innovate again
We slapped an LCD on a pointy lockdown bar
There were numerous fallacy arguments involving a car
And the patents were filed for a built in playfield rotisserie
for all to see
and yet all we hear are the sounds...of silence
[best I could do before lunch]
I'll give it a shot;
Goodbye Deeproot my old friend
When will this train wreck ever end?
Pinball is easy; Stern's success is a fluke
and then you went and hired Popadiuk
and that Pinbar was the best he could do in years
Goodbye careers
and Robert's crass defiance
cyberpunk 2077 just pushed their release date back another month and are now getting death threats on twitter (and their employees are working 100 hour work weeks)
http://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/10/28/21538525/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-red-death-threats-game-delay
3d games are also hard.
Quoted from PismoArcade:I'll give it a shot;
Goodbye Deeproot my old friend
When will this train wreck ever end?
Pinball is easy; Stern's success is a fluke
and then you went and hired Popadiuk
and that Pinbar was the best he could do in years
Goodbye careers
and Robert's crass defiance
Lmao the “fluke/popaduk” got me!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Lmao the “fluke/popaduk” got me!
Thanks.
It's my follow up to "I Dropped the Escalera". 
Verse 2;
Fool, said John, You do not know
why I work so freakin' slow
I had to work on that KISS prototype
Took credit for the Zombie Yeti hype
Bankrupted Zidware; and wasted Bill Brandes' time
(I have no rhyme)
I guess I need some guidance
And a bunch of pinball nerds who can get laid
Became aroused at the protos made
Sure they may have been built of styrofoam
Or empty boxes made of lights and chrome
And the words of the lawyers were written on the deep root page
Bringing iceman’s Rage
And still all we hear are the sounds
Of silence
Hello down there in San Antone.
Your so called Beta event was a bone.
You offered us two new backbox designs.
When the original one was just fine.
And innovation! Hey! Where is the damn Pinbar?
Har Dee Har.
And all we have....
Is nothing.
Quoted from russdx:Jeez this thread has literally hit rock bottom, I thought it had before but I was wrong...
...
...But then you broke out into song
A parody of Simon and funk
About the pinbar (tm) and all that junk
And no Tex med brunch was ever to be served!
declined the payout, got what you deserved
We hear only the sounds
Of silence
And the people bowed and prayed
To the fake neon charade
But Ben flashed out his warning
With his words on Pinside each morning
And his post said "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, Bob's button was pushed"
And whispered in the sounds... of deeproot
Hello pinside my old friend
I came to the deeproot thread again
Where nothing just keeps repeating
Where the believers just keep seeking
And there's the familiar smell ...of failure
And here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Mueller loves you more than all his dough
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Bob pays your fees, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinside holds a thread for those who pray
Pay, pay, pay
Wait, wait, wait
So here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Robert loves you more than pop-up trolls
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Hang it up please, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinbar cuts your hand just like a blade
Flay, flay, flay
Spray, spray, spray
Quoted from Mr68:I'm getting sleepy
Wow - I need to stop reading this thread. When CGC releases Cactus Canyon it is just another company releasing a pinball that takes market opportunity away from Deeproot.
RM still has sold out and maybe some second thoughts for a few people who now want GNR but someone always takes their slots for over what they paid.
GNR has huge pre-orders and will be selling that machine for years.
Stern is still selling Avengers and will sell thousands.
I think they could sell RAZA but it’s time to make machines not just talk about them.
Heck CGC is slow and they likely will beat DR out with Cactus Canyon with completed code before DR makes another attempt at a product reveal is my guess.
It took a long time, but I finally caught up to this sh#t show. It's hard to comprehend what is going on until I read the post about all the investing funds DR has. I wonder how many investors have their money in this make work project without knowing. This has all of the appearnce of a shell company.
Quoted from yancy:And here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Mueller loves you more than all his dough
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Bob pays your fees, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinside holds a thread for those who pray
Pay, pay, pay
Wait, wait, wait
So here's to you, Mr. Popadiuk
Robert loves you more than pop-up trolls
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Hang it up please, Mr. Popadiuk
Pinbar cuts your hand just like a blade
Flay, flay, flay
Spray, spray, spray
Quoted from wamonkey:Wow - I need to stop reading this thread. When CGC releases Cactus Canyon it is just another company releasing a pinball that takes market opportunity away from Deeproot
Yet another company(CGC) that was supposed to release a game a while ago and has gone silent with no updates... I thought that they would have revealed before JJP
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