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deeproot Pinball thread


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#1051 10 months ago
Quoted from hank527:

Hey now they are giving me a big FU in that those of us who took Jpop to court got the big FU treatment.

https://zidware.deeproottech.com/settlement-offer-summary

#1052 10 months ago
Quoted from hank527:

Hey now they are giving me a big FU in that those of us who took Jpop to court got the big FU treatment. Then Jpop counter sues because he claims if he had gotten the full money from everyone that he could have made the games. I'm sorry but Im not buying any of this free game crap.

Quoted from frolic:

What an asshole.

I hope some pinball designers (obviously ones not under contract with Deeproot), engineers and service professionals are willing to give expert testimony to make sure that the judge doesn't give his BS the time of day.

The idea that any of those designs were either workable, or even close to his favoured diorama stage (other than Magic Girl) is a joke. A few thousand more wouldn't have changed anything.

#1053 10 months ago
Quoted from Jvspin:

They are offering a game, games or cash to past JPOP customers, depending on the amount given to JPOP.
If anyone is interested in the exact terms Deep Root is offering to past JPOP customers, the information is public. See link below.
https://zidware.deeproottech.com/

JPOP customers or Victims ???

#1054 10 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

JPOP customers or Victims ???

Same thing, isn’t it?

#1055 10 months ago

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

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#1056 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

Kramer : It's just a write off for them .

Jerry : How is it a write off ?

Kramer : They just write it off .

Jerry : Write it off what ?

Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything

Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is .

Kramer : Do you ?

Jerry : No . I don't .

Kramer : But they do and they are the ones writing it off .

#1057 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

#1058 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

It wouldn’t help DR necessarily. I guarantee you investors don’t want a tax write off Odiner

They want to pay a shitload of tax. Means they made a shitload of profit

#1059 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

It wouldn’t help DR necessarily. I guarantee you investors don’t want a tax write off Odiner
They want to pay a shitload of tax. Means they made a shitload of profit

Sure, but when a company throws a shitload of good money after bad and then the vision fails and they decide to cut their losses, at least it becomes beneficial at tax time.

#1060 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

It wouldn’t help DR necessarily. I guarantee you investors don’t want a tax write off Odiner
They want to pay a shitload of tax. Means they made a shitload of profit

Not anymore. MASSIVE TAX CUT baby!!!

#1061 10 months ago

As for the lawyers. I get why some went that direction and I applaud them for standing on principal.

It doesn’t surprise me this is where we are at with Jpop

Counter sue. Drag it out and lawyers win again

Just like all the wasted legal fees DR spent trying to cut a deal

If you chose not to settle then you expect to get your $$ back out of Jpop, not DR after the fact

#1062 10 months ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not anymore. MASSIVE TAX CUT baby!!!

Now you are gettin Levi!

#1063 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

If you chose not to settle then you expect to get your $$ back out of Jpop, not DR after the fact

I expect to see pictures of new pinball machines for sale from new companies on pinball forums. Not this same old song and dance.

#1064 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

Sure, but when a company throws a shitload of good money after bad and then the vision fails and they decide to cut their losses, at least it becomes beneficial at tax time.

What I’m saying is the loss would provide very little to zero benefit to DR and Robert

The shareholders/investors get the benefit of the loss and only at $3k per yr plus offsetting other gains

#1065 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

I expect to see pictures of new pinball machines for sale from new companies on pinball forums. Not this same old song and dance.

I do too. Supposedly that’s coming

#1066 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The shareholders/investors get the benefit of the loss and only at $3k per yr plus offsetting other gains

Better than that final poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

#1067 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

Better than that final poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

I agree with that! Because Jpop already poked one eye out

#1068 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

I agree with that! Because Jpop already poked one eye out

Why am I reminded of Kill Bill just now?

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#1069 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

If nothing else, this could end up being one big tax write off for deeproot.

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.

#1070 10 months ago
Quoted from iceman44:

As for the lawyers. I get why some went that direction and I applaud them for standing on principal.
It doesn’t surprise me this is where we are at with Jpop
Counter sue. Drag it out and lawyers win again
Just like all the wasted legal fees DR spent trying to cut a deal
If you chose not to settle then you expect to get your $$ back out of Jpop, not DR after the fact

You just said what I've been thinking but couldn't verbalise. To be fair though, DRs offer might make a pretty good legal settlement to make this whole ugly ordeal go away...

#1071 10 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.

https://deeprootfunds.com

"The end result defines us: solid alternative investment funds that are designed to keep pace with or outperform traditional investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1072 10 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Awesome link; that supports the Forbes article
Perfectly!

Oh really? Which part? The part where it says, "That Tesla Battery Emissions Study Making the Rounds? It's Bunk." or the part where they say the study has "Just one problem: It's absolute nonsense"?

Back to the topic, I hope they are using P-ROC. Seems like a rather ambitious goal to develop their own software to run what they need. I give them a zero percent chance of being ready by next year unless they're using an already proven software system.

#1073 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

https://deeprootfunds.com
"The end result defines us: solid alternative investment funds that are designed to keep pace with or outperform traditional investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

Unpredictable risk sounds attractive... but in pinball?

#1074 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Unpredictable risk sounds attractive... but in pinball?

With every game you play... just sayin'

#1075 10 months ago

In a nutshell.....

At this point it is not logical to offer a deal to any current or former Plaintiff with this litigation still pending. It is unfortunate that the Plaintiffs chose to reject the settlement and ultimately choose nothing over something.

#1076 10 months ago
Quoted from spfxted:

It is unfortunate that the Plaintiffs chose to reject the settlement and ultimately choose nothing over something.

It might be better if you knew what you were talking about before expressing your opinion.

#1077 10 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

It might be better if you knew what you were talking about before expressing your opinion.

He was quoting from the settlement summary by deeproot.

#1078 10 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.

That’s not even close to being true.

#1079 10 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.

LOL, wut?

#1080 10 months ago
Quoted from Only_Pinball:

He was quoting from the settlement summary by deeproot.

Quotation marks or attribution might help.

#1081 10 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

Quotation marks or attribution might help.

good point!

#1082 10 months ago
Quoted from Mr68:

It might be better if you knew what you were talking about before expressing your opinion.

Curious... facts aside, is he not allowed to have or post an *opinion* that you don’t approve of?

#1083 10 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

Curious... facts aside, is he not allowed to have or post an *opinion* that you don’t approve of?

Its unprofessional of you to try and provoke me, Robert.

#1084 10 months ago

I was actually trying to ask an honest question that always puzzles me about posts on Pinside. My apologies if you felt it was provoking.

#1085 10 months ago

A forum is "a public meeting place for open discussion"

dissenting opinions are allowed in such an environment

#1086 10 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

First you have to make a PROFIT for tax write off.

Reminds me of the underwear gnome episode of South Park...

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#1087 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Unpredictable risk sounds attractive... but in pinball?

"investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

#1088 10 months ago
Quoted from Concretehardt:

Reminds me of the underwear gnome episode of South Park...

Shamelessly stolen from Linux computer forums of the 90s

#1089 10 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Shamelessly stolen from Linux computer forums of the 90s

and later stolen by fark.com

#1090 10 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

"investments without taking on unnecessary, unpredictable risk."

What I meant to imply: pinball is the poster child of unnecessary, unpredictable risk.

#1091 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

What I meant to imply: pinball is the poster child of unnecessary, unpredictable risk.

What I meant to imply: tax write off.

#1092 10 months ago
Quoted from deeproot:

I was actually trying to ask an honest question that always puzzles me about posts on Pinside. My apologies if you felt it was provoking.

I thought it was trying to provoke.

Heighway, Kevin Kulek, Jpop all took money from people and failed to deliver games. They knew exactly what they were doing and still continued along with the big charade. Nuff said.

#1093 10 months ago
Quoted from hank527:

I thought it was trying to provoke.
Heighway, Kevin Kulek, Jpop all took money from people and failed to deliver games. Most knew exactly what they were doing and still continued along. Nuff said.

I’m inferring that you are saying they knew exactly what they were doing in taking people’s money... not in delivering games, because they sure as hell didn’t know what they were doing in terms of getting games delivered...

#1094 10 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

I’m inferring that you are saying they knew exactly what they were doing in taking people’s money... not in delivering games, because they sure as hell didn’t know what they were doing in terms of getting games delivered...

Yes, that is correct. None of those three should ever be able to be associated with pinball again.

#1095 10 months ago
Quoted from hank527:

Yes, that is correct. None of those three should ever be able to be associated with pinball again.

No argument here

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#1096 9 months ago

A brief post and thank you to Robert Mueller of Deeproot for the fantastic interview on the ****** podcast. Very informative on your company and especially acquiring licenses for pinball machines. Looking forward to seeing you and some of your team at the Pinball Expo 2018 in Chicago.

#1097 9 months ago
Quoted from knobstone:

A brief post and thank you to Robert Mueller of Deeproot for the fantastic interview on the ****** podcast. Very informative on your company and especially acquiring licenses for pinball machines. Looking forward to seeing you and some of your team at the Pinball Expo 2018 in Chicago.

agreed.. great interview, robert comes off less gruff and fluff. Early on he seemed to be in attack mode, and "pinball is easy". He clarifies that his goal is to streamline pinball design and manufacturing. His goal isn't to take Stern down, he just wants to build great pinball in the most cost effective way. While it's true Stern has the most experience, in any business that can sometimes be your downfall because many companies continue to work the same way they always have, whereas a new company building from scratch would have a fresh approach.

#1098 9 months ago

Yah one of **** better podcasts. Have to admit the continuous negativity tunes me out. So nice to hear someone actually impressed the guy to slow down the negative train. Had a good laugh in a previous podcast when Joe mentioned he kept increasing the orders on Thunderbirds making him eat crow. Guess ***** doesn't really understand the casual part of this market at all. All he can focus on is the hardcore pinheads. Very narrow vision.

#1099 9 months ago

After listening to the interview, I hope Deeproot does disrupt the market a bit. I am imagining some kind of internet connectivity to these games as being the one way they are going to do it. The other way is automated manufacturing. I think there are ways to cut some labor out of pinball manufacturing with some investment.

#1100 9 months ago

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